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Post by Rabid Monkey on Mar 17, 2015 7:38:20 GMT -6
I have paid for many tournaments at check in. It depends on the tournament. I suspect that the weather issues this year will make more and more people check cancelation policies for tournaments and they will probably have to adjust. I noticed certain tournaments that were stay and play have dropped that provision for likely the same reason. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537 using proboards You have to pay for this tournament before the tournament weekend or they will not let you play. So I pay you my entry fee and hope you dont cancel the tournament,but if you do I still give you half my money. Wow thats nice! Not! there are many other tournaments out there. We will not be back to this one for sure. Just may have to go out of state next year. Thanks Red Stick Cup! Well if going out of state is your solution, you may wanna avoid these tournaments as well. It happens everywhere so you may wanna stick to league games and friendlies! Perdido Soccer Shootout If weather or the condition of fields makes it impossible to carry out the tournament to its full extent, the tournament director will make the necessary decisions concerning the rearrangement or cancellation of games for any reason. Every effort is made to play all games in their entirety. Fees are non-refundable, if games or the tournament are cancelled for any reason. Jackson Spring Classic Cancellation of tournament play or restructuring of the tournament due to inclement weather will be at the discretion of the Tournament Director. In the case of tournament cancellation, no refunds will be issued. In the case of inclement weather, the Tournament Director/Field Coordinator will determine if a game is to be played. Games shall be considered complete if one half of the game has been played. The score at the stoppage of play will be the final score. If one half of the game has not been played and the game is stopped, the game will be rescheduled if it affects the outcome of the tournament and if weather permits
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Post by jcstewart on Mar 17, 2015 8:11:56 GMT -6
CABOSA has a reasonable policy. Curiosity got the best of me to check since we are entered to play.
Red River Classic
Refunds: ... In case of cancellation of the tournament due to inclement weather prior to Fridays games, 25% of the entry fee will be retained by the Caddo Bossier Soccer Association to cover expenses and start-up costs. No refund will be given once the tournament begins.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Mar 17, 2015 8:40:08 GMT -6
i personally think refunds should be based on number of games a team plays. Maybe 75% if they haven't played any games. 50% if they played one and none if two played. Those percentages could be adjusted so the host doesn't lose money and maybe makes a small profit.
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Post by Antimatter on Mar 17, 2015 11:48:19 GMT -6
I have seen other issues that could affect tournament participation. The entry fees are truly a pittance per player compared to the cost of travel, meals and hotel.
The use of satellite facilities makes some tournament experiences feel more like a friendly. At a recent tournament we attended the entire bracket was played at a 3 field satellite site with portalets and no indication you were playing in a tournament. No concessions, vendors, etc. not even a banner.
At the Perdido Soccer Shootout some of the fields are 30 miles away from each other with some teams splitting games between those fields. While I never regret a whole day on the pitch it does not mean I want to spend a few hours driving between them.
The stay and play at some tournaments has also gotten out of hand. The blocks given can be incongruous. We were offered only Kings with no doubles at a recent tournament while a friends team was able to get just doubles at the same hotel. The rate for the stay and play was also about $32 a night higher than a parent who decided to come late got when he booked through the hotel when they had a cancellation.
One issue that I understand the club does not have complete control over is an out of state tournament where we were put in a 4 team bracket with two teams in our LCSL league. It kind of affects the idea of playing in an out of state tournament to face new competition.
Not that I won't go to these tournaments again or begrudge a clubs need for revenue. I am just noting there are a variety of reasons teams may shy from an event.
As to the refunds if a tournament is completely cancelled, 75% seems like a fair refund amount. I do not mind helping cover pre-tournament costs but do not feel a responsibility to donate to another clubs revenue stream if the tournament is cancelled.
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Post by blaugranas on Mar 17, 2015 12:48:01 GMT -6
From my experience, The biggest cost to hold a tourney is the refs fees. If they all got paid, I am Fine with taking half the entries, however, if they didn't, SHAME ON YOU FOR TRYING TO MAKE A PROFIT WITH NO TOURNEY Agree BAD BUSINESS Didn't have a team scheduled in this tourney, but I have been involved with players and my own kids in multiple tournaments when they eventually had to cancel due to weather etc... I don't know if I would call the policy bad business so much as a pretty standard policy. In nearly every tournament the rules pretty clearly spell out this policy and possibility. I can't imagine a single club in Louisiana (or Mississippi for that matter), who hasn't run into this set of circumstances at one time or another, given the weather during the spring club season. And that's not just the large clubs but the small ones too. It sucks when a cancellation has to happen because it almost always makes it more difficult to get all committed teams to return the next year. I was pretty outraged the first time this happened in a tourney we were in, (and it has happened 3 times now), but it also happened to a tourney that my kid's club was sponsoring, and they had the same policy in place, and truthfully it was a good thing they did.
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Post by p_malinich on Mar 20, 2015 9:50:24 GMT -6
My middle son plays club for a team in PA & we're scheduled to play in a tourney this weekend in Baltimore. Today to welcome in Spring, we are getting 4-6" of snow.
The organizer of the tournament (Elite Tournaments) appears to organize tourneys all around the country (possibly working with local clubs). They've cancelled some brackets at this point & are re-scheduling the more competitive brackets to turf (as they work to eliminate the snow from those fields).
Here is their policy (which feels reasonable without guaranteeing the team anything): "If the event is cancelled in its entirety, meaning no games have kicked off for the event, refunds will be decided by the tournament committee after all tournament expenses have been paid. If the event is cancelled in part, the tournament committee reserves the right to refund teams with a credit towards future events and will be determined after the conclusion of the event."
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Post by used2be on Mar 20, 2015 10:07:49 GMT -6
I believe BRSC has polled Lafayette and New Orleans and from my understanding, all have a consistent policy. BR's past executive director was passing through the area and commented that some tourneys in the Mid Atlantic area have high entry ($1,000) do not provide any refund. Not advocating any specific position, just pointing out some different approaches.
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Post by dme1214 on Mar 22, 2015 0:13:08 GMT -6
Regardless of what some tournaments do, it's seems pretty unfair and low minded to keep everyone's money when the whole tournament is cancelled due to weather. A small percentage 20-25% seems fair. What's next you join a tournament and a particular age bracket doesn't make so they keep your money. Tournament turnout has been getting smaller around the state, maybe this is part of why?
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Mar 23, 2015 12:20:09 GMT -6
Unfortunately these bigger clubs have come so dependent upon this source of income, that they cannot go without having the income.
And while I know it has become a business, last time I checked a business should always have a back-up plan. You don't stretch yourself to the max in order to make ends meet, its bad for future business.
That is why I always told my club, we do not spend any unnecessary funds until AFTER the tournament. And we plan for our tournament NOT TO BE SUCCESSFUL. Once it is successful, they we can chose how to spend such money back onto the kids.
But that is the benefit of being part of a small and local club.
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Post by Antimatter on Mar 23, 2015 17:01:42 GMT -6
Unfortunately these bigger clubs have come so dependent upon this source of income, that they cannot go without having the income.
And while I know it has become a business, last time I checked a business should always have a back-up plan. You don't stretch yourself to the max in order to make ends meet, its bad for future business.
That is why I always told my club, we do not spend any unnecessary funds until AFTER the tournament. And we plan for our tournament NOT TO BE SUCCESSFUL. Once it is successful, they we can chose how to spend such money back onto the kids.
But that is the benefit of being part of a small and local club. You hit the nail on the head. The large clubs just do not get that they are selling a product when they host a tournament. No team enters a tournament to donate money to another club. They want new competition for their team in a tournament environment. A tournament that keeps half or more of a team's entry fee when the tournament is completely cancelled assumes that it is right to just keep all of the money. I understand it is in the tournament literature. It is still a bad move.
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Post by First Touch on Mar 24, 2015 7:35:51 GMT -6
Only way to fix it is to boycott any tournament brsc puts on, or pay when u show up, I say charge.$ 50 registration fee non refundable, pay rest prior to drAw if entire tourney cancelled refund everyone except registration fee of 50
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Post by laffysoccermom on Mar 24, 2015 8:34:00 GMT -6
Actually probably need to read any cancelation policies online before registering. Weather hasn't been too friendly lately.
If you don't like the policy, don't register. If you don't register because of it, maybe drop tournament director a note telling them why.
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Post by Rabid Monkey on Mar 24, 2015 8:40:13 GMT -6
Actually probably need to read any cancelation policies online before registering. Weather hasn't been too friendly lately. If you don't like the policy, don't register. If you don't register because of it, maybe drop tournament director a note telling them why. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537 using proboards Very well said!
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Post by time2retire on Oct 6, 2015 5:38:36 GMT -6
Just curious, did any of the clubs that were not happy send teams to United Cup?
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Post by tonygalinto on Oct 15, 2015 20:23:07 GMT -6
If any stayed away you certainly couldn't tell it, the tournament had more teams in the tournament than last year. Didn't have enough referees to have more teams.
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