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Post by alto1smom on Apr 22, 2020 18:10:28 GMT -6
I haven’t been on here in a long time and it was because the fight to upgrade soccer when the BEST girls team in the state was raising the standards and paving the way, we just didn’t care. Politics still rule the day even when it hurts children.
We have no respect nationally because adults well, hurt children.
I am going to post stats, selfishly of only the girls my kid has played with and some of the results are shameful for district and state honors. I’m beginning to agree with my AD that the Metro teams are more valid because most reporters aren’t in bed with people. Coaches I’m apologizing early because I’m about to put you on blast and expose this BS.
Stats to come
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Post by alto1smom on Apr 22, 2020 19:03:49 GMT -6
School Player Last Name Player First Name Goals Assists wow factor
Mt Carmel Burst Chole 27 8
North Shore Cutura Brooke 28 20
Dominican French Stella 21 15 Defender
Mandeville Aertker Caroline 15 23
Northshore Price Mykayla 17 15
St Scholastica Waterhouse Haily Not Reported Not Reported Really
Lakeshore Chapaton Julia 4 4 defender
Mt. Carmel Sigur Janie 9 6 defender
Mandeville Sides Maggie 6 1 defender
Ben Franklin Marsh Ella 37 15 defender
Ben Franklin Fielkow Yanna 137 saves
Country Day Tubbs Matilde 67 saves
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Post by dme1214 on Apr 22, 2020 20:11:09 GMT -6
I haven’t been on here in a long time and it was because the fight to upgrade soccer when the BEST girls team in the state was raising the standards and paving the way, we just didn’t care. Politics still rule the day even when it hurts children. We have no respect nationally because adults well, hurt children. I am going to post stats, selfishly of only the girls my kid has played with and some of the results are shameful for district and state honors. I’m beginning to agree with my AD that the Metro teams are more valid because most reporters aren’t in bed with people. Coaches I’m apologizing early because I’m about to put you on blast and expose this BS. Stats to come I whole heartedly disagree with you on the all metro teams being the most fair. Maybe in Nola, but definitely not in some of the smaller metro areas. |
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Post by copakid14 on Apr 22, 2020 20:37:30 GMT -6
I guess I am trying to understand the argument. If I'm not mistaken, 10 out of the 12 players mentioned are on All State rosters correct?
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Post by doughboy on Apr 23, 2020 8:31:17 GMT -6
Ehh . It’s not like it’s something new. Besides, It’s not like College recruiters are looking for patches on a jacket that’s hanging in some closet, never to be worn. Nobody sees this stuff. Except for us parents . Hmmmm
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Post by soccermom2022 on Apr 23, 2020 11:55:32 GMT -6
It's my understanding that voting coaches don't even see the stats when voting, only school,player,& jersey #. If so, there should be more transparency with the numbers and lhsaa & lhsca should make more of an effort to track stats through the season and include them for voting. Maybe stats should be reported along with scores during the season. However,not sure if this would change it from being a vote mainly based on popularity. Northshore went undefeated & won state championship (unlike Mandeville), and based on the stats posted above; I do question how Brooke didn't get Offensive MVP & Northshore coach not get coach of the year. This isnt the only division, but only speaking of the stats posted above. These accolades may not do much for recruiting, but should be awarded deservingly & based on more than popularity of player, school, coach, & club. Most of the players that made the lists absolutely deserve it, but several did not that also deserved to make the list. M.Price deserved it based on team season and stats above. And for those that say it doesn't matter for various reasons,fine, but you're an adult. It does matter to the kids that didn't receive credit when credit is due. It is a slap in the face to that kid and does hurt. HS is a popularity contest in itself, so when adults are making decisions there should be an example set of unbiased maturity. And I truly don't care who disagrees bc you're probably part of that popular vote. And if you don't want people to question the validity of the lists and politics involved, then post the stats for all to see.
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Post by doughboy on Apr 23, 2020 13:17:06 GMT -6
I get it. And I’m not part of the process , trust me. I’ve also seen stats get padded against weak competition. The leader board can be very misleading. I’ve also seen players dominate games doing things that don’t show up on a stat sheet. How are they less deserving than scoring 6 goals against school of the blind? A lot goes into it. People get screwed in all sports at all positions. It’s just part of the deal . It is what it is . I just don’t think kids should get too caught up over what amounts to another patch on a sleeve .
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Post by six on Apr 23, 2020 13:47:10 GMT -6
I get it. And I’m not part of the process , trust me. I’ve also seen stats get padded against weak competition. The leader board can be very misleading. I’ve also seen players dominate games doing things that don’t show up on a stat sheet. How are they less deserving than scoring 6 goals against school of the blind? A lot goes into it. People get screwed in all sports at all positions. It’s just part of the deal . It is what it is . I just don’t think kids should get on a sleeve . |
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Post by six on Apr 23, 2020 13:47:40 GMT -6
I get it. And I’m not part of the process , trust me. I’ve also seen stats get padded against weak competition. The leader board can be very misleading. I’ve also seen players dominate games doing things that don’t show up on a stat sheet. How are they less deserving than scoring 6 goals against school of the blind? A lot goes into it. People get screwed in all sports at all positions. It’s just part of the deal . It is what it is . I just don’t think kids should get on a sleeve . |
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Post by six on Apr 23, 2020 13:47:59 GMT -6
I get it. And I’m not part of the process , trust me. I’ve also seen stats get padded against weak competition. The leader board can be very misleading. I’ve also seen players dominate games doing things that don’t show up on a stat sheet. How are they less deserving than scoring 6 goals against school of the blind? A lot goes into it. People get screwed in all sports at all positions. It’s just part of the deal . It is what it is . I just don’t think kids should get on a sleeve . |
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Post by upper90 on Apr 23, 2020 13:55:25 GMT -6
It's my understanding that voting coaches don't even see the stats when voting, only school,player,& jersey #. If so, there should be more transparency with the numbers and lhsaa & lhsca should make more of an effort to track stats through the season and include them for voting. Maybe stats should be reported along with scores during the season. However,not sure if this would change it from being a vote mainly based on popularity. Northshore went undefeated & won state championship (unlike Mandeville), and based on the stats posted above; I do question how Brooke didn't get Offensive MVP & Northshore coach not get coach of the year. This isnt the only division, but only speaking of the stats posted above. These accolades may not do much for recruiting, but should be awarded deservingly & based on more than popularity of player, school, coach, & club. Most of the players that made the lists absolutely deserve it, but several did not that also deserved to make the list. M.Price deserved it based on team season and stats above. And for those that say it doesn't matter for various reasons,fine, but you're an adult. It does matter to the kids that didn't receive credit when credit is due. It is a slap in the face to that kid and does hurt. HS is a popularity contest in itself, so when adults are making decisions there should be an example set of unbiased maturity. And I truly don't care who disagrees bc you're probably part of that popular vote. And if you don't want people to question the validity of the lists and politics involved, then post the stats for all to see. Your understanding is (mostly) false. Coaches nominate players and can choose to provide any stats that they have. They can also provide any other pertinent information that they deem necessary. Some coaches take stats, and others don't. I've already made comments on the boys side regarding the lack of participation from some coaches, whether that be nominating/voting, updating the LHSAAonline scores in a timely manner, updating MaxPreps, providing stats, participating on this board, or whatever other minor things that can be done to help progress the sport in Louisiana. It's shameful that coaches deem themselves above these kind of things. It literally takes an extra 5 minutes to post on this board and provide stats on MaxPreps. Not hard at all. When it comes to voting, in my honest opinion, there's really no politics at play once the team is chosen. I think that most times, the correct players get chosen. There are probably 1-2 players every year in each division that don't quite garner enough votes, but such is life. Because whether you like it or not, you and I can watch a game (or 10), and have a completely different opinion on certain players. At the end of the day, the coaches are looking at a set of names on a piece of paper that lists name, school, number, stats, etc. Sometimes, coaches are just going to go with what they know if they haven't heard of some player from Middle of Nowhere, LA, and I don't think that's necessarily wrong. I do like your idea of having a system where stats get uploaded after every game. I think that's a good idea, and would greatly help keeping tabs on everything. Referees already have reports after games, so why not add the extra information. It wouldn't take that long. |
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Post by wewuzrobbed on Apr 23, 2020 15:03:49 GMT -6
I noticed your kid made Div 4 O-MVP (although it could have easily went to Cazalot as well) and figured your loudmouth would make an appearance sooner or later.
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Post by mondello on Apr 23, 2020 16:59:38 GMT -6
And did you see the girls all state teams - these brilliant minds couldn’t even create a full second team like the boys.
What ? Not enough worthy girls in the state to make a second team - so pathetic.
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Post by upper90 on Apr 23, 2020 17:14:09 GMT -6
And did you see the girls all state teams - these brilliant minds couldn’t even create a full second team like the boys. What ? Not enough worthy girls in the state to make a second team - so pathetic. That’s not how it works, bud. Girls nomination numbers were MUCH smaller than boys. Therefore, the amount on 2nd team are less. There has to be a cutoff somewhere. Blame your coaches if your daughter didn’t make the team. Chances are, they weren’t even nominated. |
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Post by mondello on Apr 23, 2020 17:24:08 GMT -6
Now there’s a comment from the swamp to defend this wonderful ethical transparent process. That’s for that detailed explanation Bud.
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Post by dualdellortos on Apr 23, 2020 18:19:44 GMT -6
And did you see the girls all state teams - these brilliant minds couldn’t even create a full second team like the boys. What ? Not enough worthy girls in the state to make a second team - so pathetic. That’s not how it works, bud. Girls nomination numbers were MUCH smaller than boys. Therefore, the amount on 2nd team are less. There has to be a cutoff somewhere. Blame your coaches if your daughter didn’t make the team. Chances are, they weren’t even nominated. I have no problem with the process, but let's look more closely at the above statement. As a HS coach, I have access to the ballots that I was sent via email. I may be off 1 or 2 somewhere as I did not "proof" my work!  D1 Girls - 50 nominations from 20 schools D1 Boys - 36 nominations from 15 schools D2 Girls - 32 nominations from 10 schools D2 Boys - 32 nominations from 13 schools D3 Girls - 37 nominations from 13 schools D3 Boys - 44 nominations from 16 schools D4 Girls - 27 nominations from 12 schools D4 Boys - 38 nominations from 13 schools Girls Total - 146 nominations from 55 schools Boys Total - 150 nominations from 57 schools So, Lusher is correct. 150 nominations is WAY MORE than 146 nominations.  I have to be honest, the numbers don't lie.......... 22/50 D1 nominated girls made all-state, while 29/36 D1 nominated boys made all-state. Overall, 80/146 nominated girls made all-state, 103/150 nominated boys made all-state. Boys had 4 more nominations but 23 more honorees....... Lusher?  |
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Post by upper90 on Apr 23, 2020 19:00:56 GMT -6
That’s not how it works, bud. Girls nomination numbers were MUCH smaller than boys. Therefore, the amount on 2nd team are less. There has to be a cutoff somewhere. Blame your coaches if your daughter didn’t make the team. Chances are, they weren’t even nominated. I have no problem with the process, but let's look more closely at the above statement. As a HS coach, I have access to the ballots that I was sent via email. I may be off 1 or 2 somewhere as I did not "proof" my work! D1 Girls - 50 nominations from 20 schools D1 Boys - 36 nominations from 15 schools D2 Girls - 32 nominations from 10 schools D2 Boys - 32 nominations from 13 schools D3 Girls - 37 nominations from 13 schools D3 Boys - 44 nominations from 16 schools D4 Girls - 27 nominations from 12 schools D4 Boys - 38 nominations from 13 schools Girls Total - 146 nominations from 55 schools Boys Total - 150 nominations from 57 schools So, Lusher is correct. 150 nominations is WAY MORE than 146 nominations. I have to be honest, the numbers don't lie.......... 22/50 D1 nominated girls made all-state, while 29/36 D1 nominated boys made all-state. Overall, 80/146 nominated girls made all-state, 103/150 nominated boys made all-state. Boys had 4 more nominations but 23 more honorees....... Lusher? I stand corrected. Going off of memory didn’t serve me correct this time, obviously (geez, I swear my kids are aging me at 6x the normal rate). Let me be clear: I have no role within the LHSSCA. I have had experience doing these types of votes, though. I’m not here to talk about how perfect this system is. It isn’t. There won’t ever be one. No voting system will EVER satisfy the masses. However, there is room for improvement, and I think there are talks every year to improve the process. In regards to why there are less players on 2nd team than on the boys side, I can only speculate. What it tells me is that the majority of the voting coaches all voted for the 90% of the same players, and there wasn’t that much of a spread between those who received the remaining 10% of votes. I know we had the same issue in our district for All-District votes (we use the same type of voting system). |
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Post by dualdellortos on Apr 23, 2020 19:08:59 GMT -6
I have no problem with the process, but let's look more closely at the above statement. As a HS coach, I have access to the ballots that I was sent via email. I may be off 1 or 2 somewhere as I did not "proof" my work! D1 Girls - 50 nominations from 20 schools D1 Boys - 36 nominations from 15 schools D2 Girls - 32 nominations from 10 schools D2 Boys - 32 nominations from 13 schools D3 Girls - 37 nominations from 13 schools D3 Boys - 44 nominations from 16 schools D4 Girls - 27 nominations from 12 schools D4 Boys - 38 nominations from 13 schools Girls Total - 146 nominations from 55 schools Boys Total - 150 nominations from 57 schools So, Lusher is correct. 150 nominations is WAY MORE than 146 nominations. I have to be honest, the numbers don't lie.......... 22/50 D1 nominated girls made all-state, while 29/36 D1 nominated boys made all-state. Overall, 80/146 nominated girls made all-state, 103/150 nominated boys made all-state. Boys had 4 more nominations but 23 more honorees....... Lusher? I stand corrected. Going off of memory didn’t serve me correct this time, obviously (geez, I swear my kids are aging me at 6x the normal rate). Let me be clear: I have no role within the LHSSCA. I have had experience doing these types of votes, though. I’m not here to take about how perfect this system is. It isn’t. There won’t ever be one. No voting system will EVER satisfy the masses. However, there is room for improvement, and I think there are talks every year to improve the process. In regards to why there are less players on 2nd team than on the boys side, I can only speculate. What it tells me is that the majority of the voting coaches all voted for the 90% of the same players, and there wasn’t that much of a spread between those who received the remaining 10% of votes. I know we had the same issue in our district for All-District votes (we use the same type of voting system). No worries! Just putting numbers out there. And you are right. I have been involved in coordinating state/region HS voting in Texas and there is no perfect system. Someone is always butt hurt and sometimes justifiably. |
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Post by coachguam on Apr 23, 2020 19:41:15 GMT -6
Don't know if I completely agree with the original emotionally driven post that started this, because it seems kind of personally motivated toward what I am suspecting is the perceived slight of their kid. Agree with one point, would like to see posting stats after each game required if you want your players/coaches considered for honors. Although it is a valid point that stats can be inflated if you play week teams, it is also true that the stats can be weighed/measured to the competition by coaches when making decisions. As a coach, I have always had my teams stats posted in Max Preps knowing that it might put me at a slight disadvantage when playing teams that don't. However, it does offer a validation that coaches, players, parents and potential scouts could review/reference when needed. Additionally, it offers a way to help separate substance from subjectivity in some of these tough decisions. I know some coaches don't want to post their rosters and stats for tactical reasons, but I think this is a cop out. If you are a good coach, and your team is a good team you should win on your performance not on trying to hide from your stats positive or negative. Any excuse not to post, is usually based on insecurity in your coaching/teams ability. Also agree there should be a 1st and 2nd team for All-State with the numbers submitted if that is true...
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Post by mondello on Apr 23, 2020 19:48:37 GMT -6
So now that we actually have the accurate numbers - thank you! Let’s use D1 girls for example - 50 nominations and significantly fewer selections than the boys with 36 nominations (and let’s assume that the coaches who made the nominations felt that these girls were worthy of being nominated and potentially selected). How are the two genders being treated equally here by LHSSCA?
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