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Post by time2retire on Jan 31, 2018 9:06:42 GMT -6
These are the 170 red cards that were reported this year:
Serious Foul Play - 8
Violent Conduct (non fighting) - 5
Violent Conduct (fighting) - 34
Abusive Language or Gesture - 54
Taunting - 3
Denying Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity by Foul - 13
Denying Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity by Handling - 5
Two Cautions - 48
Varsity games - 166
JV games - 4
Players - 158
Coaches - 12
Players sitting on two red cards - 3
Coaches sitting on two red cards - 2
SFP and T are consistent with last year
VC has dropped overall, and most fighting incidents had 2-3 from the same game
AL has doubled
2CT has had a marked increase
DGH has gone down by half
DGF increased a little
I have further breakdowns and data if anyone is interested
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Post by time2retire on Jan 31, 2018 9:10:58 GMT -6
2015-16: 104
2016-17: 154
2017-18: 170
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Post by retired_thibodaux_coach on Jan 31, 2018 9:34:41 GMT -6
since you mentioned you have more data...
What association gave out the most red cards? which one had the most given out for abusive language/gestures?
What division had the most players red carded?
What division had the most coaches red carded?
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Post by wildcatsoccer on Jan 31, 2018 10:32:13 GMT -6
Had a player get a RED for saying BS. Not yelling just said it. Had the same CR 2 more games and never even verbally cautioned any other player/coach for language. F-bomb and others. I agree the language needs to be dealt with but there has to be consistency.
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Post by time2retire on Jan 31, 2018 11:06:21 GMT -6
since you mentioned you have more data. What association gave out the most red cards? which one had the most given out for abusive language/gestures? What division had the most players red carded? What division had the most coaches red carded? It is somewhat unfair to look at the "most" because the biggest area will always have a greater chance of a higher raw number. And in this case that holds true, New Orleans had 30 overall, and 11 for abusive language/gestures. But distribution across the board appears normal for the number of schools each area serves. As far as division with the most players - that would take a long time to go through. But it can be done. Coaches - 7 from D1, 4 from D2, and 1 from D4. Some are on their 2nd red though. |
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Post by retired_thibodaux_coach on Jan 31, 2018 11:18:16 GMT -6
Had a player get a RED for saying BS. Not yelling just said it. Had the same CR 2 more games and never even verbally cautioned any other player/coach for language. F-bomb and others. I agree the language needs to be dealt with but there has to be consistency. I have had the same issue here too Coach- with players and coaches using inappropriate language to both officials and other players. Majority of the time it is not even addressed more or less cautioned or red carded. |
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Post by retired_thibodaux_coach on Jan 31, 2018 11:20:12 GMT -6
since you mentioned you have more data. What association gave out the most red cards? which one had the most given out for abusive language/gestures? What division had the most players red carded? What division had the most coaches red carded? It is somewhat unfair to look at the "most" because the biggest area will always have a greater chance of a higher raw number. And in this case that holds true, New Orleans had 30 overall, and 11 for abusive language/gestures. But distribution across the board appears normal for the number of schools each area serves. As far as division with the most players - that would take a long time to go through. But it can be done. Coaches - 7 from D1, 4 from D2, and 1 from D4. Some are on their 2nd red though. Fair enough- I was just curious. I would be really interested to see the numbers for players per division. Thanks for taking the time to do the stats- much appreciated. |
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Post by time2retire on Jan 31, 2018 11:51:53 GMT -6
Had a player get a RED for saying BS. Not yelling just said it. Had the same CR 2 more games and never even verbally cautioned any other player/coach for language. F-bomb and others. I agree the language needs to be dealt with but there has to be consistency. I had this conversation last night with someone. Because "opinion of the referee" can vary so greatly, to expect so many to have the exact same discretion is unrealistic. Individual consistency is a fair expectation. |
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Post by laffysoccermom on Jan 31, 2018 12:20:20 GMT -6
Same game-
Coach A upset over a call goes onto field and is literally in the refs face. Couldn’t hear words from stands but his face was red so I’m pretty certain they were heated. Was on the field at least 3-4 minutes. No card given
Coach B asks ref from sidelines at play stoppage to watch player #whatever as he was fouling off the ball. Not sure if exact wording but I was told there was no cursing from several players. Coach B was told if he heard anything else, it would be a card.
Again, I understand that some refs may overlook things because it’s not as big of a deal to them as it is to other refs. I can even understand maybe a ref having a bad day outside and something hitting him wrong. They are human.
However this was same game. I think it may have been reported but can’t apeak to that. It was a couple of years back.
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