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Post by futbalfan on Jul 26, 2021 8:46:14 GMT -6
What will the impact be?
Greater in the Laffy/BR/NO for sure? Rise of North LA?
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Post by soccerbr on Jul 26, 2021 13:24:39 GMT -6
What will the impact be? Greater in the Laffy/BR/NO for sure? Rise of North LA? I could be completely wrong, but from what I understand, Catholic High didn't lose many. Not sure about St. Paul either?? There are only 17 05 players on the team, and I believe a few are part time players so can still play HS.
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Post by futbalfan on Jul 27, 2021 9:09:02 GMT -6
What will the impact be? Greater in the Laffy/BR/NO for sure? Rise of North LA? I could be completely wrong, but from what I understand, Catholic High didn't lose many. Not sure about St. Paul either?? There are only 17 05 players on the team, and I believe a few are part time players so can still play HS. More than just 2005 players play HS soccer right? List I saw for LA TDP Elite goes from 2003-2009. This year, boys from 2003-2007 would be in high school and for some private schools, I am sure some 2008 and 2009 will play high school soccer.
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Post by soccerbr on Jul 27, 2021 10:38:43 GMT -6
I could be completely wrong, but from what I understand, Catholic High didn't lose many. Not sure about St. Paul either?? There are only 17 05 players on the team, and I believe a few are part time players so can still play HS. More than just 2005 players play HS soccer right? List I saw for LA TDP Elite goes from 2003-2009. This year, boys from 2003-2007 would be in high school and for some private schools, I am sure some 2008 and 2009 will play high school soccer. Of course, but again, the 03/04 list doesn't pull much from Catholic either. (if at all??) Their bench of upperclassmen is going to be very strong again this year. Dutchtown only has one or two players who are full time TDP. I'm naming the schools & players I'm familiar with, and can only speak for those schools in the Baton Rouge area.
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Post by dualdellortos on Jul 27, 2021 12:13:12 GMT -6
Everyone keeps commenting on what MLS Next will or won't allow. The LHSAA concurrent play rules would also rule out part time players from HS play if they do any training or playing during the HS season. The only waiver/exception around it is weekend only practices in preparation for a college showcase or a USYS national league game. It would be prudent to get an LHSAA ruling ahead of time on those types of events. Someone, somewhere will call a team/player out.
As a girl's HS coach. I have no dog in this hunt, just sayin'......
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Post by soccerbr on Jul 27, 2021 12:20:00 GMT -6
Everyone keeps commenting on what MLS Next will or won't allow. The LHSAA concurrent play rules would also rule out part time players from HS play if they do any training or playing during the HS season. The only waiver/exception around it is weekend only practices in preparation for a college showcase or a USYS national league game. It would be prudent to get an LHSAA ruling ahead of time on those types of events. Someone, somewhere will call a team/player out. As a girl's HS coach. I have no dog in this hunt, just sayin'...... I didn't take this post as what MLS will or will not allow. I read it as it was not going to be allowed, and if that was the case, how would it affect High School Soccer.
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Post by dualdellortos on Jul 27, 2021 13:37:59 GMT -6
Everyone keeps commenting on what MLS Next will or won't allow. The LHSAA concurrent play rules would also rule out part time players from HS play if they do any training or playing during the HS season. The only waiver/exception around it is weekend only practices in preparation for a college showcase or a USYS national league game. It would be prudent to get an LHSAA ruling ahead of time on those types of events. Someone, somewhere will call a team/player out. As a girl's HS coach. I have no dog in this hunt, just sayin'...... I didn't take this post as what MLS will or will not allow. I read it as it was not going to be allowed, and if that was the case, how would it affect High School Soccer. This is not the only thread about MLS Next in this forum. What MLS Next will allow, while not thinking about what LHSAA will allow, has been a consistent presence on these threads. However, YOU actually said that "a few are part-time players so they can play high school". This may be fine for MLS Next, but is not allowed by LHSAA if they are training during the week or playing in MLS Next games during the HS season. Are these considered USYS National League games? A wise parent or coach would get a ruling from LHSAA BEFORE they let these part timer's play or train during the HS season. Just sayin'.....
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Post by soccerbr on Jul 27, 2021 14:21:28 GMT -6
I didn't take this post as what MLS will or will not allow. I read it as it was not going to be allowed, and if that was the case, how would it affect High School Soccer. This is not the only thread about MLS Next in this forum. What MLS Next will allow, while not thinking about what LHSAA will allow, has been a consistent presence on these threads. However, YOU actually said that "a few are part-time players so they can play high school". This may be fine for MLS Next, but is not allowed by LHSAA if they are training during the week or playing in MLS Next games during the HS season. Are these considered USYS National League games? A wise parent or coach would get a ruling from LHSAA BEFORE they let these part timer's play or train during the HS season. Just sayin'..... I understand what you are saying. This will doubtfully apply to us, but what I read from the other thread and to quote beauchenecoach, 'They have to be done with MLS before being rostered and can’t go back until done with high school.' It seems that the ruling states they can play AFTER their MLS season is complete. As part time players, they are affiliated with their club and NOT MLS; EVEN if pulled up to a game. If they want to play high school, it reads (to me) that they would need to talk to the MLS team they are affiliated with and let the coach know they will not be affiliated during the HS season nor do they want to be pulled up. If they are pulled on to the team and still considered part time status, then they would not be able to play HS until MLS season is complete, then once playing HS, would not join MLS until the HS season is over.
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Post by dualdellortos on Jul 27, 2021 15:00:52 GMT -6
I agree. MLS Next rostering is not an issue. If players refrain from training or playing from the day they are rostered with LHSAA for soccer to the day that their HS season ends, they should be good to play just like any other club team player.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Jul 28, 2021 9:38:13 GMT -6
High School and College soccer need to go. They are antiquated competitions run by organizations that only care about Football, Baseball, and Basketball. The season of high schools interrupts club play which means that players never learn to play elevated tactical soccer and keep playing it, because if they are lucky enough to develop to that level, their seasons end and they have to go back to square one and start all over again. Also, high school soccer has diluted the competitions by creating too many divisions. It was better when in the eighties when All schools played in one division. Now, you got good schools blowing out bad teams by over 5 goals in playoff games. That does nothing for either team. The LHSAA is run by a bunch of morons and none of them have soccer development in their repertoire.
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Post by viewgator91 on Jul 28, 2021 9:51:49 GMT -6
If it holds up that MLS Next players won't be able to play HS this season, DSHS looks to be losing 3 varsity starters in addition to the kids that graduated last year (2 starters) as well as an '06 sophomore that may have been a swing player or varsity player this coming season.
Hopefully there is enough pressure put on LHSAA from parents/coaches that these kids will at least have an option to do both in the future.
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Post by futbalfan on Jul 28, 2021 12:36:05 GMT -6
If it holds up that MLS Next players won't be able to play HS this season, DSHS looks to be losing 3 varsity starters in addition to the kids that graduated last year (2 starters) as well as an '06 sophomore that may have been a swing player or varsity player this coming season. Hopefully there is enough pressure put on LHSAA from parents/coaches that these kids will at least have an option to do both in the future. Certainly sounds like an impact to Denham Springs. I understand in Ascension, the MLS Next impact would be: Dutchtown would lose a key returning starter from last year and a couple of top freshmen coming up St. Amant would lose a starter from last year. East Ascension wouldn’t be affected.
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Post by upper90 on Jul 28, 2021 13:51:41 GMT -6
High School and College soccer need to go. They are antiquated competitions run by organizations that only care about Football, Baseball, and Basketball. The season of high schools interrupts club play which means that players never learn to play elevated tactical soccer and keep playing it, because if they are lucky enough to develop to that level, their seasons end and they have to go back to square one and start all over again. Also, high school soccer has diluted the competitions by creating too many divisions. It was better when in the eighties when All schools played in one division. Now, you got good schools blowing out bad teams by over 5 goals in playoff games. That does nothing for either team. The LHSAA is run by a bunch of morons and none of them have soccer development in their repertoire. Wrong. Newsflash: sports are not solely for those looking to make it a professional career. That's certainly not why I played (and still...try to play).
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Post by usasoccerboy on Jul 28, 2021 17:27:11 GMT -6
High School and College soccer need to go. They are antiquated competitions run by organizations that only care about Football, Baseball, and Basketball. The season of high schools interrupts club play which means that players never learn to play elevated tactical soccer and keep playing it, because if they are lucky enough to develop to that level, their seasons end and they have to go back to square one and start all over again. Also, high school soccer has diluted the competitions by creating too many divisions. It was better when in the eighties when All schools played in one division. Now, you got good schools blowing out bad teams by over 5 goals in playoff games. That does nothing for either team. The LHSAA is run by a bunch of morons and none of them have soccer development in their repertoire. Wrong. Newsflash: sports are not solely for those looking to make it a professional career. That's certainly not why I played (and still...try to play). Your reasons for why you play is why the serious player needs to be separated from your type. Serious players do not get anything other than the risk of injury, playing with non serious players. If they are inclined to have a chance to make it to the top levels, then they need to play with all other serious players and be separated from the casual such as yourself.
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Post by upper90 on Jul 28, 2021 17:29:55 GMT -6
Wrong. Newsflash: sports are not solely for those looking to make it a professional career. That's certainly not why I played (and still...try to play). Your reasons for why you play is why the serious player needs to be separated from your type. Serious players do not get anything other than the risk of injury, playing with non serious players. If they are inclined to have a chance to make it to the top levels, then they need to play with all other serious players and be separated from the casual such as yourself. Then go do MLSnext, get seen, and go play professionally. After all, that’s essentially what every parent thinks is going to happen to little Johnny, isn’t it? Leave high school and college to the chumps who want to be “casual”.
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Post by upper90 on Jul 28, 2021 17:40:48 GMT -6
Your reasons for why you play is why the serious player needs to be separated from your type. Serious players do not get anything other than the risk of injury, playing with non serious players. If they are inclined to have a chance to make it to the top levels, then they need to play with all other serious players and be separated from the casual such as yourself. Then go do MLSnext, get seen, and go play professionally. After all, that’s essentially what every parent thinks is going to happen to little Johnny, isn’t it? Leave high school and college to the chumps who want to be “casual”. Do I believe MLSnext will provide players a better opportunity to be seen? Absolutely. That’s simple logistics. They’ll be in bigger soccer hubs (traveling far more) and will be around more coaches and better players. Do I think the MLSnext is the only ticket to the next level? Absolutely not. I had 3 players this past season go on to get opportunities at pretty decent schools in their respective divisions. 10+ years ago, I was able to go play at a D1 school after playing on a VERY mediocre HS and club team, doing far less traveling than what the typical club team does now. It’s certainly possible to do it without MLSnext. You just need to do the ground work, and have someone helping you out (something your coaches in HS and club should be doing if they truly care about the player). By no means should rec, playground, HS, or college soccer be eliminated. Some kids want to do it for fun. Is that so bad?
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Post by usasoccerboy on Jul 28, 2021 17:42:33 GMT -6
Pele played in and won a World Cup at 17. He didn’t require your approval or anyone else’s and he didn’t ask for it. The USSF knows that eventually, it has to get development of players away from schools. I always say this: the last thing the USAMNT needs is more college graduates.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Jul 28, 2021 17:49:15 GMT -6
Then go do MLSnext, get seen, and go play professionally. After all, that’s essentially what every parent thinks is going to happen to little Johnny, isn’t it? Leave high school and college to the chumps who want to be “casual”. Do I believe MLSnext will provide players a better opportunity to be seen? Absolutely. That’s simple logistics. They’ll be in bigger soccer hubs (traveling far more) and will be around more coaches and better players. Do I think the MLSnext is the only ticket to the next level? Absolutely not. I had 3 players this past season go on to get opportunities at pretty decent schools in their respective divisions. 10+ years ago, I was able to go play at a D1 school after playing on a VERY mediocre HS and club team, doing far less traveling than what the typical club team does now. It’s certainly possible to do it without MLSnext. You just need to do the ground work, and have someone helping you out (something your coaches in HS and club should be doing if they truly care about the player). By no means should rec, playground, HS, or college soccer be eliminated. Some kids want to do it for fun. Is that so bad? What you fail to realize is that the NCAA and its politics in creating title 9 is the reason we do not have Division I,college soccer in Louisiana , and Other southern states. Before title 9, which happened before we qualified for the 1990 World Cup, during the death of soccer years after the NASL folded, Lousiana had three Division I college soccer teams and they were all successful. After title 9, they all folded, yet every school in this and other states has Division I women’s soccer. Think about why that is. You went to another location to play, when before, you could have stayed here and played when soccer wasn’t even a threat to big 3 sports.
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Post by upper90 on Jul 28, 2021 17:58:37 GMT -6
Do I believe MLSnext will provide players a better opportunity to be seen? Absolutely. That’s simple logistics. They’ll be in bigger soccer hubs (traveling far more) and will be around more coaches and better players. Do I think the MLSnext is the only ticket to the next level? Absolutely not. I had 3 players this past season go on to get opportunities at pretty decent schools in their respective divisions. 10+ years ago, I was able to go play at a D1 school after playing on a VERY mediocre HS and club team, doing far less traveling than what the typical club team does now. It’s certainly possible to do it without MLSnext. You just need to do the ground work, and have someone helping you out (something your coaches in HS and club should be doing if they truly care about the player). By no means should rec, playground, HS, or college soccer be eliminated. Some kids want to do it for fun. Is that so bad? What you fail to realize is that the NCAA and its politics in creating title 9 is the reason we do not have Division I,college soccer in Louisiana , and Other southern states. Before title 9, which happened before we qualified for the 1990 World Cup, during the death of soccer years after the NASL folded, Lousiana had three Division I college soccer teams and they were all successful. After title 9, they all folded, yet every school in this and other states has Division I women’s soccer. Think about why that is. You went to another location to play, when before, you could have stayed here and played when soccer wasn’t even a threat to big 3 sports. I stayed in Louisiana to play while in college. Now I’m sort of losing track with your argument (Title 9 being bad?). And we’re way off topic here. We can get 20 people in a room to discuss how we could improve soccer in the USA, and I guarantee you’d hear 20 very different ideas. The whole basis of this conversation came when you said that HS and college soccer need to go, and I disagreed, since this is a thread on the HS board regarding how MLSnext is going to impact HS soccer. Back to the subject matter… there are quite a few schools in New Orleans who lose 2-3 players each.
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Post by firebruin on Jul 28, 2021 18:48:43 GMT -6
Should be interesting when the split throws even more of a wrench in the works. 😂😂😂😂
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