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Post by dualdellortos on Apr 23, 2020 20:36:42 GMT -6
At the end of the day, most coaches only participate in voting if they nominate players. It is unfortunate. For the coaches who nominate, vote, promote, build relationships with college coaches and have a handle on their players academics, extracurriculars, etc, THANK YOU!
It is high school athletics and we, as coaches, should be just as passionate about our role, as teachers and administrators are about theirs. As a teacher, I have an interest in my students that transcends their work in my class. It is the same with my players. I will jump on the soapbox that many other coaches on this forum are already on. This is a 12 month a year commitment to support your athletes in every aspect of their education and, in some cases, after they move on from high school.
Some get it, some don’t.
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Post by dme1214 on Apr 24, 2020 0:48:39 GMT -6
Don't know if I completely agree with the original emotionally driven post that started this, because it seems kind of personally motivated toward what I am suspecting is the perceived slight of their kid. Agree with one point, would like to see posting stats after each game required if you want your players/coaches considered for honors. Although it is a valid point that stats can be inflated if you play week teams, it is also true that the stats can be weighed/measured to the competition by coaches when making decisions. As a coach, I have always had my teams stats posted in Max Preps knowing that it might put me at a slight disadvantage when playing teams that don't. However, it does offer a validation that coaches, players, parents and potential scouts could review/reference when needed. Additionally, it offers a way to help separate substance from subjectivity in some of these tough decisions. I know some coaches don't want to post their rosters and stats for tactical reasons, but I think this is a cop out. If you are a good coach, and your team is a good team you should win on your performance not on trying to hide from your stats positive or negative. Any excuse not to post, is usually based on insecurity in your coaching/teams ability. Also agree there should be a 1st and 2nd team for All-State with the numbers submitted if that is true... In fact, as was posted above, the person who started this all’s kid was voted offensive MVP in D4. It seemed more about club teammates that were slighted, but after the stats were posted by this mom, most of the ones she referenced made it. So I join Copakid in wondering where the politics of this years vote came in. Is it perfect, nope. Will it ever be, nope. Is it generally correct, yes. Is it usually, yes. So for those kids (and in the past I’ve felt slighted by some awards for my kid) know this, YOU are the keeper of YOUR value and skill, you control how you react to being, or not being, on this list. Do yourself proud, and the rest will fall into place. (And yes that is what I’ve said to them in the cases where it seemed like my kids didn’t get what we thought they deserved) To me the biggest flaw in this system to that too many of the coaches are so Darn lazy about doing what needs to be done. Stat: D2 girls 32 kids 10 teams. Hmmm there are 40+ teams in D2 that’s shameful. And everyone of those coaches who chose to not nominate or vote needs to look in the mirror and ask themselves if this is just a paycheck or do do they actually give a crap about their players. I personally have found that the ones that really care are turn out to be the best coaches. My kid doesn’t play for dualdellortos But I would be proud to have her do so, he cares, the kids feel it, the parents feel it and so does the competition. If you can’t form that level of commitment, then go work for Walmart. Ps this isn’t a swipe at anyone in particular, but none of these ‘awards’ will ever be 100% until most of the coaches are like this. Pps. I know the money sucks so no need to pile on about that. |
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Post by aliceshoe1 on Apr 24, 2020 13:57:45 GMT -6
6. All district selections are not always fair. Deals are sometimes cut before the meeting even takes place.
7. All city/region selections are not always fair. Newspapers have the need to represent all their market. Yes one local team may deserve 90% of the slots, but it won’t happen.
8. All state selections are not always fair. The active voting coaches tend to be involved in premier ball and know the players reputations before they hit the high school pitch.
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Post by dme1214 on Apr 24, 2020 14:26:37 GMT -6
6. All district selections are not always fair. Deals are sometimes cut before the meeting even takes place. 7. All city/region selections are not always fair. Newspapers have the need to represent all their market. Yes one local team may deserve 90% of the slots, but it won’t happen. 8. All state selections are not always fair. The active voting coaches tend to be involved in premier ball and know the players reputations before they hit the high school pitch. Did I miss 1-5? |
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Post by kevin on Apr 26, 2020 17:52:48 GMT -6
I've probably said this before in some other threads, but there's simply aren't any people who are a) unbiased and b) knowledgeable enough to be able to pick an all-state team. There is no way to see enough soccer. A reporter dedicated to prep soccer who was seeing 5-6 games every week could probably pick decent all-district and all-metro teams. But newspapers are going to want to spread out their picks to keep their customers happy. And especially in today's media environment, no reporter is seeing that much soccer. They've got basketball to cover, too.
Coaches who bring their teams to a few big tournaments probably get to see teams from different parts of the state, but realistically you're only going to play against maybe a third of the teams in your division. Maybe you get a chance to watch another couple teams if you've got some spare time when you're in a tournament. And obviously you can go to the state finals and watch those games. And throw in the fact that you may have coached against some of those kids in club. But even with all of that, you're only seeing those kids once or twice in the course of a year. For the real standouts, that's enough. For most players? You're not going to know enough to make the tough decisions and deal with the final few spots. You may have a great keeper on a very good team, but she does nothing because her team has 90% of the possession. Same thing for a lot of defenders. If we had buy-in from every single coach in a division, maybe things would work out perfectly, but we clearly don't have that. Even in a normal year, not everyone is taking the time to go through this process.
And stats are nice--I wish more teams would use maxpreps--but they don't always mean much. You can leave your star striker to pile up goals in mercy rule games, or you can pull your starters. I think we know which is more sportsmanlike. You can't just say "This girl scored 50 goals, she's the best" unless you know those were meaningful goals in competitive games.
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Post by ulysses on Apr 26, 2020 21:20:42 GMT -6
Yup. You peeps are missing the whole pizza pie. Just DM me, and I will give you the full 411 on how this pooh works. Been entrenched for over 7+ years now. Don’t know now you you know .......
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Post by dme1214 on Apr 26, 2020 23:59:41 GMT -6
Yup. You peeps are missing the whole pizza pie. Just DM me, and I will give you the full 411 on how this pooh works. Been entrenched for over 7+ years now. Don’t know now you you know ....... Yup 7 years in this HS soccer world and 12 years of competitive soccer. Just one more to go, then who knows, I’ll probably need a support group of ‘retired’ soccer dads, just to get through the withdrawals!! |
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Post by coach77 on Apr 27, 2020 8:54:19 GMT -6
Here’s another interesting result from LHSSCA:
Coach of the Year!
The Northshore High girls coach does the following:
-1st Year at the Helm
-Plays arguably the toughest schedule (see power rankings)
-Goes undefeated!
-Wins the State Championship!
-Plays the “selected” Coach of the Year winner twice and goes 2-0 against him and out scores his team 7-2
-NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
Will just have to try harder to win this coveted award . . .
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Post by ulysses on Apr 27, 2020 21:40:14 GMT -6
Here’s another interesting result from LHSSCA: Coach of the Year! The Northshore High girls coach does the following: -1st Year at the Helm -Plays arguably the toughest schedule (see power rankings) -Goes undefeated! -Wins the State Championship! -Plays the “selected” Coach of the Year winner twice and goes 2-0 against him and out scores his team 7-2 -NOT GOOD ENOUGH! Will just have to try harder to win this coveted award . . . Missed your chance. This team will not win it again until at least 2050. Laz was a solid pick for COY, but it just was not in the cards. Trophy’s trump accolades for 99% of the population. Great season for Laz and Slide11. The mayor personally called me and told me how proud that he was. |
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Post by coachguam on Apr 28, 2020 10:26:57 GMT -6
Here’s another interesting result from LHSSCA: Coach of the Year! The Northshore High girls coach does the following: -1st Year at the Helm -Plays arguably the toughest schedule (see power rankings) -Goes undefeated! -Wins the State Championship! -Plays the “selected” Coach of the Year winner twice and goes 2-0 against him and out scores his team 7-2 -NOT GOOD ENOUGH! Will just have to try harder to win this coveted award . . . Missed your chance. This team will not win it again until at least 2050. Laz was a solid pick for COY, but it just was not in the cards. Trophy’s trump accolades for 99% of the population. Great season for Laz and Slide11. The mayor personally called me and told me how proud that he was. |
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Post by coachguam on Apr 28, 2020 10:32:04 GMT -6
Don't know about 2050 for next state championship, that program is stacked and will be stacked for many years to come... Within the next three years they will make another run. The landscape has changed in Division I and some will need to get therapy to deal with the new normal.
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Post by wewuzrobbed on Apr 28, 2020 16:17:37 GMT -6
Don't know about 2050 for next state championship, that program is stacked and will be stacked for many years to come... Within the next three years they will make another run. The landscape has changed in Division I and some will need to get therapy to deal with the new normal. Easy to proclaim from the relative safety of D3. Let NS win at least 2 in a row before we spew the mighty D1 predictions. |
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Post by alto1smom on Apr 28, 2020 17:29:42 GMT -6
I noticed your kid made Div 4 O-MVP (although it could have easily went to Cazalot as well) and figured your loudmouth would make an appearance sooner or later. |
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Post by coachguam on Apr 28, 2020 17:38:59 GMT -6
Don't know about 2050 for next state championship, that program is stacked and will be stacked for many years to come... Within the next three years they will make another run. The landscape has changed in Division I and some will need to get therapy to deal with the new normal. Easy to proclaim from the relative safety of D3. Let NS win at least 2 in a row before we spew the mighty D1 predictions. Like I said, the D1 landscape is changing and I have never been much for staying safe... |
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Post by alto1smom on Apr 28, 2020 17:39:39 GMT -6
I noticed your kid made Div 4 O-MVP (although it could have easily went to Cazalot as well) and figured your loudmouth would make an appearance sooner or later. At least my set is larger than yours and I don't hide behind a moniker, everyone has always known who I am. Loudmouth I am, but coward I am not. This post is about transparency and clearly several issues came out of my post so I will continue to advocate for children loudly. The last time a raised sand on here was for a young little girl LSA rules and hours were hurting. I scream and it is never for my own kid! My girls always know as BLACK girls they have to show up three times better, no excuses and absolutely no ENTITLEMENT! Humble, and always stand up for others while being respectful. Clearly in your ignorance you thought my post was about children. Let me break it down and cure your ignorance, my issue is with adults who make selfish decisions and hurt children! I don't have to like an adult, but no child should be hurt or treated unfairly when we know it! I love those Mt. Carmel girls and wish you guys the best for next season. Tell your daughter I miss her and can't wait to her and the rest of the gang soon. |
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Post by alto1smom on Apr 28, 2020 18:49:38 GMT -6
Don't know if I completely agree with the original emotionally driven post that started this, because it seems kind of personally motivated toward what I am suspecting is the perceived slight of their kid. Agree with one point, would like to see posting stats after each game required if you want your players/coaches considered for honors. Although it is a valid point that stats can be inflated if you play week teams, it is also true that the stats can be weighed/measured to the competition by coaches when making decisions. As a coach, I have always had my teams stats posted in Max Preps knowing that it might put me at a slight disadvantage when playing teams that don't. However, it does offer a validation that coaches, players, parents and potential scouts could review/reference when needed. Additionally, it offers a way to help separate substance from subjectivity in some of these tough decisions. I know some coaches don't want to post their rosters and stats for tactical reasons, but I think this is a cop out. If you are a good coach, and your team is a good team you should win on your performance not on trying to hide from your stats positive or negative. Any excuse not to post, is usually based on insecurity in your coaching/teams ability. Also agree there should be a 1st and 2nd team for All-State with the numbers submitted if that is true... Coach most people know my daughters are Alex Thomas, arguably the most decorated female soccer player this state has produced to date and Tori Thomas who is now playing well and the state has been extremely supportive of her efforts and accomplishments on the field with votes and honors. So NO this is not about my kids I NEVER ADVOCATE for my kids, it's about the other kids who are slighted or overlooked. |
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Post by ulysses on Apr 29, 2020 6:12:02 GMT -6
Don't know if I completely agree with the original emotionally driven post that started this, because it seems kind of personally motivated toward what I am suspecting is the perceived slight of their kid. Agree with one point, would like to see posting stats after each game required if you want your players/coaches considered for honors. Although it is a valid point that stats can be inflated if you play week teams, it is also true that the stats can be weighed/measured to the competition by coaches when making decisions. As a coach, I have always had my teams stats posted in Max Preps knowing that it might put me at a slight disadvantage when playing teams that don't. However, it does offer a validation that coaches, players, parents and potential scouts could review/reference when needed. Additionally, it offers a way to help separate substance from subjectivity in some of these tough decisions. I know some coaches don't want to post their rosters and stats for tactical reasons, but I think this is a cop out. If you are a good coach, and your team is a good team you should win on your performance not on trying to hide from your stats positive or negative. Any excuse not to post, is usually based on insecurity in your coaching/teams ability. Also agree there should be a 1st and 2nd team for All-State with the numbers submitted if that is true... Coach most people know my daughters are Alex Thomas, arguably the most decorated female soccer player this state has produced to date and Tori Thomas who is now playing well and the state has been extremely supportive of her efforts and accomplishments on the field with votes and honors. So NO this is not about my kids I NEVER ADVOCATE for my kids, it's about the other kids who are slighted or overlooked. And I just threw up in my mouth again you narcissistic old bat. Call the Po-leese. |
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Post by ulysses on Apr 29, 2020 6:16:30 GMT -6
Easy to proclaim from the relative safety of D3. Let NS win at least 2 in a row before we spew the mighty D1 predictions. Like I said, the D1 landscape is changing and I have never been much for staying safe... Guambaba, the daily and nightly quarantine spirits have made you extremely delusional Big Papi. Read my lips, “Twenty Fifty!” Dee to the three Big Boy. |
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Post by youthsoccerfan on Apr 29, 2020 12:11:39 GMT -6
The formula is simple. Coach your kids team. Convince a group of good players along with your kid to leave a club and create your own Recruit and bring in the better players within a 100 mile radius. Win weak tournaments in club and promote your kid as much as possible. Get in tight with everyone who has influence and can vote for kid to be “all whatever”. It works! In Louisiana. This is a comment from someone who created this account today to bash a coach in a public forum. I can only imagine that the sorry sos behind this post is one of the parents or coaches who never beat the coach they are bashing. pitiful... |
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Post by alto1smom on Apr 29, 2020 19:03:45 GMT -6
Coach most people know my daughters are Alex Thomas, arguably the most decorated female soccer player this state has produced to date and Tori Thomas who is now playing well and the state has been extremely supportive of her efforts and accomplishments on the field with votes and honors. So NO this is not about my kids I NEVER ADVOCATE for my kids, it's about the other kids who are slighted or overlooked. And I just threw up in my mouth again you narcissistic old bat. Call the Po-leese. Call me. I don’t believe in name calling and hiding let’s talk in person. FYI Facts are facts hide your envy better. Brian I’m still happy for your baby Mary’s lil accomplishments this year😉 |
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