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Post by pOkLE on Feb 25, 2015 10:25:41 GMT -6
It's really simple, in blue and white; it's all about the cheer:
j-j-j-e-s-u-u-u-i-t j-e-s-u-i-t, jesuit, hey!
You can't beat it or contain it. Everything flows from this. That is it. You're welcome.
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Post by ltsocceemom on Feb 25, 2015 11:41:43 GMT -6
Go Jays! All the way!
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Post by loJic on Feb 25, 2015 11:50:08 GMT -6
It's not all about wealth.by and large there are other schools in the New Orleans area that have an equal or greater concentration of wealthy parents than Jesuit. Country Day and Newman tuition fees are far greater than Jesuit. If it was all about the wealth and lifestyle of the parents, Country Day would be a more frequent soccer power. But the element they are missing is the biggest of all.Club Players. Why? I couldn't tell you - just the way it is in the current cycle. Lusher boys team (public charter) has more club players than Country Day. We shouldn't over-think this or put Jesuit parents/players on some higher level than the other schools who are producing talented players and Ivy League students. They have great academics at Jesuit, like Franklin, like others.Franklin has multiple female players who have committed to or been offered spots at the Naval Academy, Yale, Penn, Harvard. This issue is simply about a high concentration of club players, a supportive admin, tradition, and a good coach. Don't make it an issue about class or money..it's about year round elite players and sport specialization - many of whom stretch to make the money part work for school and club fees. At the end of the day, players got to play to make it successful. Please don't make me break down each LA Fire roster for the 97/98 boys. You'll see about 85% of the kids attend schools like Jesuit/Bro Martin/Newman. Edit: And these teams are heavily monitored by Jesuit and Bro Martins coaches.
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Post by goat on Feb 25, 2015 13:02:07 GMT -6
Great coach, steady pipeline of talented players, support from parents and school. really guys it's that simple, NUFF SAID!
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Post by playwide on Feb 25, 2015 14:26:32 GMT -6
Let me save you some time:
La Fire Red 97b - u18b 3 time State Champion u14, u15, u17 Regional 3 Central League u15-u18 Region 3 League - u16
Jesuit - 4 players Newman - 3 players Bro Martin - 3 players Lusher - 3 players St Paul - 2 players John Curtis - 1 player
The success of this club team is not wealth generated, trust me. It's hard work and dedication to the sport. The school soccer programs that these families choose benefit from their player's multiple years of 11 month playing cycles.
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Post by loJic on Feb 25, 2015 14:28:58 GMT -6
Let me save you some time: La Fire Red 97b - u18b 3 time State Champion u14, u15, u17 Regional 3 Central League u15-u18 Region 3 League - u16 Jesuit - 4 players Newman - 3 players Bro Martin - 3 players Lusher - 3 players St Paul - 2 players John Curtis - 1 player The success of this club team is not wealth generated, trust me. It's hard work and dedication to the sport. The school soccer programs that these families choose benefit from their player's multiple years of 11 month playing cycles. Might I ask if those players are the best 97's we have in the city?
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Post by playwide on Feb 25, 2015 14:40:11 GMT -6
Best u18b players in the city? That's not for me to judge. I know that these are the best of the players that showed up for tryouts for the team. That's all we can do is choose the right players from the group that shows up.
Their record vs the other teams in region 3 would suggest we have the right group.
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Post by loJic on Feb 25, 2015 14:56:19 GMT -6
Best players in the city? That's not for me to judge. I know that these are the best of the players that showed up for tryouts for the team. That's all we can do is choose the right players from the group that shows up. Their record vs the other teams in region 3 would suggest we have the right group. Tryouts for a team that requires how much to play again?
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Post by playwide on Feb 25, 2015 15:03:25 GMT -6
It depends, some families need tuition scholarships or flexible payment plans and we work very hard to make that happen for those in need.
If there was a player who we knew would be a game changer, we would work to make sure that lack of money did not prevent that kid from playing.
I deal with players every year that need help to play and participate. Money doesn't stop kids with enough ability from playing.
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Post by loJic on Feb 25, 2015 15:23:24 GMT -6
It depends, some families need tuition scholarships or flexible payment plans and we work very hard to make that happen for those in need. If there was a player who we knew would be a game changer, we would work to make sure that lack of money did not prevent that kid from playing. I deal with players every year that need help to play and participate. Money doesn't stop kids with enough ability from playing. *sigh* Jesuit - 4 players Newman - 3 players Bro Martin - 3 players Lusher - 3 players St Paul - 2 players John Curtis - 1 player Which players needed assistance? Minus Lusher, all of these schools are at least $7,500 to go to. Which tells me their parents can support majority of their sporting ventures. I can see the 98 team possibly being in that dilemma with 4 kids being from a Jeff Parish public school. But I doubt it.
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Post by playwide on Feb 25, 2015 15:58:39 GMT -6
Do you think that line of questioning might be a little personal?
The statement is that lack of money doesn't prevent participation.....l believe schools give partial scholarships and set up payment plans as well.
Like saying there are no financially challenged kids at Harvard...ridiculous .
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Post by oranje on Feb 25, 2015 16:04:41 GMT -6
Great coach, steady pipeline of talented players, support from parents and school. really guys it's that simple, NUFF SAID! Agree with Goat - you need an atmosphere and attitude committed to building a perennial successful soccer program. It takes an administration to provide the infrastructure and soccer booster club to provide the ongoing moral and financial support. This is a year-round commitment to excellence. p.s. you don't need many (if any) premier (C1) players to build a successful soccer program. They just need to be your-round players
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 16:29:30 GMT -6
Former Hall of Fame catcher Yogi Berra became manager of the Yankees for a short time in the 80's. A reporter asked him what does it take to be a good major league manager. His response was " good players". That's definitely part of it.
There are lot of really good coaches in this state, but I don't think any of them could turn a freshman class of boys who had never played soccer into title contenders by their senior year. Good? Sure. Title contenders? No.
To compete for titles you need a core group of experienced guys who have been playing all their lives that you can build the rest of the team around. Jesuit and St. Paul's have the luxury of being able to have an entire program with such boys.
Each year I see 20-30 kids just trying out for Catholic's freshmen team, much less the JV or Varsity. Chances are you won't even make the Varsity at Catholic until your junior year unless you're an exceptional player. Jesuit and St. Paul's are the same way.
I can see more public schools like Denham Springs having excellent programs in the future and Coach Thorne has done a great job at revamping that program in the past few years. Denham Springs is a rural area, but most people forget that the high school is one of the largest in the state (wanna say it's top 5 in terms of enrollment) and with little competition I can see it becoming the largest if they choose to keep expanding. The athletic teams are also very well-funded by alumni and Livingston Parish, rivaling any of the rich BR area private schools in that regard. The Livingston Parish club soccer system is growing very rapidly and Denham Springs is really reaping the benefits of it, and they also get some good BRSC players. I don't see their program diminishing anytime soon, and I wouldn't be surprised if they end up winning the BR super district next year with Catholic rebuilding a bit.
Pretty much summed it up except 2 things. 1st- Next year catholic will have 11 seniors that played varsity this year. In adition will have 4 or 5 players from this years JV. Wouldnt call that rebuilding 2nd- Denham Springs' home zone is one of the most populated areas and i would not at all consider that to be "rural".
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Post by chelsea007 on Feb 25, 2015 16:32:25 GMT -6
As the old ball coach Steve Spurrier said...it's about the Jimmies and the Joes not the X's and the O's. As Lojic implied, talent does matter.
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Post by loJic on Feb 25, 2015 16:46:45 GMT -6
Do you think that line of questioning might be a little personal? The statement is that lack of money doesn't prevent participation.l believe schools give partial scholarships and set up payment plans as well. Like saying there are no financially challenged kids at Harvard.ridiculous . Pay to play allows schools like Jesuit and Brother Martin to stay dominant. Just admit it and i'll gladly move on. We can discuss further in detail about this over a drink
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Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 25, 2015 18:19:46 GMT -6
If it's all about the talent and it seems like Jesuit and Brother Martin are equally talented each year (as well as other teams outside NOLA), why then does Jesuit advance so much more frequently? Or are you saying Jesuit wins because talent is not similar at these schools and Jesuit does have a talent advantage?
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Post by goat on Feb 25, 2015 18:54:19 GMT -6
Scott I know I'm the biggest Acadiana homer on this site but really dude you are starting to make me think you are on Jesuits payroll. Did you not read my post?? Great Coach, (been there forever) + a pipeline of talented players + support form parents and school = success. IT AIN"T ROCKET SCIENCE!! so now NUFF SAID!
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Post by loJic on Feb 25, 2015 19:03:31 GMT -6
If it's all about the talent and it seems like Jesuit and Brother Martin are equally talented each year (as well as other teams outside NOLA), why then does Jesuit advance so much more frequently? Or are you saying Jesuit wins because talent is not similar at these schools and Jesuit does have a talent advantage? Support, support, support, support. Jesuit has built a dynasty. It's not just from talented players, but having talented players filter in and out of that school has attributed tremendously to Jesuit's success. Just look at Warren Easton back in the day. The playing field was level back then.
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Post by mswatd on Feb 26, 2015 9:26:54 GMT -6
Let's speak in Lehman's terms: In Baseball, if you live in the Lake Charles area and you want your kid to play for one of the best programs in the nation, you make sure you live inside of Barbe's zone! Soccer, if you live in the NOLA area and want to provide your kid with a solid private school education and want a chance at a title, Jesuit or St Paul's are the options. In both scenarios, imagine having 30 of the most talented athletes in the area who only choose between those schools listed - the talent filters in year after year for education and athletic success. There are scholarships and funding available for these schools provided by Alum and wealthy supporters. This might help to tip the scales in the decision process.
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Post by kevin on Feb 26, 2015 9:57:00 GMT -6
There are scholarships and funding available for these schools provided by Alum and wealthy supporters. This might help to tip the scales in the decision process. There are no scholarships at Jesuit, not even for academics. There is only work-study financial aid for students' whose families qualify.
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