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Post by whodisis on Mar 4, 2007 11:23:38 GMT -6
to answer the question of why the coach whose team won state and only gave up 5 goals all season did not win coach of the year, i think it is because if you look at the players on that team, and know anything about them, not just the starters, you would know that most play together or are separated by 1-2 years at the same club. In my opinion, you could give anyone that group of players, let them pick a starting 11 and they could have done very well this season. Im not saying they would have won state, but i think a coach with less talent that took a team on a good run this year would be more deserving.
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Post by ka4 on Mar 4, 2007 14:32:42 GMT -6
okay coachray but does st amant play the same competition that jesuit does?? i dont think so i think cabos or madere would have just as many goals at torrado if they played the same competition
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Post by doornobcrusher on Mar 4, 2007 15:45:16 GMT -6
torrado doesnt score like 5 goals on those bad teams, he probibly gets 1 or 2 then is subbed out against the bad teams. he scores his goals on pretty much anyone they play, hes a good player... he also doesnt have great players giving him easy goals like cabos or madere have... not taking away from them im just saying he is just as good
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Mar 4, 2007 18:19:28 GMT -6
When deciding for a forward on all state team, you also must look at the players around him. If he has the midfield to feed him the ball all day long, of course he will score more goals...
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Post by reddevil on Mar 4, 2007 21:21:01 GMT -6
I just want to comment on the 'Anybody can coach talent' comment above. Everybody knows Real Madrid has had the best talent around the last few years. Can anybody tell me how many championships they have won? Zero, nada, none!
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Post by whodat on Mar 4, 2007 22:04:09 GMT -6
Cabos and madere did more for Jesuit than just score goals. Yea some players who were pure forwards had more goals than them, but the two of them played as wingers alot. They did more than just score goals they helped to set up alot of the goals Jesuit had this year. Put madere and cabos on any other team where theyre the only guys who can score like up top like all those other teams and look at their numbers.
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Post by thugbehram on Mar 4, 2007 22:07:22 GMT -6
I just want to comment on the 'Anybody can coach talent' comment above. Everybody knows Real Madrid has had the best talent around the last few years. Can anybody tell me how many championships they have won? Zero, nada, none! It was a personnel issue not a coaching issue. You have to have players to play roles; you can't have just stars.
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Post by henry10 on Mar 4, 2007 22:31:21 GMT -6
is it THAT big of a deal when they are 2nd team instead of 1st team. the people on the 1st team are just as good if not better. either way it doesnt really matter at all
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Post by bluejaysoccer on Mar 4, 2007 23:04:08 GMT -6
the thing about jesuit is that their midfeild scored just as many goals as their forwards and their forwards have had just as many or more assists than their midfield. cabos and madere didnt even start the season as forwards, and actually cabos only started like 5 games up top all year. Jesuit had 4 or 5 forwards that would share playing time, until Hubie finally made up his mind about a set starting lineup at the end of the season. I think madere and cabos had a tremendous season, and are as good as any of the top players in the state. they couldve made all-state as forwards or midfielders along with blake day. and duncan wasnt even the best center-mid on the team and he made all-state mvp, when jake miranda had a better year from start to finish. jake was much more reliable, and watch him get all-state mvp next year. Jesuit's 5 goals allowed all season wasnt just because of their great defense. look how many 50/50's their forwards won this year, defense starts with them. teams had to cross midfield in order to score. i think this was proved in the playoffs.
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Post by cronaldo7 on Mar 5, 2007 0:29:33 GMT -6
About the defense, there's just one thing I don't understand. How does two defenders from district 5 make the first team while the district 5 defensive mvp only makes the 2nd team. I'm not saying that the 2nd team isn't good or anything but this just goes to show that these teams are all off picked of name recognition instead of actual performance.
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Post by Pitchstalker on Mar 5, 2007 5:53:54 GMT -6
Defensive MVP at the District level is often decided by 1 vote. For example, Offensive MVP is usually clear cut between 1 or 2 guys at the 5-6 coaches at DISTRICT level usually lean one way. Whereas Defensive MVP at the DISTRICT level is totally different. Most times EVERY Coach thinks they have a great Defensive player and when the votes for MVP come around...you'll have 3 guys get one vote and 1 guy get 2 votes and he ends up being the MVP, rightly so because he received the "most" votes. When the ALL STATE votes happen you have MANY coaches voting.
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Post by rumicedad on Mar 5, 2007 8:59:05 GMT -6
How is it that Rummel was the only consistant top 10 team completely shut out of the all-state honors?----Also,how is it that SPS with only a 4 game run at the end of a 30plus game season end up with 4 all-state players and coach of the year? In all due respect to SPS and coach Watkins, Jesuit's coach Collins coached a local team to an undefeated 30plus game season with only 3 goals (against its 1st team)(2 of them by Rummel ,1 by it's central defender and the other assisted by it's central defender). The argument that a great coach gets the most out of his players is certainly true,but if SPS didn't have as much talent then how is it that they placed 4 players on the all-state teams?-------As far as Jesuit's team goes, it was my observation that the primary keys for them were it's strong mid-field and goalkeeper. However, Bourgeois certainly deserved 1st team honors.----I always knew soccer was a small fraternity of parents,coaches, and players. But, I never realized just how small it was until I saw the all-state teams posted.It's all to obvious that a players last name and premier reputation plays a larger role than his preformance on the field or his value to his team.----If I come across as bitter,well maybe(as a proud parent) I am.But, you see this all-state thing is something these kids will take with them for the rest of their lives or be forced to just quickly put behind them. What a shame!---Good luck to everyone.
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Post by timaeus on Mar 5, 2007 9:51:02 GMT -6
I would have voted Jesuit's coach as COY, not that it matters.
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Post by cronaldo7 on Mar 5, 2007 16:30:29 GMT -6
Thanks for the clarification there Pitch. For a second there, I thought that my boy from FHS was robbed of being on the 1st team. But now I guess I can see how that kind of stuff can happen.
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Post by henry10 on Mar 5, 2007 16:59:23 GMT -6
as a player i can honestly say the difference between 1st and second team isnt a big deal to me at all. being recodnized as one of the states best players should be good enough and to get mad about only being 2nd team is retarted. as far as the coaching honors go i think jesuits coach will take his state championship over watkins' runner up and coach of the years honors any day
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Post by beauchenecoach on Mar 7, 2013 8:36:48 GMT -6
Bump
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