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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 20, 2021 6:32:35 GMT -6
1) The problem is training and correct selecting of individuals equipped to ref. This comment says you believe there is an abundance of folks trying to be refs. Based on threads on this board I am quite sure this is incorrect.
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Post by ski on Jan 20, 2021 6:46:36 GMT -6
hostia-
Very simple, if it truly matters that much to you.....stop complaining and be part of the solution.
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Post by wildcatstriker on Jan 20, 2021 6:51:09 GMT -6
2) I will wager that @timetoretire has been told, in a calm grown up voice, “that was a bad call” by a parent is far fewer than the number of men who have walked on the moon. Oh, it's not close - there have been many more, including other parents from that same team "hostia" represents. Some on this forum have sent me messages after their games and I didn't mind at all. Some coaches send video, sometimes of my game, sometimes of others that they want opinions on. And a good percentage of the time, they're pretty cordial about it. The presentation typically decides what response they get. I don't mind those who want to understand the "why" behind the call. I am sure that happens a lot. And I believe most want the feedback via video if available to help them get better. But this question was about during a game, someone simply telling you “that was a bad call” without profanity, insults, inflection, or emotion. Even when you make a good call, I typically hear the sarcasm in the voices of people who say it was, typically because they believe you have missed several leading up to it.
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Post by wildcatstriker on Jan 20, 2021 8:36:59 GMT -6
hostia - make you a deal. You sign up and I will sign up. We can be the next Esse Bahamrest and Gino Dipolitto.
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Post by time2retire on Jan 20, 2021 8:55:43 GMT -6
hostia - make you a deal. You sign up and I will sign up. We can be the next Esse Bahamrest and Gino Dipolitto. Promise I’ll be there also
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Post by Soccerboy123 on Jan 20, 2021 9:25:18 GMT -6
I had a good one that I yelled at the ref today: "If you were in the right zip code, you might actually be able to see the ball!"
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Post by time2retire on Jan 20, 2021 15:51:28 GMT -6
My area is the only one to have not lost numbers this year. It’s still a struggle to put 3 refs on all games. And on slow nights my group offers to help in other areas so they can have 3 refs, or we send an entire crew sometimes to work games in other areas to help out.
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Post by customcreator on Jan 20, 2021 19:07:39 GMT -6
you lot are immature grown men, not surprising. Said teacher that cant teach, No notes for you. Com'on princess your child is not a star and it's his own fault for not taking the time to work up in the ranks. Try harder next time.
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Post by gallstar on Jan 20, 2021 19:08:47 GMT -6
hostia - make you a deal. You sign up and I will sign up. We can be the next Esse Bahamrest and Gino Dipolitto. get a room!
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Post by Tank on Jan 20, 2021 19:34:59 GMT -6
You guys never take anything seriously...
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Post by MiaSanMia on Jan 21, 2021 7:12:08 GMT -6
One thing that officiating does is teaches people how to handle stressful situations, a skill that can be used in any career. It has definitely helped me in mine. I can answer for my group when I say we have continuous learning sessions (that are really open to anyone) and on-site mentorship that doesn’t cost a referee one extra cent. So you get that additional training and guidance in both club and HS games. I’ve probably watched as many or more than I’ve worked this year. I’d put my first year guys up against anyone else’s no problem. What does a referee running center in a high school game make per game? Approximately and do they get paid for their gas or travel time? For the New Orleans area, the breakdown is 65/45/45 for a 3-man crew and 60/60 for duels. The travel fee is typically $30 and that is split evenly between the crew, so for a 3-man it would be $10 for each of them and $15 a piece for a duel. Some of the outlying schools have a little more on the travel side but the difference is pretty small. I also take part in time2retire's continuous learning sessions. This is one part of the whole COVID thing I really like, that we can do that in the comfort of our own homes via Zoom instead of making time to travel over an hour each way all the way down to the Bayou guys' territory.
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Post by Skippers on Jan 21, 2021 7:35:27 GMT -6
What does a referee running center in a high school game make per game? Approximately and do they get paid for their gas or travel time? For the New Orleans area, the breakdown is 65/45/45 for a 3-man crew and 60/60 for duels. The travel fee is typically $30 and that is split evenly between the crew, so for a 3-man it would be $10 for each of them and $15 a piece for a duel. Some of the outlying schools have a little more on the travel side but the difference is pretty small. I also take part in time2retire's continuous learning sessions. This is one part of the whole COVID thing I really like, that we can do that in the comfort of our own homes via Zoom instead of making time to travel over an hour each way all the way down to the Bayou guys' territory. With that said, Refs usually do 2 (sometimes even 3) games a night. So, we are looking at minimum $100 for 190 minutes (+3 hours) of work (40x2, 40x2, 30 min total travel). These numbers fluctuate a bit.
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Post by kevin on Jan 21, 2021 11:02:22 GMT -6
For the New Orleans area, the breakdown is 65/45/45 for a 3-man crew and 60/60 for duels. The travel fee is typically $30 and that is split evenly between the crew, so for a 3-man it would be $10 for each of them and $15 a piece for a duel. Some of the outlying schools have a little more on the travel side but the difference is pretty small. I also take part in time2retire's continuous learning sessions. This is one part of the whole COVID thing I really like, that we can do that in the comfort of our own homes via Zoom instead of making time to travel over an hour each way all the way down to the Bayou guys' territory. With that said, Refs usually do 2 (sometimes even 3) games a night. So, we are looking at minimum $100 for 190 minutes (+3 hours) of work (40x2, 40x2, 30 min total travel). These numbers fluctuate a bit. I wouldn't say refs are "usually" working 2 or 3 games this year. So many teams are cancelling games or playing very few JV games. Mandeville's district plays a lot of boys/girls varsity doubleheaders, but most schools don't. Also, many schools with varsity doubleheaders schedule games two hours apart (e.g. 5 pm and 7 pm.). So it's not really 3 hours of work, it's more like show up 30 minutes early (yes, I know this doesn't always happen because refs are coming from work or other games), work a game, wait another 30 minutes, then work the second game. So you're probably there 4:30-8:30, plus travel time (which often means driving across the river or the lake or both). And I'm sure that the average travel time (at least in New Orleans) is more than 30 minutes a night. So a ref is looking at $100 (sometimes more if you have a center or dual) for 4-5 hours. $20-$25 an hour. And that's for a physically demanding job that requires precise knowledge of a complicated rule book, the stability to deal with getting yelled at, and the emotional knowledge to keep a bunch of teenagers from killing each other.
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Post by Skippers on Jan 21, 2021 12:49:44 GMT -6
With that said, Refs usually do 2 (sometimes even 3) games a night. So, we are looking at minimum $100 for 190 minutes (+3 hours) of work (40x2, 40x2, 30 min total travel). These numbers fluctuate a bit. I wouldn't say refs are "usually" working 2 or 3 games this year. So many teams are cancelling games or playing very few JV games. Mandeville's district plays a lot of boys/girls varsity doubleheaders, but most schools don't. Also, many schools with varsity doubleheaders schedule games two hours apart (e.g. 5 pm and 7 pm.). So it's not really 3 hours of work, it's more like show up 30 minutes early (yes, I know this doesn't always happen because refs are coming from work or other games), work a game, wait another 30 minutes, then work the second game. So you're probably there 4:30-8:30, plus travel time (which often means driving across the river or the lake or both). And I'm sure that the average travel time (at least in New Orleans) is more than 30 minutes a night. So a ref is looking at $100 (sometimes more if you have a center or dual) for 4-5 hours. $20-$25 an hour. And that's for a physically demanding job that requires precise knowledge of a complicated rule book, the stability to deal with getting yelled at, and the emotional knowledge to keep a bunch of teenagers from killing each other. I guess that's why the ref crew seemed very happy this year when we had a triple header almost for every match day in the beginning.
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Post by time2retire on Jan 24, 2021 12:53:12 GMT -6
We now have 19 new referees statewide that took a zoom class this weekend.
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Post by firebruin on Jan 24, 2021 17:12:38 GMT -6
The one that I joked about being in the wrong zip code was our ref again for my son's middle school game yesterday. I guess he took it to heart because this time, he stood in the middle of the box DURING a corner kick directly in the path of the ball. He wanted to make sure he was inside the action. Multiple times...
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Post by fillup76 on Jan 24, 2021 18:25:13 GMT -6
The one that I joked about being in the wrong zip code was our ref again for my son's middle school game yesterday. I guess he took it to heart because this time, he stood in the middle of the box DURING a corner kick directly in the path of the ball. He wanted to make sure he was inside the action. Multiple times... at least he moved out of the middle circle
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Post by footy on Jan 24, 2021 20:31:31 GMT -6
We now have 19 new referees statewide that took a zoom class this weekend. How effective do you think the zoom class will be? My guess is that would make it easier to offer classes without specific scheduled days for specific areas.
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Post by firebruin on Jan 24, 2021 21:05:43 GMT -6
The one that I joked about being in the wrong zip code was our ref again for my son's middle school game yesterday. I guess he took it to heart because this time, he stood in the middle of the box DURING a corner kick directly in the path of the ball. He wanted to make sure he was inside the action. Multiple times... at least he moved out of the middle circle It was a dual ref match.... he never really left between the goal and the top of the 18...
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Post by time2retire on Jan 24, 2021 21:25:05 GMT -6
We now have 19 new referees statewide that took a zoom class this weekend. How effective do you think the zoom class will be? My guess is that would make it easier to offer classes without specific scheduled days for specific areas. It does make for easier scheduling without having people tied to a potential one day per year that they may or may not miss for whatever reason, then never think to reschedule another one. These zoom sessions for new referees, we try to limit how many attend to about 10, but we can schedule several per week. In person courses, I would teach anywhere between 25-40 per class, once or twice a year in my area, and sometimes other areas that could not provide an available instructor. The time has been condensed to 2 hours but we have gone over that allotment every zoom class, because it's just not enough time to cover the things that need to be talked about or demonstrated. We are fine tuning this process to take a little off here, add a little here - eventually, we will figure out a way to put this into a 2 hour zoom. Looking ahead about 2-3 years, US Soccer will create a new mentor program/position that will fill the gap between the new course and the regional badge. To me, this is the biggest deficiency, once new referees pass the course they would find an assignor and start working, and may or may not work with someone who can help with their development. The mentor program looks to fill this gap with a mix of old instructors/assessors and new mentors. A program very similar to the one I've been doing on the bayou in the past 6 years, and our experience with it has been shared with many. We have been very fortunate to have club and school cooperation for our training requests and our training program is seen as a trailblazing model. I must say, I beam with pride when I talk about Bayou Soccer Referees. If I have it my way, each club will have a dedicated mentor.
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