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Post by Rabid Monkey on Feb 23, 2020 6:23:09 GMT -6
I see the Private School Championships are 2/26-29 in Hammond
Does anyone know when and where the Public Schools play? Asking for a friend..... đ
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Post by kahnman on Feb 23, 2020 6:53:26 GMT -6
I wonder how far away we are from a public school declining a playoff invitation? A 25-32 seed wouldnât shock me at all next year, but what about a 5-10 seed? I think it is only a matter or time. When this debate comes up I continue hearing about not wanting to âpunish a kid for his parents choosing a schoolâ but why are we not concerned about punishing a kid who has nothing to do with somebodyâ elseâs decision, by not giving them a legitimate opportunity to win the last game? With that not being an option, why go though the motions and heartbreak of the guaranteed inevitable?
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Post by sonics3 on Feb 23, 2020 7:38:16 GMT -6
I wonder how far away we are from a public school declining a playoff invitation? A 25-32 seed wouldnât shock me at all next year, but what about a 5-10 seed? I think it is only a matter or time. When this debate comes up I continue hearing about not wanting to âpunish a kid for his parents choosing a schoolâ but why are we not concerned about punishing a kid who has nothing to do with somebodyâ elseâs decision, by not giving them a legitimate opportunity to win the last game? With that not being an option, why go though the motions and heartbreak of the guaranteed inevitable? As a former High School coach, I was in favor of a split in soccer for many years. I still do think that itâs not exactly a level playing field, but I think the adults are more concerned with a split than the majority of the players. Letâs face it. Recruiting happens in football. Itâs highly unlikely that recruiting players in soccer is taking place. My son played for the Northshore team that lost to Jesuit in last years semi finals. They walked off of that field knowing they had just left everything they had out there. They wanted St Paulâs in the final. No one else. They wanted to be the team to knock them off. They just didnât get it done. They lost three games last year. St. Paulâs, Jesus, and Catholic. Our starting 11 could hang with their starting 11. Problem for us was 11-18. All three of the mentioned schools could sub without any drop off and we couldnât. We were able to make a deep run in the playoffs due to the fact that 10 of the starting 11 were all from the same club team. We had the same advantage as the private schools of having many club players. Just not as many. Thatâs just part of it. I asked my sonâs friends if they would have wanted a split championship. Their response was no. They wanted St. Paulâs.
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Post by spsfan100 on Feb 23, 2020 7:52:26 GMT -6
D1 girls final is Northshore versus Mandeville (2 public schools). The winner will know they took out all comers.
I understand some of the arguments but not having a Northshore guys team last year or Dutchtown this year in D1 would be a travesty.
And yes I went to public school and loved taking shots at the privates.
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Post by Cruyff on Feb 23, 2020 7:54:17 GMT -6
I had a friend ask me the same question regarding the girls...Seems like the girlâs public school championships will be held in Hammond, but nobody can figure out where the private school championships will be held. đ
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Post by kahnman on Feb 23, 2020 7:56:50 GMT -6
I am not in favor of a split, I donât think I that is a better scenario. The competition level across the state will not increase with a split. I do know that the current system is broken. I also donât think private schools are heavily reciting soccer players. I do think it happens, but certainly not excessively. My issue is the kids that are at those private schools legitimately, and eligible to play that would not be an option for public schools. Those kids is what leads to the extended depth. Depth isint just 12-15 on the field . It helps with training, it allows injuries to starters to heal longer and better etc. The playing field is grossly uneven, and the advantage gained by that is unarguable.
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Post by kahnman on Feb 23, 2020 8:12:37 GMT -6
I had a friend ask me the same question regarding the girls...Seems like the girlâs public school championships will be held in Hammond, but nobody can figure out where the private school championships will be held. đ That works for the girls Div I, but the disparity on the boys side is so large that no boys team of ANY classification has won state in 15 ( I believe this is the number) consecutive years. Process that. Due to lack of depth, most public schools play freshman and sophomores all over the field. They are forced to. Those kids were not born the last time a public school won a boys championship, again, in any classification.
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Post by kahnman on Feb 23, 2020 8:21:51 GMT -6
D1 girls final is Northshore versus Mandeville (2 public schools). The winner will know they took out all comers. I understand some of the arguments but not having a Northshore guys team last year or Dutchtown this year in D1 would be a travesty. And yes I went to public school and loved taking shots at the privates. â19 northshore and â20 Dtown are the perfect argument. Those teams deserved a better result. Northshore had dudes all over the field and Dutch had a transcendent player. Both had several other positive attributes as well and neither made the state final. Neither one of those schools will ever compile that type of team for that opportunity again and it still wasnât enough to play in the last game, much less win it for either. The usual suspects on the private side compile that roster every year, and it is due to eligibility rules that are different for the two sides.
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Post by spsfan100 on Feb 23, 2020 8:29:39 GMT -6
The parent above told you who Northshore players wanted to end the season against. Zayne is going play D1. I would bet he enjoyed the challenge.
A split only changes the names of the teams at the top. You know who would have the advantage then? The public schools in good school districts. Because yes those parents that pay for kids to play club ball often choose to live in areas where their child can go to good public schools.
See Zachary in football.
I would be good with a multiplier or moving up dominant teams in the lower divisions.
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Post by upper90 on Feb 23, 2020 8:40:16 GMT -6
No split. Itâs a ridiculous suggestion.
Because when a split does happen, youâll have the same teams appearing in the later rounds of the playoffs, and then others will declare some other type of disadvantage. Itâs never ending.
I can guarantee you that 98% of players donât want a split. They want to beat the best. Itâs the parents claiming the unfair advantage.
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Post by kahnman on Feb 23, 2020 8:54:03 GMT -6
No split. Itâs a ridiculous suggestion. Because when a split does happen, youâll have the same teams appearing in the later rounds of the playoffs, and then others will declare some other type of disadvantage. Itâs never ending. I can guarantee you that 98% of players donât want a split. They want to beat the best. Itâs the parents claiming the unfair advantage. Wrong, I would put the public school players at 50/50.I am sure that private schools percentage is way different but taking into account that have every advantage, there is no reason for them to want change.Considering public schools are 90% of the players total, 2% is way low...
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Post by tlabat on Feb 23, 2020 8:56:14 GMT -6
I guess the D1 girlsâ private schools forgot to recruit this year.
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Post by loJic on Feb 23, 2020 9:00:56 GMT -6
No split. Itâs a ridiculous suggestion. Because when a split does happen, youâll have the same teams appearing in the later rounds of the playoffs, and then others will declare some other type of disadvantage. Itâs never ending. I can guarantee you that 98% of players donât want a split. They want to beat the best. Itâs the parents claiming the unfair advantage. Wrong, I would put the public school players at 50/50.I am sure that private schools percentage is way different but taking into account that have every advantage, there is no reason for them to want change.Considering public schools are 90% of the players total, 2% is way low... East Jefferson is đŻ against a split
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Post by kahnman on Feb 23, 2020 9:10:07 GMT -6
I am also against a split, as stated above
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Post by Rabid Monkey on Feb 23, 2020 9:13:11 GMT -6
It wasnât my intention when starting the thread to rehash split - non split because I donât even believe a split would be good for the sport. I do think however that there could be a way to change things up to make things more competitive for public schools
Gallstar had what I think could be a viable option where private and public each have a side of a bracket then each meet in the finals Is this perfect for all divisions? I donât think so, But I do like the idea of a bigger multiplier to move up some lower division powers.
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Post by gallstar on Feb 23, 2020 9:14:27 GMT -6
It's not a public vs private matter that's pushing the high school soccer narrative. It's the number of families that cannot afford the American model. There are club directors making 6 figures to tell a kid how to play a game that is truly quite simple.
This answer will piss off every paid club coach in this circle of trust. Parents quit paying $4000 a year for club and put the kids on wreck teams in the clubs: the more kids that play, the better the game gets. The reason soccer sucks in the USA IS that it's a money grab. Kids don't get to properly developed through open play. They shouldn't organize into teams until U-14, and even that may be too early. I will be told how stupid I am and put down every way imaginable, but the kids from McKinely had 7-8 kids better than anything a club has produced. Visit Costa Rica and watch their player development. All that want to play show up to the town field and divide up into teams. They're a country of maybe 5 million people, and they make and have made runs deep in the world cup. The private kids are the same ones that can afford the American model. Get more kids playing at all social and economic levels, and you'll level the field rapidly. Build a new model because most can't afford the current one and the 4th largest country in the world sucks at soccer yet we have more club coaches than any other country in the world. Follow the money!
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Post by panther on Feb 23, 2020 9:22:29 GMT -6
Very well put gallstar !!
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Post by centerback5868 on Feb 23, 2020 9:26:01 GMT -6
I like the way you think Gallstar.
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Post by DocT on Feb 23, 2020 9:28:07 GMT -6
#Gallstar 2024
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Post by straightdummin on Feb 23, 2020 9:32:44 GMT -6
I am not really sure that anyone really wants a split. Probably an acknowledgement that the playing field is not equal and possibly some sort of tweak to the system. If you were to put the top players from Dutchtown, St Amant and DenhamSprings on one team I am pretty sure they could give the 30-deep (that is quality and not just bodies) teams of St Paulâs, Catholic, and Jesuit a real run for the title. And they would only be pulling from 2 parishes
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