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Post by usasoccerboy on Jul 29, 2021 0:26:08 GMT -6
What you fail to realize is that the NCAA and its politics in creating title 9 is the reason we do not have Division I,college soccer in Louisiana , and Other southern states. Before title 9, which happened before we qualified for the 1990 World Cup, during the death of soccer years after the NASL folded, Lousiana had three Division I college soccer teams and they were all successful. After title 9, they all folded, yet every school in this and other states has Division I women’s soccer. Think about why that is. You went to another location to play, when before, you could have stayed here and played when soccer wasn’t even a threat to big 3 sports. I stayed in Louisiana to play while in college. Now I’m sort of losing track with your argument (Title 9 being bad?). And we’re way off topic here. We can get 20 people in a room to discuss how we could improve soccer in the USA, and I guarantee you’d hear 20 very different ideas. The whole basis of this conversation came when you said that HS and college soccer need to go, and I disagreed, since this is a thread on the HS board regarding how MLSnext is going to impact HS soccer. Back to the subject matter… there are quite a few schools in New Orleans who lose 2-3 players each. . You stayed in Louisiana to play NON Division I soccer. I am not talking about Centenary or LSU Eunice or some other small division based soccer. And the reason it no longer exists in the southern states is because of the NCAA. It could care less about soccer even though it fields a competition in other states. It’s focus is not on development and so the USSF knows for it to succeed in developing players, it needs to get the best players away from school soccer.
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Post by upper90 on Jul 29, 2021 5:16:26 GMT -6
I stayed in Louisiana to play while in college. Now I’m sort of losing track with your argument (Title 9 being bad?). And we’re way off topic here. We can get 20 people in a room to discuss how we could improve soccer in the USA, and I guarantee you’d hear 20 very different ideas. The whole basis of this conversation came when you said that HS and college soccer need to go, and I disagreed, since this is a thread on the HS board regarding how MLSnext is going to impact HS soccer. Back to the subject matter… there are quite a few schools in New Orleans who lose 2-3 players each. . You stayed in Louisiana to play NON Division I soccer. I am not talking about Centenary or LSU Eunice or some other small division based soccer. And the reason it no longer exists in the southern states is because of the NCAA. It could care less about soccer even though it fields a competition in other states. It’s focus is not on development and so the USSF knows for it to succeed in developing players, it needs to get the best players away from school soccer. Again, you're wrong. Centenary College of Louisiana was Division I all the way up until 2011, where they were the smallest Division I school in the country. And to pretend that JC's like LSU-E aren't producing top notch players is absurd. Ever since LSU-E created the program 3 years ago, they have consistently performed well and been nationally ranked, as well as sending players to larger Division I schools. Like I said last time, we're way off topic here. While I mostly agree that the USMNT doesn't hinge it's performance based on how many college soccer players it has, it's really never relied on college soccer anyway. And look how well we've done... The USSF needs to drastically rethink how they develop players.
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Post by coachray40 on Jul 29, 2021 10:48:32 GMT -6
. You stayed in Louisiana to play NON Division I soccer. I am not talking about Centenary or LSU Eunice or some other small division based soccer. And the reason it no longer exists in the southern states is because of the NCAA. It could care less about soccer even though it fields a competition in other states. It’s focus is not on development and so the USSF knows for it to succeed in developing players, it needs to get the best players away from school soccer. Again, you're wrong. Centenary College of Louisiana was Division I all the way up until 2011, where they were the smallest Division I school in the country. And to pretend that JC's like LSU-E aren't producing top notch players is absurd. Ever since LSU-E created the program 3 years ago, they have consistently performed well and been nationally ranked, as well as sending players to larger Division I schools. Like I said last time, we're way off topic here. While I mostly agree that the USMNT doesn't hinge it's performance based on how many college soccer players it has, it's really never relied on college soccer anyway. And look how well we've done... The USSF needs to drastically rethink how they develop players. upper 90--dont you realize that if we all just stopped everything we were doing, and devoted all of our time and money to working on soccer player development, forsaking EVERYTHING else in life, then and only then, would the world be an okay place to live in? I mean what do you know, you were only an accomplished HS and Collegiate player and just won a state HS championship.....thats all. Youre no qualified soccer snob like many of the other pontificators on here
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Post by vistajay on Jul 29, 2021 11:48:31 GMT -6
I think the public high schools will be more affected. They just don't have the depth of the private schools, so losing that one great player (a Zane Zelucka for example) will have a greater effect on them.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Jul 29, 2021 13:51:20 GMT -6
So coach Ray admits he doesn’t care about developing players. Again, this is more reason why the USSF wants to get the responsibility of developing away from coaches like Ray. You two have now admitted you are not concerned about it. That is why MLS wants players to bypass school soccer.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Jul 29, 2021 14:02:47 GMT -6
. You stayed in Louisiana to play NON Division I soccer. I am not talking about Centenary or LSU Eunice or some other small division based soccer. And the reason it no longer exists in the southern states is because of the NCAA. It could care less about soccer even though it fields a competition in other states. It’s focus is not on development and so the USSF knows for it to succeed in developing players, it needs to get the best players away from school soccer. Again, you're wrong. Centenary College of Louisiana was Division I all the way up until 2011, where they were the smallest Division I school in the country. And to pretend that JC's like LSU-E aren't producing top notch players is absurd. Ever since LSU-E created the program 3 years ago, they have consistently performed well and been nationally ranked, as well as sending players to larger Division I schools. Like I said last time, we're way off topic here. While I mostly agree that the USMNT doesn't hinge it's performance based on how many college soccer players it has, it's really never relied on college soccer anyway. And look how well we've done... The USSF needs to drastically rethink how they develop players. And your wrong on your reliance of the USSF on developing players from the college as it was formed the basis of the 1990 and 1994 World Cup teams. Sorry. Centenary was never on the same level as Nicholls, NLU, and UNO when they had Division I soccer. I’m glad you found a place in state, but those are the worst options of any state besides maybe Mississppi to play Division I soccer for a player. And the reasons those options are lousy is because of title 9, the NCAA, purposefully implementing a demand so as to squash the broadening of men’s soccer and conversely, broadening women’s soccer. I notice you fail to notice the amount of women’s to men’s programs in the southern states. MLS has to get its players out of school soccer, bc school soccer interrupts player development. Like it or not, that is what pro organizations want: developed players and they know that the schools are not doing the job because their systems are based off of other sports. 1. The seasons in school soccer are short and only exist for a few months out of the year. Pro organizations want players that can play all year long. 2. School systems cram too many games in a week. Pro organizations rather less games and more practices in between games so that they Learn better how to play tactically which is something very few schools achieve in Louisiana. If they are able to achieve such, that is when the season ends and the players go back tor their clubs and have to start all over again. The pro organizations want the teams to keep playing at the higher level.
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Post by wildcatstriker on Jul 29, 2021 15:38:25 GMT -6
Good to know it is HS and College soccer stifling development in the US, and not the USSF.
Can you break down the specific things that USSF would have accomplished if not for this interference?
Back on topic, I heard while Catholic did not have any defections in the older age groups, they have quite a few 8th/9th graders playing MLS Next full time.
I think it is great that over the next couple years the players and families will get to enjoy the MLS Next experience and then decide as they get to HS whether they want to do one or the other. This will help raise the game in my opinion and both sides will be better for it.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Jul 29, 2021 16:22:33 GMT -6
Good to know it is HS and College soccer stifling development in the US, and not the USSF. Can you break down the specific things that USSF would have accomplished if not for this interference? Back on topic, I heard while Catholic did not have any defections in the older age groups, they have quite a few 8th/9th graders playing MLS Next full time. I think it is great that over the next couple years the players and families will get to enjoy the MLS Next experience and then decide as they get to HS whether they want to do one or the other. This will help raise the game in my opinion and both sides will be better for it. The USSF has no control over school soccer and that is what they are going for. No other country relies on school soccer. They want players that can play a full 90 minutes and not want to come off under unlimited substitutions. They USSF would impose a 9 month season like the other countries do for their teams and those teams would not play multiple games on a weekend as is so common amongst school and club level soccer. Again, it was already stated, they want more practices and less games so that players can develop to play 90 minutes and adopt a minimal substitution mentality to bridge the chasm between school and professional soccer. Your topic is in MLS Next impact. The impact is it will make school soccer obsolete. School soccer and all sports are already antiquated. That is why the recent Supreme Court ruling is leading to a new more professional system, which all the rest of the world uses when it comes to soccer. Amateur athletics is done. Get over it. And if MLS Next takes the best players away, the remaining players playing school soccer will not be better for it. They will get left behind.
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Post by wildcatstriker on Jul 29, 2021 17:37:22 GMT -6
Good to know it is HS and College soccer stifling development in the US, and not the USSF. Can you break down the specific things that USSF would have accomplished if not for this interference? Back on topic, I heard while Catholic did not have any defections in the older age groups, they have quite a few 8th/9th graders playing MLS Next full time. I think it is great that over the next couple years the players and families will get to enjoy the MLS Next experience and then decide as they get to HS whether they want to do one or the other. This will help raise the game in my opinion and both sides will be better for it. The USSF has no control over school soccer and that is what they are going for. No other country relies on school soccer. They want players that can play a full 90 minutes and not want to come off under unlimited substitutions. They USSF would impose a 9 month season like the other countries do for their teams and those teams would not play multiple games on a weekend as is so common amongst school and club level soccer. Again, it was already stated, they want more practices and less games so that players can develop to play 90 minutes and adopt a minimal substitution mentality to bridge the chasm between school and professional soccer. Your topic is in MLS Next impact. The impact is it will make school soccer obsolete. School soccer and all sports are already antiquated. That is why the recent Supreme Court ruling is leading to a new more professional system, which all the rest of the world uses when it comes to soccer. Amateur athletics is done. Get over it. And if MLS Next takes the best players away, the remaining players playing school soccer will not be better for it. They will get left behind. So, USSF changed the age groups away from school years to birth years. They would like to make other changes, but won’t. Sounds like they are definitely invested in development. I wonder if the school system of development is so bad, how did the USWNT get so good? How about US Basketball?
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Post by firebruin on Jul 29, 2021 19:29:09 GMT -6
AAU basketball has taken over as the primary recruiting method much like club soccer. Football is really about the only school sport that is theain show when it comes to recruiting for higher levels of play.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Jul 29, 2021 21:24:22 GMT -6
The USSF has no control over school soccer and that is what they are going for. No other country relies on school soccer. They want players that can play a full 90 minutes and not want to come off under unlimited substitutions. They USSF would impose a 9 month season like the other countries do for their teams and those teams would not play multiple games on a weekend as is so common amongst school and club level soccer. Again, it was already stated, they want more practices and less games so that players can develop to play 90 minutes and adopt a minimal substitution mentality to bridge the chasm between school and professional soccer. Your topic is in MLS Next impact. The impact is it will make school soccer obsolete. School soccer and all sports are already antiquated. That is why the recent Supreme Court ruling is leading to a new more professional system, which all the rest of the world uses when it comes to soccer. Amateur athletics is done. Get over it. And if MLS Next takes the best players away, the remaining players playing school soccer will not be better for it. They will get left behind. So, USSF changed the age groups away from school years to birth years. They would like to make other changes, but won’t. Sounds like they are definitely invested in development. I wonder if the school system of development is so bad, how did the USWNT get so good? How about US Basketball? I don’t think the USSF has control over the schools and this is a way to gain that control by using what every other country in the world relies on to produce their players, associations - also known as clubs, which is where the word soccer comes from in that association football as opposed to rugby football, is the etymology of the word. You have to admit, school athletics is an American way that is used for American sports. It does not produce the best results for soccer. The NCAA and high school athletic organizations do not know the first thing about proper soccer player development. They employ football and other American sport principles to soccer and it doesn’t work to produce great players that can compete at the pro level on a consistent basis. Before MLS, college soccer was all that we had and it took the MLS in 1996 to start to better produce soccer players. Before that, the NASL tried to jumpstart it, but if you watched the 1986 team failed to qualify for the World Cup, you would remember how dire things were then. It was embarrassing. The academy and younger pro development system is just more evidence that we are maturing into a legitimate soccer nation. There is no real need for school soccer in the future plans.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Jul 30, 2021 15:49:35 GMT -6
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Post by coachray40 on Aug 1, 2021 9:31:22 GMT -6
"Alice, I see another hole we can explore" said the rabbit
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Post by coachchester on Aug 1, 2021 18:10:12 GMT -6
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Post by coachchester on Aug 1, 2021 18:14:02 GMT -6
USA boy.
I don’t get it. I read how all these boys are playing MLS next to develop and compete and showcase themselves for colleges scouts. And according to you. We should shut down HS and college. Lol. This is hilarious
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Post by viewgator91 on Aug 2, 2021 7:07:33 GMT -6
Miles Robinson, who scored the game winner last night vs Mexico, played High School soccer.
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Post by blaugranas on Aug 2, 2021 10:45:52 GMT -6
Miles Robinson, who scored the game winner last night vs Mexico, played High School soccer. This is a little disingenuous….. my son knows Miles pretty well and knew his high play was mostly basketball in the high school setting….. And truly are you then going to go through the roster of U.S. natls and point out all of the players who played no high school soccer?? From an article on Arlington.wicked local.com“Robinson has those some capabilities on the soccer field. He plays for a club team called the FC Greater Boston Bolts. Playing for a private club team does not allow players to participate in high school soccer so Arlington High’s squad has not enjoyed Robinson’s skills since he left the program after his freshman season.”
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Post by viewgator91 on Aug 2, 2021 11:57:13 GMT -6
Miles Robinson, who scored the game winner last night vs Mexico, played High School soccer. This is a little disingenuous….. my son knows Miles pretty well and knew his high play was mostly basketball in the high school setting….. And truly are you then going to go through the roster of U.S. natls and point out all of the players who played no high school soccer?? From an article on Arlington.wicked local.com“Robinson has those some capabilities on the soccer field. He plays for a club team called the FC Greater Boston Bolts. Playing for a private club team does not allow players to participate in high school soccer so Arlington High’s squad has not enjoyed Robinson’s skills since he left the program after his freshman season.” I don't know much about him but wiki said he played HS for Arlington and his Syracuse profile said captain senior year, but that could have been his club team? cuse.com/sports/mens-soccer/roster/miles-robinson/12907
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Post by futbalfan on Aug 2, 2021 14:04:15 GMT -6
If the HS season started today, what’s the latest on the MLS Next players being able to play?
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Post by usasoccerboy on Aug 2, 2021 15:17:56 GMT -6
USA boy. I don’t get it. I read how all these boys are playing MLS next to develop and compete and showcase themselves for colleges scouts. And according to you. We should shut down HS and college. Lol. This is hilarious m Because the college system is still the most used path to get noticed at that age level. Back in the day, it was Prop 40. Now, the MLS clubs are developing youth development. It may not be here yet, but that is the future of US soccer. As time goes by, college and high school soccer will become more irrelevant. And, as you see in NCAA athletics overall across all sports, it is antiquated and forced to change . They can make all the changes they want. The writing is on the wall. Amateur athletics is the old way to go. Again, no other country besides maybe Canada, relies on school systems to develop their players. Again, back before MLS, school soccer was all we had to develop our team. Then we had pro clubs. Now we have pro clubs developing the best talent in the country. You look at a player like Busio, age 19, played in the champion Gold Cup squad, he went straight to pro. His talent was strong enough to do that. For those that are not talented enough, there is still school soccer, but sooner or later, school soccer will be insignificant , because there will be enough clubs, clubs with youth programs as well, that little to no interest will be in the college system. There is little to no interest into it now. It is antiquated. This is not Dempsey and Lalas going to Rutgers or Bruce Arena and Claudio Reyna leading Virginia. They moved on long ago and US soccer will too. School soccer will die out in the future.
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