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Post by dualdellortos on Jun 13, 2021 15:02:19 GMT -6
No need for any rule changes Cosmos. Any ambiguities you see are cleared up by the last sentence of Rule 4.2.4: Once a student becomes a member of an LHSAA team, he/she may not participate with an independent team or an organized exhibition group in the same sport. A student who is a member of an LHSAA school team may not practice with or play in a contest with an independent team in the same sport that the school team he represents is competing. Practicing with or playing on an independent team while a student is a member of the school team in the same sport shall be a violation of this rule. THIS RULE SHALL BE IN EFFECT FROM THE TIME HE/SHE REPORTS FOR THE SCHOOL TEAM UNTIL THE STUDENT IS NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THE SCHOOL TEAM FOR ANY REASON, OR UNTIL THE TEAM HAS COMPLETED ITS SPORTS SEASON INCLUDING PLAYOFFS, IF APPLICABLE. The controlling language in all of these rules is that they go into effect when the student reports, not when the sports season begins. Further, Rule 4.1.2 allows each individual coach to determine when his team's "sports season" starts: The LHSAA sports season for a school team is defined as the period beginning with the opening date of practice AS CALLED BY EACH COACH within the official starting dates and extending through the school teams last game of the season to include playoff games and state championships, if applicable, in a particular sport. LHSAA declares in the beginning of the section regarding sports seasons that its rule should not be interpreted in a manner to limit opportunities for children: 4.1.1 Philosophically, the LHSAA believes diversification or an involvement in a variety of activities is a good and wholesome thing. . . .It is not the intention of the LHSAA with its rules and interpretations in this area to limit opportunities for boys and girls. . This is exactly how our AD has explained this to me when discussing our Dallas players.
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Post by Formerhcpops on Jun 13, 2021 17:24:48 GMT -6
No need for any rule changes Cosmos. Any ambiguities you see are cleared up by the last sentence of Rule 4.2.4: Once a student becomes a member of an LHSAA team, he/she may not participate with an independent team or an organized exhibition group in the same sport. A student who is a member of an LHSAA school team may not practice with or play in a contest with an independent team in the same sport that the school team he represents is competing. Practicing with or playing on an independent team while a student is a member of the school team in the same sport shall be a violation of this rule. THIS RULE SHALL BE IN EFFECT FROM THE TIME HE/SHE REPORTS FOR THE SCHOOL TEAM UNTIL THE STUDENT IS NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THE SCHOOL TEAM FOR ANY REASON, OR UNTIL THE TEAM HAS COMPLETED ITS SPORTS SEASON INCLUDING PLAYOFFS, IF APPLICABLE. The controlling language in all of these rules is that they go into effect when the student reports, not when the sports season begins. Further, Rule 4.1.2 allows each individual coach to determine when his team's "sports season" starts: The LHSAA sports season for a school team is defined as the period beginning with the opening date of practice AS CALLED BY EACH COACH within the official starting dates and extending through the school teams last game of the season to include playoff games and state championships, if applicable, in a particular sport. LHSAA declares in the beginning of the section regarding sports seasons that its rule should not be interpreted in a manner to limit opportunities for children: 4.1.1 Philosophically, the LHSAA believes diversification or an involvement in a variety of activities is a good and wholesome thing. . . .It is not the intention of the LHSAA with its rules and interpretations in this area to limit opportunities for boys and girls. . This is exactly how our AD has explained this to me when discussing our Dallas players. Yes, this is a reasoned, policy-supported conclusion. I'm frankly baffled by any other. Well, not really baffled. You have to let the words mean what they mean. The "ruling" that started this thread? Not even relevant.
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Post by wildcatstriker on Jun 13, 2021 18:23:30 GMT -6
I remain confident that LHSAA rules do not exclude MLS Next players from playing High School.
I am also confident that MLS Next rules exclude players from playing High School.
Nothing has changed at this point concerning that.
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Post by aderitter on Jun 14, 2021 19:20:55 GMT -6
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Post by wildcatstriker on Jun 14, 2021 23:23:15 GMT -6
I remain confident that LHSAA rules do not exclude MLS Next players from playing High School. I am also confident that MLS Next rules exclude players from playing High School. Nothing has changed at this point concerning that. I want to be clear: I think MLS Next is great and needed to help many elite players get where they want to go. It does not “kill” HS soccer. It doesn’t kill club soccer. I feel the clubs (Dynamo, BRSC, Fire) are communicating the best they can and hope for things to work out. They and Bryan have been candid with all the kids what they think, but still waiting for final words. But the MLS Next clubs in the other winter soccer states are not allowing MLS Next kids to play High School. Hopefully LA TDP is planning a winter training schedule and partnership with the southern clubs to host northern clubs to maintain year round outdoor soccer. Kudos to Louie/Kevin/Hubie for helping pave the way, and change the culture and expectations for LA Soccer. Everyone needs to step back and look at how we raise the game in Louisiana. This is a big step, even if it’s not for everyone. It will help create a better pathway for LA Kids to get better exposure and grow the game. Rising tides lift all boats.
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Post by futbalfan on Jun 15, 2021 10:26:55 GMT -6
I remain confident that LHSAA rules do not exclude MLS Next players from playing High School. I am also confident that MLS Next rules exclude players from playing High School. Nothing has changed at this point concerning that. Not what the podcast said.
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Post by viewgator91 on Jun 15, 2021 10:44:37 GMT -6
I remain confident that LHSAA rules do not exclude MLS Next players from playing High School. I am also confident that MLS Next rules exclude players from playing High School. Nothing has changed at this point concerning that. Not what the podcast said. What he said on the podcast he also told parents at the Q&A portion during tryouts. Paul Holocher from Houston Dynamo was standing right there, so I'm not sure why they would tell us that if that isn't what they truly believe.
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Post by lasoccerbaw on Jun 15, 2021 11:14:33 GMT -6
At first, before all of this developed, I thought that MLS NEXT would prevent high school because that’s the way it is in other states. But other states play high school in either the spring or the fall. With the winter break, it makes sense why they would be able to play high school. It seems that the LHSAA “Official ruling” is the only thing causing confusion at this point.
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Post by soccermomea on Jun 15, 2021 15:51:59 GMT -6
The original post from beauchenesoccer indicates that he only asked if the kids could play MLS-Next and high school at the same time under either the ODP and Regional exceptions.
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Post by lasoccerbaw on Jun 15, 2021 16:50:11 GMT -6
The original post from beauchenesoccer indicates that he only asked if the kids could play MLS-Next and high school at the same time under either the ODP and Regional exceptions. Thanks. Do you think the LHSAA needs to clear up confusion about MLS NEXT players arriving late to high school, or is the letter of the law in the rule book clear enough and permissible?
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Post by soccermomea on Jun 15, 2021 19:38:48 GMT -6
I think the rule is clear that it does not go into effect until the player reports to his or her school team. The initial rule at beginning of the section instructs you to interpret in favor of allowing opportunities.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Jun 15, 2021 20:22:55 GMT -6
The LHSAA Handbook is a wonderful example of many different points of view that can be interpreted by different people as different statements. It’s also still in transition from paper and files model to totally digital model. Rosters are now digitally done over the last few years.
Whatever any of you do... make sure if you are wanting your child To “report late” that your AD and coach know and make sure that the kid is not rostered until they are DONE with MLS next games and training. And of course, first... make sure they notify LHSAA it is possibly happening and why before the normal due date of rosters. This is about the closest you will get to a “loophole” for reporting late and then being rostered. There are deadlines posted for rosters input digitally. Usually before first regular season games or scrimmages. These deadlines are enforced with fines. Also, LHSAA considers a kid on the roster the moment they are input as a member of that teams LHSAA roster. So if they are put on roster at the beginning (and play MLS next) when deadlines are due, they would be risking ineligibility and fines to the school and team as well as their own eligibility. So make sure your child isn’t on roster until they are completely done. Make sure it’s ok to do that and have AD or coach get it in writing for the specific athlete. Always be proactive when dealing with eligibility and not think they won’t find out about it. Or how will they find out. This year especially, they will find out. So do it above water and you will have your own specific rulings and your AD will get it done right if it’s possible to report late and be added to roster late after deadlines.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Jun 15, 2021 20:23:39 GMT -6
I think the rule is clear that it does not go into effect until the player reports to his or her school team. The initial rule at beginning of the section instructs you to interpret in favor of allowing opportunities. The rules are clear that a child is on roster when the athlete is put on the roster and is submitted. This is the key to your loophole... Make sure the child isn't rostered until they are done if it is possible and granted. Get your AD to get that in writing and you will be fine
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Post by beauchenecoach on Jun 15, 2021 20:26:37 GMT -6
The original post from beauchenesoccer indicates that he only asked if the kids could play MLS-Next and high school at the same time under either the ODP and Regional exceptions. Thanks. Do you think the LHSAA needs to clear up confusion about MLS NEXT players arriving late to high school, or is the letter of the law in the rule book clear enough and permissible? Each AD and school needs to do that... to see if said MLS next player can be kept off initial roster submitted and added later.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Jun 15, 2021 20:31:20 GMT -6
The original post from beauchenesoccer indicates that he only asked if the kids could play MLS-Next and high school at the same time under either the ODP and Regional exceptions. This is the only question we had from member coaches. LHSAA isn’t going to rule on a loop hole. They will rule on individual scenarios if an official ruling request is submitted by principal and AD. Get your coach and AD to do this soon if you need advice now. The loophole you all are mentioning is probably still available to use... but make sure it is with a ruling request. Also, check with high school coach if he will even grant that as high school coaches could theoretically say either join team by a certain date or you won’t be on team. Not saying that will happen, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it did at least once or twice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 5:19:19 GMT -6
layer Participation in Middle and High School Soccer Club Players must agree to forgo participating simultaneously in both (1) MLS NEXT and (2) high school or middle school soccer. Except as set forth herein, players who participate in high/middle school soccer are ineligible to participate in MLS NEXT Events. Only players who have been granted a waiver by PDev will be allowed to remain on their Club’s Roster during the high school soccer season (waivers are not available for middle school). This waiver must be granted by PDev before September 12, 2020, to be considered for the Roster exemption for the 2020-2021 MLS NEXT Season. The waiver eligibility guidelines are as follows and further information may be found in the MLS NEXT High School Waiver: 15
i. The Player received or will receive financial aid dependent on high school soccer participation. ii. The Player has been accepted into a private high school based on soccer participation. Although Clubs are not limited to a specific number of waivers, the number is naturally self-limiting to field a full Team throughout the MLS NEXT Season. Full-time Players registered with a Club who do not meet waiver eligibility and choose to play with their high school team will not be allowed to re-enter the Program during the same MLS NEXT Season after participating in the high school season with their current or a different Club.
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Post by futbalfan on Jun 16, 2021 5:31:01 GMT -6
What is that from?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 5:52:14 GMT -6
The MLS Next 2020-21 rule book.
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Post by wildcatstriker on Jun 16, 2021 6:12:57 GMT -6
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Post by soccerbr on Jun 16, 2021 7:37:28 GMT -6
layer Participation in Middle and High School Soccer Club Players must agree to forgo participating simultaneously in both (1) MLS NEXT and (2) high school or middle school soccer. Except as set forth herein, players who participate in high/middle school soccer are ineligible to participate in MLS NEXT Events. Only players who have been granted a waiver by PDev will be allowed to remain on their Club’s Roster during the high school soccer season (waivers are not available for middle school). This waiver must be granted by PDev before September 12, 2020, to be considered for the Roster exemption for the 2020-2021 MLS NEXT Season. The waiver eligibility guidelines are as follows and further information may be found in the MLS NEXT High School Waiver: 15 i. The Player received or will receive financial aid dependent on high school soccer participation. ii. The Player has been accepted into a private high school based on soccer participation. Although Clubs are not limited to a specific number of waivers, the number is naturally self-limiting to field a full Team throughout the MLS NEXT Season. Full-time Players registered with a Club who do not meet waiver eligibility and choose to play with their high school team will not be allowed to re-enter the Program during the same MLS NEXT Season after participating in the high school season with their current or a different Club. So, if I'm reading it correctly, it aligns with the LHSAA ruling - they cannot play at the same time. If the MLS season ends for a break, during Louisiana High School season, then the players are eligible to play, at the discretion of the AD & HS coach. That was one thing that was made clear at the meeting during tryouts. Players cannot participate in any outside soccer activities DURING the MLS season (futsal, indoor, etc.), but they specifically said players COULD play high school if the school & LHSAA allowed it AFTER the MLS season closed for the winter.
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