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Post by uhscubs1 on Dec 9, 2019 5:50:10 GMT -6
Curious how Terrebonne came out the winner of Gray Division Group "H" with 4 points to 7 points for Episcopal BR?
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Post by gallstar on Dec 9, 2019 7:06:23 GMT -6
I think St. Amant’s starters logged more minutes over the past two weekends in Pineville and Lafayette than the Amazon drivers will at Christmas time. We’ve almost got enough players to go twice a week but 6 games in 7 days is intense. That said; we enjoyed the tournaments and if we can get our injured players back healthy I think the tournaments will prove a huge benefit to our physical condition and mental fortitude.
The Beau Chene coach and his staff did a superb job of hosting this tournament. My only coaching moment would be to have Billy’s Boudin in the Concession stand next year and have me there to post results as they come in. An interview with the losing coach where I get his or her real thoughts on the situation.
The strangest thing I saw all weekend was Moser in Khaki pants. He gave me a quick excuse about coming straight from work. I personally thought he had checked out Gallstar a few weeks earlier and decided he like the professional look of the Gator broadcast. I may be reading to much into this but I doubt it.
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Post by ReignMan on Dec 9, 2019 7:10:35 GMT -6
Curious how Terrebonne came out the winner of Gray Division Group "H" with 4 points to 7 points for Episcopal BR? From what I understand Episcopal Br won the bracket but did not want to play in the grey division finals. So Terrebonne played the final against Vandy.
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Post by gallstar on Dec 9, 2019 7:13:07 GMT -6
The difference between playing 3 games at Copa (180 minutes) and regular games on back to back nights (160 minutes) is less than 1/2 of a JV game. That’s some very good mathematics right there. You’re starting to fire me up for some analytical analysis of 180 vs 160. We would have to also consider those that did 240. Probability of being very tired vs Super tired vs dawg stuff tired.
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Post by parttimecoach on Dec 9, 2019 8:25:56 GMT -6
Copa tourney Holy Cross 3 Parkview 1 Holy Cross 6 St Thomas Aquanis 0 Final Holy Cross 2 Catholic NI 1 and
Holy Cross 0 E. D. White 1
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Post by uhscubs1 on Dec 9, 2019 8:30:00 GMT -6
Curious how Terrebonne came out the winner of Gray Division Group "H" with 4 points to 7 points for Episcopal BR? From what I understand Episcopal Br won the bracket but did not want to play in the grey division finals. So Terrebonne played the final against Vandy. Episcopal BR bows out and are not penalized but Dutchtown bows out and is penalized? Do I have this wrong? Are there other circumstances that are not known?
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Post by coachray40 on Dec 9, 2019 8:40:32 GMT -6
The difference between playing 3 games at Copa (180 minutes) and regular games on back to back nights (160 minutes) is less than 1/2 of a JV game. That’s some very good mathematics right there. You’re starting to fire me up for some analytical analysis of 180 vs 160. We would have to also consider those that did 240. Probability of being very tired vs Super tired vs dawg stuff tired. Heres my point smart as.....oops....guy, when teams start complaining about too many games, many of them schedule full length games on back to back nights. The only difference is 20 minutes. I dont get the logic of not playing. If you cant play all the games, dont go. My team isnt real deep and we plaYed 3 70 minute games in 24 hours, using about 14 players total. We made it, and would have played another. I can get behind opting to not play a final, as that equals 4 games. What I cant understand is a team leaving after twp games (had that at Lion Cup), or having 25 kids on the bench and then opting out of playing. I also think you have to consider the team you are playing against, and remember they are there to play too, and may have travelled a long way with expense to play.
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Post by ReignMan on Dec 9, 2019 9:54:22 GMT -6
From what I understand Episcopal Br won the bracket but did not want to play in the grey division finals. So Terrebonne played the final against Vandy. Episcopal BR bows out and are not penalized but Dutchtown bows out and is penalized? Do I have this wrong? Are there other circumstances that are not known? I’m not sure if there was certain circumstances. I didn’t know dutchtown was penalized. What was the penalty for dutchtown leaving?
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Post by wjgirlssoccer on Dec 9, 2019 10:21:51 GMT -6
Episcopal BR bows out and are not penalized but Dutchtown bows out and is penalized? Do I have this wrong? Are there other circumstances that are not known? I’m not sure if there was certain circumstances. I didn’t know dutchtown was penalized. What was the penalty for dutchtown leaving? They forfeited to Jesuit in the Semifinals. Is what I think they mean by penalized.
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Post by dyerm on Dec 9, 2019 11:27:25 GMT -6
DTHS dropped out of the semis rather than play a 4th game in under 24 hours. My players were exhausted after our third and I will not risk their safety. I know personally the injuries that come from playing in that condition and will never risk it. Especially when, for our program, every player is vital to our success. As such, we have been penalized a loss through forfeit by LHSAA. That is it.
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Post by wjgirlssoccer on Dec 9, 2019 11:56:48 GMT -6
DTHS dropped out of the semis rather than play a 4th game in under 24 hours. My players were exhausted after our third and I will not risk their safety. I know personally the injuries that come from playing in that condition and will never risk it. Especially when, for our program, every player is vital to our success. As such, we have been penalized a loss through forfeit by LHSAA. That is it. Player safety is first.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Dec 9, 2019 12:39:14 GMT -6
I’m not sure if there was certain circumstances. I didn’t know dutchtown was penalized. What was the penalty for dutchtown leaving? They forfeited to Jesuit in the Semifinals. Is what I think they mean by penalized. Correct. Dutchtown was charged a forfeit (3-0) for not playing their semi final. However, Episcopal BR advanced to their final but did not play it. They were not charged a forfeit. Terrebonne played in their place. I am curious how one team is charged a forfeit for not playing and one is not.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Dec 9, 2019 13:20:19 GMT -6
They forfeited to Jesuit in the Semifinals. Is what I think they mean by penalized. Correct. Dutchtown was charged a forfeit (3-0) for not playing their semi final. However, Episcopal BR advanced to their final but did not play it. They were not charged a forfeit. Terrebonne played in their place. I am curious how one team is charged a forfeit for not playing and one is not.
One team, Epsicopal BR, had a senior boys event that led to a schedule conflict that was notified on Thanksgiving weekend while schedule was being made... and reminded the tournament directors and the 3 other teams involved in that group that had EBR won the group, second place would have to go on to final. All 3 teams knew their scenarios for advancement before the 3rd and final group game. This was worked out ahead of time and reminded before the last group games to ensure the other finalist would have a game as they deserved. Had Dutchtown notified the tournament just ahead of the last group game, Brother Martin would have gladly stayed to play as the group representative in The semifinals. Their boys had already begun the trip home in separate vehicles when the tournament was notified of the intent to forfeit the semifinal game. They were unable to reach them all in time to turn around despite Coach Macca‘s efforts to still try to get them back to play. We made every effort and even asked another team to stay, which they couldn’t. This isn’t something we wanted, but when 3 other teams expect a semifinal game and a fair final (which went out of the window when one of the semifinals winner would have basically a bye to finals) it soured a great Division I SuperCup and for the second year in a row, didn’t have a final game showcased to college coaches there to see the big boys finals, fans who want to see the big boys finals, and teams who expected 4-5 games against the best D1 competition for power ratings. I see both sides of it, but waiting till after group stage is over and teams are leaving isn’t the way the way to avoid the fourth game... better communication (as Episcopal BR did) is the way this could have all been avoided. There were 3 other teams (4 if you count Brother Martin) that were affected by the late decision to not play the scheduled semifinals. I apologize, but we attempted everything we could to fix the situation but no scenario worked out to fix it without the forfeit. The Coach of Dutchtown knew the forfeit would be happening if we couldn’t get Brother Martin players back and it is what had to happen to have the most fair outcome in this scenario. We have already discussed with D1 boys schools about fixing some scheduling issues for next year and helping with the crowded schedule. I will state lastly that this doesn’t happen in other sports tournaments (Baseball, softball, volleyball, or basketball)... our rules and set up for the D1 Super Cup was clearly stated months ahead... 3 groups games, semifinals and finals. Every team entered under that set of rules and when 3/4 of the semifinals expected games, games vs top other top D1 teams for PR, or challenges, or whatever the case, it affected everyone.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Dec 9, 2019 14:54:01 GMT -6
Correct. Dutchtown was charged a forfeit (3-0) for not playing their semi final. However, Episcopal BR advanced to their final but did not play it. They were not charged a forfeit. Terrebonne played in their place. I am curious how one team is charged a forfeit for not playing and one is not.
One team, Epsicopal BR, had a senior boys event that led to a schedule conflict that was notified on Thanksgiving weekend while schedule was being made... and reminded the tournament directors and the 3 other teams involved in that group that had EBR won the group, second place would have to go on to final. All 3 teams knew their scenarios for advancement before the 3rd and final group game. This was worked out ahead of time and reminded before the last group games to ensure the other finalist would have a game as they deserved. Had Dutchtown notified the tournament just ahead of the last group game, Brother Martin would have gladly stayed to play as the group representative in The semifinals. Their boys had already begun the trip home in separate vehicles when the tournament was notified of the intent to forfeit the semifinal game. They were unable to reach them all in time to turn around despite Coach Macca‘s efforts to still try to get them back to play. We made every effort and even asked another team to stay, which they couldn’t. This isn’t something we wanted, but when 3 other teams expect a semifinal game and a fair final (which went out of the window when one of the semifinals winner would have basically a bye to finals) it soured a great Division I SuperCup and for the second year in a row, didn’t have a final game showcased to college coaches there to see the big boys finals, fans who want to see the big boys finals, and teams who expected 4-5 games against the best D1 competition for power ratings. I see both sides of it, but waiting till after group stage is over and teams are leaving isn’t the way the way to avoid the fourth game... better communication (as Episcopal BR did) is the way this could have all been avoided. There were 3 other teams (4 if you count Brother Martin) that were affected by the late decision to not play the scheduled semifinals. I apologize, but we attempted everything we could to fix the situation but no scenario worked out to fix it without the forfeit. The Coach of Dutchtown knew the forfeit would be happening if we couldn’t get Brother Martin players back and it is what had to happen to have the most fair outcome in this scenario. We have already discussed with D1 boys schools about fixing some scheduling issues for next year and helping with the crowded schedule. I will state lastly that this doesn’t happen in other sports tournaments (Baseball, softball, volleyball, or basketball)... our rules and set up for the D1 Super Cup was clearly stated months ahead... 3 groups games, semifinals and finals. Every team entered under that set of rules and when 3/4 of the semifinals expected games, games vs top other top D1 teams for PR, or challenges, or whatever the case, it affected everyone. Thanks coach for the explanation and I think helping inform.
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Post by straightdummin on Dec 9, 2019 15:29:28 GMT -6
That’s some very good mathematics right there. You’re starting to fire me up for some analytical analysis of 180 vs 160. We would have to also consider those that did 240. Probability of being very tired vs Super tired vs dawg stuff tired. Heres my point smart as.....oops....guy, when teams start complaining about too many games, many of them schedule full length games on back to back nights. The only difference is 20 minutes. I dont get the logic of not playing. If you cant play all the games, dont go. My team isnt real deep and we plaYed 3 70 minute games in 24 hours, using about 14 players total. We made it, and would have played another. I can get behind opting to not play a final, as that equals 4 games. What I cant understand is a team leaving after twp games (had that at Lion Cup), or having 25 kids on the bench and then opting out of playing. I also think you have to consider the team you are playing against, and remember they are there to play too, and may have travelled a long way with expense to play. I love this post. Times have certainly changed from the 90's where we would go to a club tournament and play 5 full time matches over the course of 2 days. that is 450 minutes over 2 days. If my memory serves me right, the majority of the minutes were played by the starters. Also, there wasn't a slew of injuries in the semifinals or finals. I am not sure how today's atheletes have become so pampered such that even 240 minutes is considered too many
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Post by gallstar on Dec 9, 2019 15:35:26 GMT -6
That’s some very good mathematics right there. You’re starting to fire me up for some analytical analysis of 180 vs 160. We would have to also consider those that did 240. Probability of being very tired vs Super tired vs dawg stuff tired. Heres my point smart as.....oops....guy, when teams start complaining about too many games, many of them schedule full length games on back to back nights. The only difference is 20 minutes. I dont get the logic of not playing. If you cant play all the games, dont go. My team isnt real deep and we plaYed 3 70 minute games in 24 hours, using about 14 players total. We made it, and would have played another. I can get behind opting to not play a final, as that equals 4 games. What I cant understand is a team leaving after twp games (had that at Lion Cup), or having 25 kids on the bench and then opting out of playing. I also think you have to consider the team you are playing against, and remember they are there to play too, and may have travelled a long way with expense to play. I can only imagine the challenge of dealing with all this hoopla! Sign up and play what you signed up for seems logical. Unless you’ve noted that you’re only coming for three games in advance. If you don’t have numbers forfeit. The likely hood of a strain goes up by the overall minutes but are most common directly after halftime or a start with a substantial rest period. Some data: An injury occurs on average every 58 minutes in international soccer match. By percentage these types of injuries occur: 32% non-contact (muscle Strains most common) 68% contact (contusion most common) 67% of the time a strain or non contact injury occurs in the Second half and most often directly after halftime. Best prevention found in the study Is to properly warm back up. Contact injuries per the study occur in equal proportion with no noticeable difference. Sincerely, Gallstar the Operations Guy!!
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