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Post by OPHSLadyLions on Mar 4, 2021 10:22:28 GMT -6
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Post by LAsoccercoach on Mar 6, 2021 8:53:40 GMT -6
U.S. Youth Soccer recommends that during tournaments: “Players under the age of 12 should not play more than 100 minutes per day, and those players older than 13 should not play more than 120 minutes per day.”
There are tournaments on this list where participating teams could potentially play 150-180 minutes per day, some finalist 200-240 minutes in one day!
I only speak for myself and my team but the risk for injury outweighs the benefits of a tournament once 120min per day is surpassed. I would strongly suggest all coaches and tournament directors to do some research for yourself if you disagree.
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Post by coachguam on Mar 6, 2021 11:04:16 GMT -6
U.S. Youth Soccer recommends that during tournaments: “Players under the age of 12 should not play more than 100 minutes per day, and those players older than 13 should not play more than 120 minutes per day.” There are tournaments on this list where participating teams could potentially play 150-180 minutes per day, some finalist 200-240 minutes in one day! I only speak for myself and my team but the risk for injury outweighs the benefits of a tournament once 120min per day is surpassed. I would strongly suggest all coaches and tournament directors to do some research for yourself if you disagree. Agree, I saw that some of these tournaments have the possibility of teams playing 3 games in one day. This is the kind of circumstance that exposes players to likely fatigue related injuries, so not sure there is wisdom in this framework. Players should never play more than 2 games a day, even if they are abbreviated matches. As it is, we are already playing around 25 matches in a four month period which is already pushing the limits of sound work loads/rest cycles etc. Throw that in with the reality that the high school game is more physical than it probably should be, because many teams make up for their lack of technical abilities by increasing physical reckless play. Not putting this ALL on the tournaments, but we need to sanity check things before we make high school soccer anymore of a risk for these players... Would love to see the powers at be (LHSAA vs LSA) get together and create an environment that looks out for the players overall interest rather than their individual entities interests. Strongly believe that both high school and club soccer should co-exist, and each have their purpose. However, the competition for the players time/energy between both club and high school sets them up for failure and likely injury. This is not impossible to change, but it requires some concessions by LHSAA and LSA to occur in order to find the right balance. Can't wait to see the darts being thrown on this one.
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Post by dualdellortos on Mar 6, 2021 12:07:18 GMT -6
Or, just don’t play your first 11, over and over and over......
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Post by coachguam on Mar 6, 2021 12:31:26 GMT -6
For those that have that luxury, sure. Some programs don't have these numbers you are eluding to, and every game counts the same. Most sensible coaches do exactly that in tournaments once they feel the game is decided regardless of how many matches. However, I will entertain your assertion and challenge you to this. Do some research from reputable SOCCER authority sources (USSF, USCA, FIFA, EUFA etc...) and find a reference in which that format is recommended or encouraged. Don't think you will come back as quickly with a one sentence answer, remember it must be a reputable SOCCER authority (not NFHS). OR I can save you some time, it doesn't exist. In fact, there are several examples of where it explicitly warns against such scenarios. However, if we look hard enough I think we can find excuses and justifications to make us feel better about the practice. I guess it comes down to "not what we can do", but instead "what we should do".
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Post by dualdellortos on Mar 6, 2021 20:17:22 GMT -6
I am with you on the minutes, I was not disagreeing. I understand that many teams don’t have 20-25 players on varsity or don’t have enough skill to play at that level. But if you are saying players shouldn’t play over 120 minutes in a day and a team has the resources to play 180 minutes in a day while keeping individuals under 120, isn’t that in line with what you are saying?
I don’t believe I have to find a legitimate source for that. You already provided one. Or am I missing something?
Also, are you referring to year round play minutes when you mention LSA and LHSAA getting together? With the no concurrent play rule, hasn’t overplay with LSA and LHSAA in their respective seasons been addressed? I am not sure what you are getting at there?
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Post by coachguam on Mar 7, 2021 14:01:07 GMT -6
I am with you on the minutes, I was not disagreeing. I understand that many teams don’t have 20-25 players on varsity or don’t have enough skill to play at that level. But if you are saying players shouldn’t play over 120 minutes in a day and a team has the resources to play 180 minutes in a day while keeping individuals under 120, isn’t that in line with what you are saying? I don’t believe I have to find a legitimate source for that. You already provided one. Or am I missing something? Also, are you referring to year round play minutes when you mention LSA and LHSAA getting together? With the no concurrent play rule, hasn’t overplay with LSA and LHSAA in their respective seasons been addressed? I am not sure what you are getting at there? Apologies if I misunderstood your response, to be clear my assertion is simply this...I do not believe it is a good idea to have a tournament framework that creates the possibility of a third game in a day. My rational was that it puts players in a potentially bad situation that would leave them vulnerable to fatigue injuries. I acknowledge and agree that a way to mitigate the risk is to play more of your bench, but my concern is that many programs do not have enough players to execute this strategy. Also acknowledge that coaches can lose sight of the toll on players, especially if the matches leading up to that fourth match were challenging. Additionally, I also believe in high school programs there will be coaches who have not been trained/certified appropriately to identify and avoid this risk and will foolishly lead their players into this scenario. My suggested solution is for tournaments to limit the amount of games that a team plays in a day to just two, and this is based on the overwhelming available data from reputable soccer sources that the practice of playing over 120 minutes in a day is NOT recommended. Finally, the tournament should take the responsibility of ensuring they do not directly/indirectly create an environment that could potential lead players into this trap.
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Post by dualdellortos on Mar 8, 2021 9:23:31 GMT -6
Coach Guam - Food for thought
Texas restricts play time in high school.
Day -
Two games max - unless you have pool games that are no longer than 20 minute halves, in which case you may play three pool games and one full length game.
Week -
Two games per week (only one allowed on a school night meaning there is school the following day). A tournament may be counted in place of a weekend game. You may still play your week night game as your 1st game of the week.
Games -
21 maximum. Tournament may be counted as two games up to a maximum of three tournaments. You are allowed to miss instructional time for tournament games, allowing games to be played on Thursday or Friday during the day.
So, 21 games with no tournaments 19 games with 1 tournament 17 games with 2 tournaments 15 games with three tournaments
There are 7 rounds in the play-offs to crown a state champion.
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Post by msouth7278 on Mar 8, 2021 17:32:24 GMT -6
Lion cup will be Dec 16th-18. This is a 3 max Max tournament
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Post by Timbertwin on Mar 8, 2021 20:28:31 GMT -6
Mandeville Holiday Classic covington HS (newly installed turf field) and added fields at CYSA as needed December 27-28 (29 if needed). Sean.Esker@stpsb.org or 504-913-9283 3 game max
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Post by msouth7278 on Mar 9, 2021 19:14:53 GMT -6
could you place a hyper link on the Lion cup please.
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Post by OPHSLadyLions on Mar 10, 2021 8:19:07 GMT -6
Updated
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Post by futbalfan on Mar 10, 2021 8:36:43 GMT -6
It’s Ascension Christian.
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Post by coachjb on Mar 10, 2021 9:13:05 GMT -6
We will be hosting our annual tournament at Central Lafourche High School. Our schedule and dates will be a little different this year. We will try to expand our tournament by having another local school Co - Host in order to get all our games on turf and have up to 16 teams in our tournament. If we cannot Co - Host our tournament will be limited to only 10 entries.
Our tournament will be on Wednesday Nov. 17th, Thursday Nov.18th (Friday Nov. 19th only if I have another school co-host) and Saturday Nov. 20th.
Entry Fee will be 300 per team Every game will have 3 officials Every team will get 3 games (1 on Wednesday or 1 on Thursday or (possibly Friday) and 2 games on Saturday.
Committed teams
1. Central Lafourche 2. Dominican 3. Mandeville 4. Northshore 5. Hahnville 6. Louis McGehee 7. EDW 8. South Terrebonne 9. Vandebilt
If you are interested in attending our tournament please email me at jeblanchard@mylpsd.com
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Post by msouth7278 on Mar 10, 2021 16:14:13 GMT -6
thank you. It’s Ascension Christian.
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Post by rainman19 on Mar 13, 2021 19:52:29 GMT -6
Bulldog Invitational Dec 9-11 Moore Park (Lafayette/Carencro)
For our 4th annual tourney we will be playing a 3 game total format making the 3rd game the final.
Varsity 18 Girls and 18 Boys teams 3 divisions (gold, silver, and bronze) 2 groups in each division with 3 teams per group Top 2 teams in the groups play final Saturday
-$300 Entry Fee-
Junior Var. Boys Division Max # 12teams -$200 Entry Fee-
Registration deadline Nov 1st
If interested please contact Coach Kenneth Rainey David Thibodaux Girls Soccer at Kahrain@cox.net
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Post by dualdellortos on Apr 7, 2021 6:25:54 GMT -6
bump
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Post by dualdellortos on May 4, 2021 11:01:08 GMT -6
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