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Post by Tank on Dec 12, 2019 10:42:02 GMT -6
First off, not trying to start anything - really asking out of curiosity.
Freshman game last night between Mandeville and St. Paul was officiated by 2 St. Paul's seniors (whom I love and have coached). In a game that means nothing in the grand scheme of things (no award for best freshman team), what's the rules/protocol for high school kiddo's playing in high school also reffing?
Game ended 0-0 and thought they did well, but isn't their a conflict of interest element to ref assignment? Again, game means nothing so I'm just curious.
- Tank
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Post by time2retire on Dec 12, 2019 10:55:50 GMT -6
Freshman and junior high games are not sanctioned by LHSAA, they are independent games as far as I understand them to be. So they are great stepping stones for those young referees who are seniors and do well to be introduced to the school side of things, especially if they are good officials in club ball. This is actually a good thing in my area (I only use 1 student, although a couple younger students have asked), because it frees up a HS certified referee to be available for those varsity games, or to mentor the referees on the junior high game. I do have a few adults who want some school experience without varsity experience - the junior high games I put them on this year have really piqued their interest and they are building confidence to be fully HS certified next year. Managed correctly, it is a very good thing.
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Post by kevin on Dec 12, 2019 13:51:01 GMT -6
Freshman and junior high games are not sanctioned by LHSAA, they are independent games as far as I understand them to be. I'm pretty sure that if you had an 8th grade team or middle school team at an 8-12 or K-12 school, the LHSAA rules wouldn't apply. But why wouldn't they apply to a 9th grade team? There may be a few schools where there's a separate freshman campus/program and that may complicate the question slightly. But according to Handbook 1.1: In the past I'm pretty sure it was explicitly allowed for a JV team to play an 8th grade team or something similar. I'm not sure if that's the case anymore. I coach cross country and they've been pretty strict (well, they've sent out a bunch of memos, anyway) that at meets you have to have separate races for middle school kids (non-LHSAA registered) and high school kids. So an 8th grader at an 8-12 school could run varsity (if he lives in the attendance zone), or could run against non-LHSAA middle school kids, but not both. According to the handbook, you can be 18 and register as a referee, so a senior could be old enough. But I would assume that if you want to ref a freshman game you would actually have to be an LHSOA official, whereas if you were doing a middle-school game, that wouldn't matter. |
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Post by time2retire on Dec 12, 2019 14:10:14 GMT -6
We do have a school that registered their 8th graders with LHSAA and they could not play against the other middle school teams, so that makes sense. The ones that did not register their 8th graders play in an independent league. I really only have 2 schools that would have a freshman team.
Being 18 is only one of the requirements. Being a graduate or having a GED is another. So you could not be a senior and eligible for LHSOA.
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Post by kevin on Dec 12, 2019 14:40:17 GMT -6
We do have a school that registered their 8th graders with LHSAA and they could not play against the other middle school teams, so that makes sense. The ones that did not register their 8th graders play in an independent league. I really only have 2 schools that would have a freshman team. Being 18 is only one of the requirements. Being a graduate or having a GED is another. So you could not be a senior and eligible for LHSOA. The handbook says "high school graduate or at least 18." (It used to say high school graduate or 21.) |
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Post by laffysoccermom on Dec 13, 2019 21:41:20 GMT -6
I’ve seen schools that had 8th graders play on both the high school and junior high team. Was this a violation? Not occurring any more and it was school’s first few years being in lhsaa
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Post by kevin on Dec 13, 2019 23:31:37 GMT -6
I’ve seen schools that had 8th graders play on both the high school and junior high team. Was this a violation? Not occurring any more and it was school’s first few years being in lhsaa A couple years ago, it probably wasn't. I've seen that happen in other sports, but not recently. I'm going out on a limb here, so please don't take this as gospel, but now I think it would be against the rules, unless you registered the 8th graders with the LHSAA and competed against other LHSAA schools doing the same thing. Then they could compete for both a middle school team and a varsity/JV team. That's what the cross country memos I've seen suggest. |
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