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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 11:46:03 GMT -6
I'm curious to know thoughts on this? With both programs having similar dates that conflict with each other, it seems a choice will have to be made.
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Post by viewgator91 on Mar 9, 2021 12:08:21 GMT -6
I'm curious to know thoughts on this? With both programs having similar dates that conflict with each other, it seems a choice will have to be made. Dynamo TDP is only open to those players of member clubs (BRSC, Lafayette Dynamo, NOLA Dynamo, SYSC) and then a small percentage of spots (a few per team) to outside members. So ODP may be the only choice for some. I do know kids that did both last season. If money isn't an issue, both... Exposure is different, but great for both. ODP is more regional exposure and TDP is direct Houston Dynamo exposure. TDP is cheap ($250/season) and you get a few training sessions and the main event (Dynamo Experience for the younger group and a big tournament for the older groups). ODP is more of a statewide player pull/pool so the talent naturally should be higher if the LA Fire, MSC, CYSA, STYSA, Rush, etc... kids are participating. Price was recently restructured here but still gets into the 1k-1500 range if you participate in all the events. Even higher if you get selected regionally... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 12:14:44 GMT -6
I'm curious to know thoughts on this? With both programs having similar dates that conflict with each other, it seems a choice will have to be made. Dynamo TDP is only open to those players of member clubs (BRSC, Lafayette Dynamo, NOLA Dynamo, SYSC) and then a small percentage of spots (a few per team) to outside members. So ODP may be the only choice for some. I do know kids that did both last season. If money isn't an issue, both... Exposure is different, but great for both. ODP is more regional exposure and TDP is direct Houston Dynamo exposure. TDP is cheap ($250/season) and you get a few training sessions and the main event (Dynamo Experience for the younger group and a big tournament for the older groups). ODP is more of a statewide player pull/pool so the talent naturally should be higher if the LA Fire, MSC, CYSA, STYSA, Rush, etc... kids are participating. Price was recently restructured here but still gets into the 1k-1500 range if you participate in all the events. Even higher if you get selected regionally... Ideally we would do both, but they have the same dates for ODP & TDP's big training weekends. It's not worth spending the money on both if we can't make the important events. |
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Post by shadowman06 on Mar 9, 2021 19:41:36 GMT -6
I'm curious to know thoughts on this? With both programs having similar dates that conflict with each other, it seems a choice will have to be made. I wouldn’t invest the money in ODP. It hasn’t been relevant for years, and quite frankly, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it didn’t completely disappear soon. If you can do TDP, I think it’s a better investment. If not, I would rather seek a really top tier Camp for your player. You can typically find some really good options in the Dallas or Houston areas. I believe either of these 2 options will be more beneficial for a player than ODP, and more affordable! |
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Post by tony on Mar 10, 2021 7:54:55 GMT -6
I'm curious to know thoughts on this? With both programs having similar dates that conflict with each other, it seems a choice will have to be made. I wouldn’t invest the money in ODP. It hasn’t been relevant for years, and quite frankly, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it didn’t completely disappear soon. If you can do TDP, I think it’s a better investment. If not, I would rather seek a really top tier Camp for your player. You can typically find some really good options in the Dallas or Houston areas. I believe either of these 2 options will be more beneficial for a player than ODP, and more affordable!
ODP did have MLS Academy scouts from several different clubs at their training events in Baton Rouge last year. Players received MLS Academy tryout invites from being scouted at training events in Baton Rouge last year. The tournaments and regional events for the older teams were cancelled due to covid, so we don't know how those would have turned out. I think ODP is a viable path for players looking to move up...
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Post by copakid14 on Mar 10, 2021 10:59:42 GMT -6
I wouldn’t invest the money in ODP. It hasn’t been relevant for years, and quite frankly, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it didn’t completely disappear soon. If you can do TDP, I think it’s a better investment. If not, I would rather seek a really top tier Camp for your player. You can typically find some really good options in the Dallas or Houston areas. I believe either of these 2 options will be more beneficial for a player than ODP, and more affordable!
ODP did have MLS Academy scouts from several different clubs at their training events in Baton Rouge last year. Players received MLS Academy tryout invites from being scouted at training events in Baton Rouge last year. The tournaments and regional events for the older teams were cancelled due to covid, so we don't know how those would have turned out. I think ODP is a viable path for players looking to move up...
One of the things I like about the older ODP groups this year is that you play on a scramble team at the event. So instead of selecting teams, players are selected and trained by position. It is unique to get that specific functional training and then have the opportunity to play with other states. For example a left back from LA could be grouped with FL central defender, TN midfielder, GA forward etc. I think this will help in the negative bias that has sometimes been associated with LA in terms of regional exposure. |
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Post by shadowman06 on Mar 10, 2021 12:15:35 GMT -6
I wouldn’t invest the money in ODP. It hasn’t been relevant for years, and quite frankly, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it didn’t completely disappear soon. If you can do TDP, I think it’s a better investment. If not, I would rather seek a really top tier Camp for your player. You can typically find some really good options in the Dallas or Houston areas. I believe either of these 2 options will be more beneficial for a player than ODP, and more affordable!
ODP did have MLS Academy scouts from several different clubs at their training events in Baton Rouge last year. Players received MLS Academy tryout invites from being scouted at training events in Baton Rouge last year. The tournaments and regional events for the older teams were cancelled due to covid, so we don't know how those would have turned out. I think ODP is a viable path for players looking to move up...
Which MLS teams had Coaches or Scouts there? I’ve only seen Houston Dynamo representatives at these events. |
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Post by firebruin on Mar 10, 2021 12:20:55 GMT -6
Philadelphia Union and a couple of others...
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Post by copakid14 on Mar 10, 2021 12:24:04 GMT -6
ODP did have MLS Academy scouts from several different clubs at their training events in Baton Rouge last year. Players received MLS Academy tryout invites from being scouted at training events in Baton Rouge last year. The tournaments and regional events for the older teams were cancelled due to covid, so we don't know how those would have turned out. I think ODP is a viable path for players looking to move up...
Which MLS teams had Coaches or Scouts there? I’ve only seen Houston Dynamo representatives at these events. Cincinnati FC Nashville SC Philadelphia Union |
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Post by shadowman06 on Mar 10, 2021 12:45:30 GMT -6
I guess you have to do the math and decide what is best for your young player. We participated in ODP for many years. I never really thought the experience or development garnered from ODP justified the expense. If you add up the fee’s plus travel and uniforms etc, your looking at thousands of dollars. Then there’s the fact that many of the States in Region III have a local Academy or “DA” which means your basically playing second tier teams from Texas, Tennessee, Florida etc. I feel there is better options for your $. Just my opinion
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Post by firebruin on Mar 10, 2021 12:55:55 GMT -6
The competition level at the recent 07/08/09 ODP events was lower than our normal club team games other than the Georgia teams. Even those weren't overly skilled technically, but they were definitely of the bigger/stronger/faster variety. That being said, it was still a good experience for my son. North Texas has a 12 year old that is 6'2" with a full beard.  |
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Post by lasoccerbaw on Mar 10, 2021 14:38:23 GMT -6
The competition level at the recent 07/08/09 ODP events was lower than our normal club team games other than the Georgia teams. Even those weren't overly skilled technically, but they were definitely of the bigger/stronger/faster variety. That being said, it was still a good experience for my son. North Texas has a 12 year old that is 6'2" with a full beard. In those younger age groups there still a lot of quality in ODP because the academies haven’t yet grabbed everyone, so you’ll still find them in club ball and ODP. |
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Post by Soccerboy123 on Mar 10, 2021 17:58:16 GMT -6
The competition level at the recent 07/08/09 ODP events was lower than our normal club team games other than the Georgia teams. Even those weren't overly skilled technically, but they were definitely of the bigger/stronger/faster variety. That being said, it was still a good experience for my son. North Texas has a 12 year old that is 6'2" with a full beard. if your son needs a personal trainer just private message me |
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Post by LAsoccercoach on Jun 22, 2021 18:32:48 GMT -6
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Post by firebruin on Jun 23, 2021 12:23:09 GMT -6
That article is over a year old. |
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Post by shadowman06 on Jun 24, 2021 5:49:35 GMT -6
ODP is and has been obsolete for many years now. I don’t believe anyone attached to anything MLS has any interest in the program. The idea that college coaches value anything about ODP at this point is doubtful.
Very recently I attended a D-1 Men’s College ID Camp on the East Coast. I was speaking with another Father who lived in the area that the College is located. I asked him a bit about the program and if his Son was attending any other D-1 Camps this Summer? Here is what he told me: “I told him that I would bring him to this camp, however, I also told him it was going to really be an uphill battle for him! You know, all these D-1 Coaches only recruit from MLS Next. We play in the ECNL and these D-1 programs stopped recruiting from the League a few years ago.”
I assume he is knowledgeable about this as he lives in the area where there are about 8 D-1 Men’s programs in a 100 mile radius.
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Post by copakid14 on Jun 24, 2021 9:31:05 GMT -6
ODP is and has been obsolete for many years now. I don’t believe anyone attached to anything MLS has any interest in the program. The idea that college coaches value anything about ODP at this point is doubtful. Very recently I attended a D-1 Men’s College ID Camp on the East Coast. I was speaking with another Father who lived in the area that the College is located. I asked him a bit about the program and if his Son was attending any other D-1 Camps this Summer? Here is what he told me: “I told him that I would bring him to this camp, however, I also told him it was going to really be an uphill battle for him! You know, all these D-1 Coaches only recruit from MLS Next. We play in the ECNL and these D-1 programs stopped recruiting from the League a few years ago.” I assume he is knowledgeable about this as he lives in the area where there are about 8 D-1 Men’s programs in a 100 mile radius. I think this is a pretty general blanket statement. To say that college coaches don't value anything about ODP is tough to say. Many of the regional coaches at ODP are college coaches. I think there are many things about ODP that still provide value to the player. It isn't all about getting some next level training that you may not get at your club or that every player there is the best player in the state or region. Players learning how to play outside of their comfort zone of their own club team, coach, and teammates is valuable. Being able to speak up for yourself and step into a new group of players with a coach you don't know and be confident and perform is a similar process to going into a high school team, new club team, college team. If you have never been in that situation it can be hard to adapt. Many kids come home after year one because they have never been uncomfortable. Yes MLS Next is going to be a better level but to say that ODP has no value is not true. If you are simply stating does it help you get recruited, that depends on what you make of the situation. It's about networking and the more people you know and that know you the better. Also not everyone is going to be the D1 big school athlete and the level at regional camp for ODP is a good challenging level for where they are. Most of our players are D2/D3/NAIA level players and many of those level coaches are interested in the kid that goes to ODP regional camp in terms of that level. |
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Post by shadowman06 on Jun 24, 2021 21:15:05 GMT -6
ODP is and has been obsolete for many years now. I don’t believe anyone attached to anything MLS has any interest in the program. The idea that college coaches value anything about ODP at this point is doubtful. Very recently I attended a D-1 Men’s College ID Camp on the East Coast. I was speaking with another Father who lived in the area that the College is located. I asked him a bit about the program and if his Son was attending any other D-1 Camps this Summer? Here is what he told me: “I told him that I would bring him to this camp, however, I also told him it was going to really be an uphill battle for him! You know, all these D-1 Coaches only recruit from MLS Next. We play in the ECNL and these D-1 programs stopped recruiting from the League a few years ago.” I assume he is knowledgeable about this as he lives in the area where there are about 8 D-1 Men’s programs in a 100 mile radius. I think this is a pretty general blanket statement. To say that college coaches don't value anything about ODP is tough to say. Many of the regional coaches at ODP are college coaches. I think there are many things about ODP that still provide value to the player. It isn't all about getting some next level training that you may not get at your club or that every player there is the best player in the state or region. Players learning how to play outside of their comfort zone of their own club team, coach, and teammates is valuable. Being able to speak up for yourself and step into a new group of players with a coach you don't know and be confident and perform is a similar process to going into a high school team, new club team, college team. If you have never been in that situation it can be hard to adapt. Many kids come home after year one because they have never been uncomfortable. Yes MLS Next is going to be a better level but to say that ODP has no value is not true. If you are simply stating does it help you get recruited, that depends on what you make of the situation. It's about networking and the more people you know and that know you the better. Also not everyone is going to be the D1 big school athlete and the level at regional camp for ODP is a good challenging level for where they are. Most of our players are D2/D3/NAIA level players and many of those level coaches are interested in the kid that goes to ODP regional camp in terms of that level. That’s fair. I agree with much of what you say. I personally feel that Men’s College Soccer is a very strange World, especially now with the Covid situation creating players getting an extra year of eligibility. That being said, it’s becoming increasingly clear that if your player has the goal of D1 College Soccer, the pathway is extremely narrow. I’m not stating that ODP has no merit, those D1 College Coaches are saying that. I’m not saying that’s right, that’s just the way it is. |
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Post by copakid14 on Jun 24, 2021 21:24:15 GMT -6
I agree with what you are saying. The pathway is narrow so casting a larger net can only increase your chances of landing something.
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