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Post by trojanhorse on Feb 17, 2020 21:56:36 GMT -6
y'all wanna change that poll?
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Post by jcstewart on Feb 17, 2020 22:00:23 GMT -6
I didn't see the goal or the video. However, it sounds like a deflection. So were the players in the offsides position when the ball was kicked? Does it matter if the ball comes off of a defender? Maybe one of the refs could shed some light. Interested in this also. Goal scorer looked to be in offside position when ball was kicked and deflected. Fell right to her feet.
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Post by soccerpelican on Feb 17, 2020 22:04:45 GMT -6
It was a game between scholastic institutions. CLS is part of the fabric of their community. The parents and community take pride in their school and receive support just like MCA. Costco please calm down. Emotions get the best of us especially if your daughter was a senior and this was her last competitive game but not her last competition she will have. You want her to be successful but no need to disparage the other team.
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Post by time2retire on Feb 17, 2020 22:35:23 GMT -6
I haven’t seen the video so...
If players are in the offside position when the ball is last touched by their teammate - deliberately or not - and they interfere with play, interfere with the opponent, or gain an advantage from the position (from a shot on goal) - then they are offside.
Deliberate vs deflection comes into play when a defender touches the ball last.
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Post by 3balz on Feb 17, 2020 23:04:05 GMT -6
Cubs missed so many shots. That is where the blame is placed. But, watch the replay. Offsides on the freak goal ..not called. So when you say 9 out of 10, is this 8 or 9 . Just curious Not much said here about going 100 minutes without scoring. Most of the conversation seems to center around 1 call from the center ref and another non-call from the AR. Please excuse me if I’m misreading the comments though.
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Post by 3balz on Feb 17, 2020 23:11:01 GMT -6
Not much said here about going 100 minutes without scoring. Most of the conversation seems to center around 1 call from the center ref and another non-call from the AR. Please excuse me if I’m misreading the comments though. And you can tell costco that’s one of the rudest posts I’ve seen in 4 years especially given Kevin’s contributions to this board. Tell costco to message me if he wants to know where my daughter will be next year.
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Post by stmparent on Feb 17, 2020 23:50:34 GMT -6
We played both teams this year. I think Central Lafourche starts off strong, but MCA is too much, and ends up taking it pretty easily in the end 3-1 You proved me wrong. Congratulations and good luck. And I don't know about 5 years, but I know where your daughters will be in 5 days. In the Semifinals!
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Post by futbolking on Feb 18, 2020 7:39:19 GMT -6
Not much said here about going 100 minutes without scoring. Most of the conversation seems to center around 1 call from the center ref and another non-call from the AR. Please excuse me if I’m misreading the comments though. And you can tell costco that’s one of the rudest posts I’ve seen in 4 years especially given Kevin’s contributions to this board. Tell costco to message me if he wants to know where my daughter will be next year. Kevin’s past contributions mean zero in this conversation. So, stop running to his defense like a sissy. I hear he’s a pretty good Jeopardy player. No way to tell on video if red was justified. Looked like a pretty good flop by CL player.
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Post by cardsinhand on Feb 18, 2020 7:40:49 GMT -6
Attachment DeletedI'll leave this here for educational purposes. Remember this is a judgement call by an official and there is no VAR to dissect this with 5 different camera angles. Not an easy decision, especially given the bang bang play with the deflection. Also not easy to breakdown given the one camera angle. However I'll try share my knowledge and explain the law as best as I can. I'll listen to constructive debate, but if you just want to complain and lay blame as to why your team loss, do it somewhere else. The MCA player has kicked the ball (the ball can't be seen but is hitting the white blur) and it deflects off the CL player (the white blur). This is when the decision has to be made. As best as can be seen here, there is 1 CL player clearly in an offside position. She is not the goal scorer and does not get involved or interfere, therefore not a factor in the decision. The player who does score is the one in camera line with the keeper. Now from this angle you cannot tell with 100 % accuracy that this player is offside or not. Look at the back foot of the MCA defender in line with the CL player that the ball deflected off of. IMO, she is the STLD and the offside line should be drawn with her back foot. Compare that to the CL goal scorer at this moment and it's too close to call from this angle. We are taught if we can't bet our house on the fact that they are offside, then the flag stays down. Remember that even is NOT offside. kevin I'll solicit your thoughts on the matter since you were reporting and disagreed with the decision at the time?
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Post by use2play on Feb 18, 2020 7:56:34 GMT -6
Note the girls in the top left corner are DHS warming up that is not where the ball was. Clearly it shows cl was offsides. Note mca played down a player for 50 minutes and still maintained most possession. Yet MCA had plenty of chances to put the ball away.
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Post by Tank on Feb 18, 2020 8:03:01 GMT -6
Based on the photo, what a freak deflection. Would love a video.
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Post by 3balz on Feb 18, 2020 8:03:06 GMT -6
And you can tell costco that’s one of the rudest posts I’ve seen in 4 years especially given Kevin’s contributions to this board. Tell costco to message me if he wants to know where my daughter will be next year. Kevin’s past contributions mean zero in this conversation. So, stop running to his defense like a sissy. I hear he’s a pretty good Jeopardy player. No way to tell on video if red was justified. Looked like a pretty good flop by CL player. Actually you're right about one thing. Kevin's contributions to this board don't mean much in this conversation. But, asking where his kid will be in 5 years... because you disagree with a comment he made???
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Post by time2retire on Feb 18, 2020 8:08:39 GMT -6
Based on the photo, what a freak deflection. Would love a video. Video still available on the link on the first page. I want to say there was 14 minutes left in the video when this sequence happens
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Post by stmparent on Feb 18, 2020 8:17:24 GMT -6
You can analyze the video all you want. What happened here is obvious. MCA underestimates CL and it cost them. People have been underestimating CL for years. We played them two years ago in the DII finals. At the time, the talk on these boards was that it could be the first mercy rule finals. Well the final was 1-0. And CL had several chances in the last 10 minutes to send it to OT.
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Post by FalconDad on Feb 18, 2020 11:25:09 GMT -6
My take after watching the video: the ball was deliberately played by the MC defender (the attempted clearance). Even though the ball deflected off the CL wide attacker, it still originated as deliberately played by the defense. Therefore, it doesn't matter if the CL scorer was in an offside position or not - offside is not called on the CL player who took the shot and scored, because she received the ball from a deliberate play by a defender.
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Post by time2retire on Feb 18, 2020 11:29:24 GMT -6
My take after watching the video: the ball was deliberately played by the MC defender (the attempted clearance). Even though the ball deflected off the CL wide attacker, it still originated as deliberately played by the defense. Therefore, it doesn't matter if the CL scorer was in an offside position or not - offside is not called on the CL player who took the shot and scored, because she received the ball from a deliberate play by a defender. You judge the player when the ball is last touched by the teammate. Deliberate or not makes no difference in this case. Once they meet any of the three requirements, they are then guilty of offside.
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Post by cardsinhand on Feb 18, 2020 11:33:11 GMT -6
My take after watching the video: the ball was deliberately played by the MC defender (the attempted clearance). Even though the ball deflected off the CL wide attacker, it still originated as deliberately played by the defense. Therefore, it doesn't matter if the CL scorer was in an offside position or not - offside is not called on the CL player who took the shot and scored, because she received the ball from a deliberate play by a defender. Incorrect. She receives it last touched by a teammate. See below. www.theifab.com/laws/chapter/31/section/87/"A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by: interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or"....
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Post by mcamary on Feb 18, 2020 11:57:44 GMT -6
It’s been a few hours since we’ve had any vitriol from a cub dad. Come on guys don’t let it go so easily. The rest of us need some entertainment. We can’t BEAR the silence...
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Post by cardsinhand on Feb 18, 2020 12:04:51 GMT -6
Attachment DeletedAgain to educate those on the Laws of the Game. Per language in IFAB below. Violent conduct
Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made. In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible. www.theifab.com/laws/chapter/32/section/94/
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Post by time2retire on Feb 18, 2020 12:10:40 GMT -6
View AttachmentAgain to educate those on the Laws of the Game. Per language in IFAB below. Violent conduct
Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made. In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible. www.theifab.com/laws/chapter/32/section/94/ Very clear cut and this is a good catch by the referee. Sometimes the referee is quick to turn their head and follow play, she kept her eyes on the challenge that extra snap of the finger and caught the violent conduct. This is textbook VC, there really shouldn’t be a debate on this one.
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