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Post by gallstar on Feb 19, 2019 7:51:34 GMT -6
I guess Waraz has been super busy but it hit me this morning. We haven’t a single championship poll up! Yikes! Now it’s time for the two heavy weights to square off and settle this thing. I’ve seen them both play and it’s without question the two best teams and programs getting it on! Good luck and may each participant play their personal best and complete the contest injury free all while glorifying his name.
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Post by obi1kenobi on Feb 19, 2019 10:21:35 GMT -6
St Paul’s 3-1
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Post by vistajay on Feb 19, 2019 10:29:20 GMT -6
The teams played to a 0-0 tie at the beginning of the season. I think it's going to be another game where goals are hard to come by, and that Jesuit is going to get one late to win 1-0.
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Post by gallstar on Feb 21, 2019 1:22:00 GMT -6
This game might take us back to the days of a match deciding who gets to rule the country. War on!
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Post by justmy2cents on Feb 21, 2019 2:18:30 GMT -6
What is really ashamed is that the LHSAA continues to punish the public schools that are bound by their districts but allow the private and catholic schools to form super teams driven by their over zealous parents and recruit from all over the state. If the shoe was on the other foot you would be going nuts. One day the people in charge will wake up and come to their senses and put a stop to this like they did with the other sports. At that time half of your kids will be playing in public schools because most of them choose their school because they had winning soccer programs.
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Post by sweepe on Feb 21, 2019 6:49:24 GMT -6
Wow.. for someone to post their boldface diatribe in the middle of the night is kind of interesting in a disturbing kind of way.
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Post by gallstar on Feb 21, 2019 7:24:31 GMT -6
And now back to the championship game. I believe Laffy, Dutchtown, Northshore and St. Amant all had a shot this year. They each loss by 1 goal to the eventual champs. My son loved battling St. Paul and hopes to go at them again next year. Get out of here with the split garbage.
St. Paul and Jesuit I’m super excited about and for $10 on Saturday you get three games. Let’s fill it up and best of luck to all.
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Post by gallstar on Feb 21, 2019 9:45:09 GMT -6
I think we need cheerleaders and band at Soccer games. This would add a great deal to the game. Just a thought but I’m going to try and get it going at St. Amant. Possibly yell leaders like at AM. Party more.
My favorite cheer of all time in the video.
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Post by AgSurfer on Feb 21, 2019 9:47:35 GMT -6
What is really ashamed is that the LHSAA continues to punish the public schools that are bound by their districts but allow the private and catholic schools to form super teams driven by their over zealous parents and recruit from all over the state. If the shoe was on the other foot you would be going nuts. One day the people in charge will wake up and come to their senses and put a stop to this like they did with the other sports. At that time half of your kids will be playing in public schools because most of them choose their school because they had winning soccer programs. All of this and 50 cents will get you nothing. Just an opinion based on I don't know what. If you knew anything about Louisiana high school soccer, you would know from the 70's to the early 2000's private schools were not the perennial powerhouse schools. There were a smattering of championships, but public schools ruled. Where was the push to split back then? As long as public schools are the dominant factor, it must not be a problem. Talk about a myopic view. Yes, it has been since 2006 since Carencro won and 2008 since Caddo Magnet won. It is not like they have't had their chances, many of those years there was a public school in the championship game. So in reality, it is not about the kids, it is about the championships won.
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Post by JoshuaC on Feb 21, 2019 10:48:55 GMT -6
This notion that private schools recruit kids all over the state is a bit absurd. Every kid that goes to jesuit, St. Paul’s, brother Martin, Newman, etc is from the local area. They aren’t shipping kids in from around the state and country. If children want to play at a premier program with top quality coaches from the local premier club then that’s there’s and their parents decision. It is a very reasonable decision as well! If I had a son and wanted him to be a great soccer player then you best believe it I’m gonna pick a school that has a great program and great academics but academics firstly. Believe it or not 95% of the time the parents choose these schools based on academics and they just so happen to have incredible soccer programs.
There’s no telling a child in 8th grade is going to be an incredible player but you can tell he will get a great education from some of these schools and not so much from others.
But in regards to the game, 2-1 St Paul’s!
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Post by loJic on Feb 21, 2019 11:04:41 GMT -6
This notion that private schools recruit kids all over the state is a bit absurd. Every kid that goes to jesuit, St. Paul’s, brother Martin, Newman, etc is from the local area. They aren’t shipping kids in from around the state and country. If children want to play at a premier program with top quality coaches from the local premier club then that’s there’s and their parents decision. It is a very reasonable decision as well! If I had a son and wanted him to be a great soccer player then you best believe it I’m gonna pick a school that has a great program and great academics but academics firstly. Believe it or not 95% of the time the parents choose these schools based on academics and they just so happen to have incredible soccer programs. There’s no telling a child in 8th grade is going to be an incredible player but you can tell he will get a great education from some of these schools and not so much from others. But in regards to the game, 2-1 St Paul’s! From all outside of their metro areas, yes it’s absurd. But recruiting is alive and well in those schools.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Feb 21, 2019 11:17:34 GMT -6
Name any other sports organization or league where 2/3 of the teams have different set of rules than 1/3 on how they can get players, or get this Players eligible... and how that drastically makes up the roster talent difference for those schools and that league. In no other sports organization is that happening... not even NCAA. Think about that...
It’s not about anything other than the same level playing field and ability to get players the same way. That’s the issue and the rules have gone more the other way over the past 5 years and hurt true zone public schools even more. Anyone who knows the handbook and eligibility rules knows what I’m talking about. I think those changes were done with the split schools sports in mind so soccer is 100% more affected than others over the past 4-5 years.
Sorry, it’s not just a matter of choice. Even necessity at times hurts the public schools when it comes to getting kids. If the beginning rules on how you can get players and get them eligible are not equally exact for everyone... the disparity will only get worse. That’s the main idea, is to let schools who do have the same level playing field in regards to getting those kids, compete against those same schools for the championships. That likeness and grouping is more accurate than grouping by enrollment.
It’s ok to disagree with opinions and all, keep it civil. But it is the undeniable facts I just laid out that are the real reasons for a split, or grouping the teams by a different standard then enrollment.
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Post by JoshuaC on Feb 21, 2019 11:34:51 GMT -6
Both are equally fair opinions. I just suppose I don't necessarily see nor understand the full aspect of recruiting in the New Orleans Area because our program usually just works with what we've got. Even then, in my own opinion, I think if you work hard enough you can beat anybody on any given day.
"Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard".
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Post by uhscubs1 on Feb 21, 2019 11:41:38 GMT -6
I would think it is a safe bet that no one in the BR area is recruiting for soccer. If they are I do not know about it and no one I know is talking about it.
We were fortunate to get our kids into University and to be honest our effort to get them in there was mostly based on price and academics.. Athletics had nothing to do with it.
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Post by loJic on Feb 21, 2019 12:20:14 GMT -6
Both are equally fair opinions. I just suppose I don't necessarily see nor understand the full aspect of recruiting in the New Orleans Area because our program usually just works with what we've got. Even then, in my own opinion, I think if you work hard enough you can beat anybody on any given day. "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard". Both of my freshman studs are being heavily recruited as we speak. Trust me, it's alive and well in New Orleans. Edit: An 8th grader who attends our feeder school is also being heavily recruited.
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Post by vistajay on Feb 21, 2019 12:20:46 GMT -6
There's some soccer recruiting going on in NOLA, but in my opinion it's not significant. I can think of one player at one school (not Jesuit) whose parent bragged to me about being recruited there for soccer, and that was probably exaggeration. The issue in New Orleans is you don't traditionally have public schools that are strong enough academically to compete with a school like Jesuit for the kids who play club soccer, with the exception of Ben Franklin and more recently Haynes Academy. And even Franklin and Haynes are magnet schools who can pull from their entire parishes.
The original idea of splitting select and nonselect was that, eventually, the kids going (or being recruited to) Curtis and Evangel and similar schools were going to go to publics instead, as Curtis and Evangel either got beat by larger schools or lesser competition took the shine off their programs. Not sure that has happened, though neither is the powerhouse they once were. How about public schools just do a better job of attracting kids to their schools by improving their academics and athletic programs instead of trying to legislate equality? Sure, there are always some who may choose a private school for religious purposes, but I suspect the vast majority of private school parents in most areas would love to send their kid to a "free" public in their neighborhood rather than pay upwards of $10,000 a year and cart them across town to a private.
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Post by sonics3 on Feb 21, 2019 12:45:11 GMT -6
There's some soccer recruiting going on in NOLA, but in my opinion it's not significant. I can think of one player at one school (not Jesuit) whose parent bragged to me about being recruited there for soccer, and that was probably exaggeration. The issue in New Orleans is you don't traditionally have public schools that are strong enough academically to compete with a school like Jesuit for the kids who play club soccer, with the exception of Ben Franklin and more recently Haynes Academy. And even Franklin and Haynes are magnet schools who can pull from their entire parishes. The original idea of splitting select and nonselect was that, eventually, the kids going (or being recruited to) Curtis and Evangel and similar schools were going to go to publics instead, as Curtis and Evangel either got beat by larger schools or lesser competition took the shine off their programs. Not sure that has happened, though neither is the powerhouse they once were. How about public schools just do a better job of attracting kids to their schools by improving their academics and athletic programs instead of trying to legislate equality? Sure, there are always some who may choose a private school for religious purposes, but I suspect the vast majority of private school parents in most areas would love to send their kid to a "free" public in their neighborhood rather than pay upwards of $10,000 a year and cart them across town to a private. Even recruiting that is deemed insignificant is still recruiting and against the rules...... how on earth do you justify that is ok?
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Post by vistajay on Feb 21, 2019 12:50:16 GMT -6
There's some soccer recruiting going on in NOLA, but in my opinion it's not significant. I can think of one player at one school (not Jesuit) whose parent bragged to me about being recruited there for soccer, and that was probably exaggeration. The issue in New Orleans is you don't traditionally have public schools that are strong enough academically to compete with a school like Jesuit for the kids who play club soccer, with the exception of Ben Franklin and more recently Haynes Academy. And even Franklin and Haynes are magnet schools who can pull from their entire parishes. The original idea of splitting select and nonselect was that, eventually, the kids going (or being recruited to) Curtis and Evangel and similar schools were going to go to publics instead, as Curtis and Evangel either got beat by larger schools or lesser competition took the shine off their programs. Not sure that has happened, though neither is the powerhouse they once were. How about public schools just do a better job of attracting kids to their schools by improving their academics and athletic programs instead of trying to legislate equality? Sure, there are always some who may choose a private school for religious purposes, but I suspect the vast majority of private school parents in most areas would love to send their kid to a "free" public in their neighborhood rather than pay upwards of $10,000 a year and cart them across town to a private. Even recruiting that is deemed insignificant is still recruiting and against the rules...... how on earth do you justify that is ok? I am not justifying it. I am making the point that with 3 kids of my own (2 who went to private, and one public), over 15 years as a youth soccer coach and parent, growing up in NOLA and having played HS sports in NOLA myself, I've only run into one situation where someone told me they were recruited. I just don't think it happens very often with soccer.
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Post by sonics3 on Feb 21, 2019 12:55:29 GMT -6
Name any other sports organization or league where 2/3 of the teams have different set of rules than 1/3 on how they can get players, or get this Players eligible... and how that drastically makes up the roster talent difference for those schools and that league. In no other sports organization is that happening... not even NCAA. Think about that... It’s not about anything other than the same level playing field and ability to get players the same way. That’s the issue and the rules have gone more the other way over the past 5 years and hurt true zone public schools even more. Anyone who knows the handbook and eligibility rules knows what I’m talking about. I think those changes were done with the split schools sports in mind so soccer is 100% more affected than others over the past 4-5 years. Sorry, it’s not just a matter of choice. Even necessity at times hurts the public schools when it comes to getting kids. If the beginning rules on how you can get players and get them eligible are not equally exact for everyone... the disparity will only get worse. That’s the main idea, is to let schools who do have the same level playing field in regards to getting those kids, compete against those same schools for the championships. That likeness and grouping is more accurate than grouping by enrollment. It’s ok to disagree with opinions and all, keep it civil. But it is the undeniable facts I just laid out that are the real reasons for a split, or grouping the teams by a different standard then enrollment. You are spot on coach. This is the main reason why I have come to believe that a split is what is best. People can boast all they want to how much they enjoy competing against St Paul’s and Jesuit and they would not want to win a championship unless they can beat the powerhouses they are. Personally, I’m tired of the St. Paul’s/Jesuit dominance as people were tired of the Curtis/Evangel dominance. The playing field is not level. Plain and simple. Compare Northshore and Jesuit. Northshore’s enrollment this year is about 1650. 49 percent male. So approximately 800 potential athletes. Jesuit enrollment according to google is about 1370. While NHS is a large school, the amount of potential players out numbers NHS by over 500. Jesuit dressed over 40 players for that semi final match. Northshore doesn’t have 40 players in the entire men’s program. Jesuit had the depth to sub as needed. NHS has 11-12 players who can compete at that level. NHS draws its students from an attendance zone. Jesuit, from wherever they want. It’s not about everyone getting a trophy. Play by the same rules. Is that too much to ask?
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Post by upper90 on Feb 21, 2019 13:33:57 GMT -6
When you guys say recruiting, are you insinuating that special privileges are being offered to the student-athlete, or is it just a "Hey John, come play at my school. You'd be a good fit. Blah blah blah"?
I HIGHLY doubt that coaches and schools are pulling strings for high school soccer players. Just my opinion.
I can understand the frustration of public schools. I went to a public school. I coached at the same public school. I never wanted a split (just me personally). I wanted to play/coach against the best teams, even it was "unfair".
And now I'm on the flip side of that. Technically, Lusher is a "select" school, because we have admissions requirements. Trust me; NOBODY is coming to Lusher JUST to play soccer. 95% of the players in my player pool live within a mile or two of our school. The other 5% have other circumstances about why they chose to come to Lusher.
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On another point, suggesting that because Jesuit has 40 players dressed and Northshore has 18 is the reason why Jesuit won is asenine. I carried 21 on my roster for most of the season, and even bumped it to 25 later in the season to reward some of our JV guys. Even playing against inferior teams, I STRUGGLED with getting the majority of my players meaningful minutes. In a typical game, I usually was able to play 17 guys, and those weren't the same 17 guys everytime. Every one of my bench players was capable of getting substantial minutes, but it just isn't feasible to think you can consistently get 18+ guys solid minutes in a game without effecting the flow of the game.
The DI semi-finals had 2 public schools, and both lost by 1 goal. The DII semi-finals had 3 public schools, with 1 in the final. The DIII and DIV semi-finals didn't have any public schools, but Louisiana has yet to field a consistently competitive small public school. Those are much harder to come by.
With that, all that I'm saying is that public schools are getting their chance. It's not like every public school is getting knocked out in the 1st or 2nd round and getting trounced when they play. They're competitive, but are lacking that final win.
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