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Post by loJic on Jan 11, 2019 21:10:28 GMT -6
So do you receive a yellow in high school for standing in front of ball for opposing team free kick? Because my kids have gotten yellows for that this year yet I just watched St Amant player do it and not only did ref not give him a yellow he awarded St Amant a free kick after EA player kicked it and hit St Amant player who was 2 yards away.
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Post by straightred on Jan 11, 2019 21:17:51 GMT -6
So do you receive a yellow in high school for standing in front of ball for opposing team free kick? Because my kids have gotten yellows for that this year yet I just watched St Amant player do it and not only did ref not give him a yellow he awarded St Amant a free kick after EA player kicked it and hit St Amant player who was 2 yards away. It’s a mystery to me. I’ve seen it called plenty of times, ref tonight has allowed players to delay restarts repeatedly, natably #5 for StA. Either the rule has changed or this ref is clueless. |
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Post by E.B.I.A.F.C on Jan 11, 2019 21:51:47 GMT -6
So do you receive a yellow in high school for standing in front of ball for opposing team free kick? Because my kids have gotten yellows for that this year yet I just watched St Amant player do it and not only did ref not give him a yellow he awarded St Amant a free kick after EA player kicked it and hit St Amant player who was 2 yards away. I have been told before that the player taking the free kick must ask for the 10 yards and if he doesn’t ask the opposing team can do that. Not sure if it applies to high school and I thought it was a BS explanation anyway but maybe that’s what happened? I found that whole sequence strange, how did st. Amant even get awarded a free kick? |
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Post by loJic on Jan 14, 2019 17:54:21 GMT -6
I would really like to know this rule because we've received multiple yellow cards for this. I didn't know this was a high school rule so in the beginning of season I was instructing my kids to stand in front of the ball until they ask for 10.
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Post by cardsinhand on Jan 14, 2019 17:57:21 GMT -6
From an older copy of the NFHS Rule book (but this hasn't changed) and IFAB.
No one has to ask, opponents are required to give 10 yds. If the attacking team chooses to play the ball before the opponents give the 10 yds they may do so, but the opponents may not interfere.
NFHS
ART. 1 .. . Players opposing the kicker shall be at least 10 yards from the ball until it is kicked, unless they are standing on their own goal line between the goal posts. If the free kick is awarded to the defending team in its penalty area, players opposing the kicker shall be outside the penalty area at least 10 yards from the ball and must remain there until the ball clears the penalty area.
PENALTY: An official shall caution a player who fails to move the required distance away from the ball or engages in time-wasting tactics such as kicking or carrying the ball away after a free kick has been awarded to the opponent's team.
IFAB
All free kicks are taken from the place where the offence occurred, except:
indirect free kicks to the attacking team for an offence inside the opponents’ goal area are taken from the nearest point on the goal area line which runs parallel to the goal line
free kicks to the defending team in their goal area may be taken from anywhere in that area
free kicks for offences involving a player entering, re-entering or leaving the field of play without permission are taken from the position of the ball when play was stopped. However, if a player leaves the field of play as part of play and commits an offence against another player, play is restarted with a free kick taken on the boundary line nearest to where the offence occurred; for direct free kick offences a penalty kick is awarded if this is within the offender’s penalty area
the Law designates another position (see Laws 3, 11, 12)
The ball:
must be stationary and the kicker must not touch the ball again until it has touched another player
is in play when it is kicked and clearly moves except for a free kick to the defending team in their penalty area where the ball is in play when it is kicked directly out of the penalty area
Until the ball is in play all opponents must remain:
at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball, unless they are on their own goal line between the goalposts
outside the penalty area for free kicks inside the opponents’ penalty area
A free kick can be taken by lifting the ball with a foot or both feet simultaneously.
Feinting to take a free kick to confuse opponents is permitted as part of football.
If a player, while correctly taking a free kick, intentionally kicks the ball at an opponent in order to play the ball again but not in a careless or reckless manner or using excessive force, the referee allows play to continue.
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Post by balotellitoagueroooo on Jan 14, 2019 23:38:42 GMT -6
From an older copy of the NFHS Rule book (but this hasn't changed) and IFAB. No one has to ask, opponents are required to give 10 yds. If the attacking team chooses to play the ball before the opponents give the 10 yds they may do so, but the opponents may not interfere. NFHSART. 1 .. . Players opposing the kicker shall be at least 10 yards from the ball until it is kicked, unless they are standing on their own goal line between the goal posts. If the free kick is awarded to the defending team in its penalty area, players opposing the kicker shall be outside the penalty area at least 10 yards from the ball and must remain there until the ball clears the penalty area. PENALTY: An official shall caution a player who fails to move the required distance away from the ball or engages in time-wasting tactics such as kicking or carrying the ball away after a free kick has been awarded to the opponent's team. IFABAll free kicks are taken from the place where the offence occurred, except: indirect free kicks to the attacking team for an offence inside the opponents’ goal area are taken from the nearest point on the goal area line which runs parallel to the goal line free kicks to the defending team in their goal area may be taken from anywhere in that area free kicks for offences involving a player entering, re-entering or leaving the field of play without permission are taken from the position of the ball when play was stopped. However, if a player leaves the field of play as part of play and commits an offence against another player, play is restarted with a free kick taken on the boundary line nearest to where the offence occurred; for direct free kick offences a penalty kick is awarded if this is within the offender’s penalty area the Law designates another position (see Laws 3, 11, 12) The ball: must be stationary and the kicker must not touch the ball again until it has touched another player is in play when it is kicked and clearly moves except for a free kick to the defending team in their penalty area where the ball is in play when it is kicked directly out of the penalty area Until the ball is in play all opponents must remain:
at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball, unless they are on their own goal line between the goalposts outside the penalty area for free kicks inside the opponents’ penalty area A free kick can be taken by lifting the ball with a foot or both feet simultaneously. Feinting to take a free kick to confuse opponents is permitted as part of football. If a player, while correctly taking a free kick, intentionally kicks the ball at an opponent in order to play the ball again but not in a careless or reckless manner or using excessive force, the referee allows play to continue. I've seen this called 0 times this year. Ridiculous. |
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Post by E.B.I.A.F.C on Jan 15, 2019 10:28:37 GMT -6
“If a player, while correctly taking a free kick, intentionally kicks the ball at an opponent in order to play the ball again but not in a careless or reckless manner or using excessive force, the referee allows play to continue”
This is what happened in the St. Amant game and what we see so often, I’ve even told my players to do it but apparently it’s against the rules? If a player intentionally kicks the ball at an opposing team player that isn’t 10yards away from the ball the ref will allow play to continue.
It’s kind of an unwritten rule of soccer though, if a player on the team wants to stand over the ball you kick him with it lol
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Post by cardsinhand on Jan 15, 2019 11:21:44 GMT -6
“If a player, while correctly taking a free kick, intentionally kicks the ball at an opponent in order to play the ball again but not in a careless or reckless manner or using excessive force, the referee allows play to continue” This is what happened in the St. Amant game and what we see so often, I’ve even told my players to do it but apparently it’s against the rules? If a player intentionally kicks the ball at an opposing team player that isn’t 10yards away from the ball the ref will allow play to continue. It’s kind of an unwritten rule of soccer though, if a player on the team wants to stand over the ball you kick him with it lol I don't think you are talking about the same thing. What they are talking about is similar to taking a throw in and bouncing it off an opponent so you can now play the ball. In other words kick the ball to bounce off their leg so you can now dribble the ball. It is a way to get around the two touch violation. With what you are teaching them you are trying to get the other person in trouble. If the opponent is retreating and you kick the ball and they don't lung at it or make an attempt to stop you, to me it is simply a bad decision or bad pass. If it is done with intent to hit them in a reckless manner, it will warrant a caution. Please, simply teach them to walk by and slowly retreat. Don't run up to it, stop, and stand like a statue. In my game, you will get a warning the first time it is done and a conversation the next time. The conversation will go something like this: "I know that coach is teaching you to do this but it is not allowed. So, please make sure you thank him for this caution you are receiving." Then card in hand, will go in air. |
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Post by E.B.I.A.F.C on Jan 15, 2019 12:39:16 GMT -6
“If a player, while correctly taking a free kick, intentionally kicks the ball at an opponent in order to play the ball again but not in a careless or reckless manner or using excessive force, the referee allows play to continue” This is what happened in the St. Amant game and what we see so often, I’ve even told my players to do it but apparently it’s against the rules? If a player intentionally kicks the ball at an opposing team player that isn’t 10yards away from the ball the ref will allow play to continue. It’s kind of an unwritten rule of soccer though, if a player on the team wants to stand over the ball you kick him with it lol I don't think you are talking about the same thing. What they are talking about is similar to taking a throw in and bouncing it off an opponent so you can now play the ball. In other words kick the ball to bounce off their leg so you can now dribble the ball. It is a way to get around the two touch violation. With what you are teaching them you are trying to get the other person in trouble. If the opponent is retreating and you kick the ball and they don't lung at it or make an attempt to stop you, to me it is simply a bad decision or bad pass. If it is done with intent to hit them in a careless manner, it will warrant a caution. Please, simply teach them to walk by and slowly retreat. Don't run up to it, stop, and stand like a statue. In my game, you will get a warning the first time it is done and a conversation the next time. The conversation will go something like this: "I know that coach is teaching you to do this but it is not allowed. So, please make sure you thank him for this caution you are receiving." Then card in hand, will go in air. In the St. Amant game this thread stemmed from, the player was doing like you said, walking back retreating in front of the ball when the EA player kicked it at him. The ball then bounced off the set. Amant player and actually hit the EA players hand resulting in the ref giving St. Amant a free kick. So you’re saying the ref made the right decision and you would have made the same call? I’m sure you see this all the time as a referee- the opposing team tries to stand in front of the ball to slow down a free kick and the player taking the free kick kicking that guy with the ball. So you’re saying if the opposing team standing in front of the ball doesn’t retreat and tries to stop the play- he can get kicked with the ball and Receive a card..... but if he’s slowly retreating away the ball and the free kick taker intentionally hits him then the free kick taker is awarded a yellow? By your explanation it seems like slowly walking in front of free kick is allowable and an effective way to slow down a free kick? |
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Post by E.B.I.A.F.C on Jan 15, 2019 12:44:59 GMT -6
Also please don’t take what I just wrote above as anything other than me trying to understand and learn from a referee. I don’t want to be teaching my kids the wrong thing— I was always taught that way and taught my kids that. I’m as much a student as I am a coach of this game
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Post by cardsinhand on Jan 15, 2019 12:55:43 GMT -6
In the St. Amant game this thread stemmed from, the player was doing like you said, walking back retreating in front of the ball when the EA player kicked it at him. The ball then bounced off the set. Amant player and actually hit the EA players hand resulting in the ref giving St. Amant a free kick. So you’re saying the ref made the right decision and you would have made the same call? I cannot give my opinion on this with out seeing it.I’m sure you see this all the time as a referee- the opposing team tries to stand in front of the ball to slow down a free kick and the player taking the free kick kicking that guy with the ball. So you’re saying if the opposing team standing in front of the ball doesn’t retreat and tries to stop the play- he can get kicked with the ball and Receive a card..... but if he’s slowly retreating away the ball and the free kick taker intentionally hits him then the free kick taker is awarded a yellow? He cannot kick it at him to get him out of the way. When making a decision, I will ask the question, "Is it a cheeky move to get position and dribble the ball or is it hit with malice that will upset, offend, or injure the opponent?"By your explanation it seems like slowly walking in front of free kick is allowable and an effective way to slow down a free kick? Yes, to an extent. This is where referee management will come into play. If you can see this is a clear tactic that is being done every single time, address it and stop it. If it is not posing an issue in the game or preventing the games flow leave it alone.
How about this example. You are in your car behind another at a red light. The light turns green.
Situation 1. Car in front doesn't move. You get upset, yell, honk the horn, but you don't just ram into them. If you do, who will get the ticket?
Situation 2. Car in front move forward slowly. They are doing what they are supposed to do. So you wait or simply go around them. Once again if you hit them. Who will get the ticket? |
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Post by cardsinhand on Jan 15, 2019 13:02:48 GMT -6
Also please don’t take what I just wrote above as anything other than me trying to understand and learn from a referee. I don’t want to be teaching my kids the wrong thing— I was always taught that way and taught my kids that. I’m as much a student as I am a coach of this game Very much appreciated. I have considered teaching classes to coaches, after my referee career is over, on what they can and cannot get away with on the field. This is also a good reason to have both players and coaches take the referee class, they will have a better understanding of what is and is not legal. All that being said there are still referees out there who have a better understanding of this than others. Just like there are some doctors, lawyers, and teachers that have a better understanding of their jobs than others in their profession. |
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