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Post by Pitchstalker on Mar 1, 2008 20:43:33 GMT -6
FIRST TEAM
Forwards Jeffery Hampton - Newman Michael Lapira - St. Louis Bryan Wong - St. Thomas Aquinas
Midfielders David Martin - Newman Alex France - St. Louis DJ Bremermann - St. Martin's
Defenders Jack Doggett - Menard Will Usdin - Newman Matt Hebert - Opelousas Catholic Chase Breaux - St. Louis Devin Falgoust - Westminster
GK - Drew Starling - Newman
MVP - Michael Lapira
Coach of the Year - John Cox - St. Thomas Aquinas
SECOND TEAM
Forwards Kyle McKay - Menard Alex Cervantes - St. Thomas Aquinas Luke Nichols - Calvary Baptist Raleigh Prejeant - ED White Matt Savoie - Newman Brandon Guichard - St. Martin's Tim Redd - Westminster
Midfielders Zac Overstreet - Calvary Baptist Kyle Hoffpauir - Catholic High New Iberia John Gaudet - Episcopal Houston Keppinger - Menard Zack Drouilhet - St. Louis Micha Peters - University Michael Copesky - University
Defenders Michael Olivier - ED White Joshua Bonfiglio - St. Thomas Aquinas
GKs Darryn King - St. Louis
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Post by flat3 on Mar 1, 2008 23:52:44 GMT -6
Thanks, Pitchstalker, for listing them. Congratulations to those who made the list. Having said that, this is an absolutely terrible, anti-Baton Rouge list - where are Jordan Redmon of Episcopal and Matt Copeskey of University (D3D4 Overall MVP)? I am sorry but I didn't notice three players better than them in Menard (who lost 3-1 to University) or two players better than them in ED White (who lost 2-1 to University). This is a disservice to these two players (or even more whom I may not know). This thing has no credibility as far as I am concerned. # of players from each team. STA (Champion): 3 Newman (Finallist): 5 St. Louis (Semi): 5 University (Semi): 2 Menard (Quarter): 3 St. Martin's (Quarter): 2 Episcopal (Quarter): 1 ED White (Regional): 2 Opelousas Catholic (Regional): 1 Westminster (Regional): 2 Calvary (Bi-District): 2 (who lost 2-1 to Country Day, who later lost 9-0 to St. Louis) Catholic New Iberia (Bi-District): 1
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Post by upper90 on Mar 2, 2008 9:37:25 GMT -6
Flat3, the only reason why I can guess why two Calvary guys were on the list is because they had big stat numbers. Luke Nichols had something around 42 goals (all of which were against very weak teams, except for Menard), and Zac Overstreet had like 23 assists (another teammate had 19 assists, which coincedently adds up to 42. So only those two guys gave assists the entire season. I don't think so. They just stack their numbers and get stats against the teams like Buckeye and Red River.)
I think that there should have been another STA guy on there. State champs and only one person on 1st team, and two guys on 2nd team? Also should have been Redmon or Copesky. I've seen Redmon play and he's legit. I don't think Jeff Hampton should have gotten 1st team either. Definately 2nd team though.
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Post by tigerdawg on Mar 2, 2008 9:43:02 GMT -6
I agree with flat 3. How does jordan redmon get left off this list! You can not name me one defender on the first or second team that he is not better than. Also, the players from uhigh are listed as midfielders. Neither of them were midfielders. The voting also seems pretty scewed again towards St. Louis. A year that they did not win state. How do they place as many players on the first team as newman. Newman was up 3 to 0 and handling their business and then they got scored on in the closing minutes of the game. What about the disparity between st. louis and sta. How does STA, the state champions, get less than st. louis. According to this list. St. Louis should have won state hands down and they got bounced in the semis with only one quality win in the playoffs vs episcopal. And with that close win over episcopal....episcopal only receives 1 player on the all state team. Arguably the best player on episcopal does not even make second team all state. Episcopal receives as many players on the all state team as OC. Who they beat like 5 to 2. Episcopal and Uhigh have been consistently been ranked in the top 6 all season long and to only have 3 players representing the baton rouge area, with no guys on the first team, is to quote flat 3 "terrible".
Instead of having secret votes and ballots this should all be done in person. I think all of the coaches should be in the room at the same time this might cut out some of these ridiclous nominations and placements of players on teams that don't belong and hopefully putting the more deserving players on the right team that do belong. This might be difficult for all the coaches to attend however this might give the all state selections more credibility and substance across the board.
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Post by Pitchstalker on Mar 2, 2008 9:47:47 GMT -6
All State Process
1. Coach joins LHSSCA - receives nomination form. Has to decide who to nominate and send it in on time. If they don't do this then their players don't get nominated, UNLESS someone from another team nominates their players. (My personal thoughts are the MORE players you nominate from your team, then you do a diservice to them. The votes will be spread out amongst them and then you decrease the chances of any of them making the team. MAYBE you feel that your entire team should be ALL STATE that's fine, but no one else will, that's a fact. The coach should be very selective with this honor to give his guys a chance to get voted for. There are TONS of good players spread out across the state and they aren't all located on one team.)If you didn't make the list it might not be that you weren't selected it might be that you were not ever nominated...so we weren't given the option to vote for you.
2. The coach must actually VOTE when he receives the Ballot and get it in on time. In Div. I twice as many coaches voted than in Div. II and 3. And the numbers aren't that big comparatively speaking to the numbers of teams in the state. This is where the problem is...it's not with the coaches that ARE voting. They are doing their job...its with the ones that either forget or never bother to vote. I encourage ALL coaches to vote...even if they don't have players nominated themselves they can still HELP select players that SHOULD be on the team.
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Post by lsyou4ever on Mar 2, 2008 10:17:46 GMT -6
I need to speak up for the coaches that voted. The problem is NOT with the coaches that voted. It's with the coaches that did not vote. That's where the problem is.....coaches not voting. Pitchstalker: I'm ok with the secret ballot (as long as you don't vote for your own players) BUT on the other issue -- how about somebody providing a list of the schools that had representatives that voted? I can't see where that should be a secret.
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Post by Pitchstalker on Mar 2, 2008 10:29:09 GMT -6
Not sure how the by-laws are written...the LHSSCA like any association has by-laws they follow. It's probably not written in there for that to be advertised, I'm just guessing. I just think coaches need to understand that voting for All District, All Metro, and All State is a responsibility...it's part of their job...even if they don't have people on the team they make it a more legitimate process.
I think fans/players need to understand that this will NEVER be a perfect process (my opinion). There are too many great players in the state and the coaches can't see them all. AS a player do not EXPECT one of these honors....rate yourself on the performance you give and the praises you get from those CLOSEST to you. If you happen to be selected then it's an extra honor...it doesn't discredit you if you aren't selected.
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Post by flat3 on Mar 2, 2008 14:13:03 GMT -6
Thanks, Pitchstalker, for taking time (again) to explain the process. We learn A LOT from you posts. lsyou4ever made a good point. "how about somebody providing a list of the schools that had representatives that voted?" I agree. Your point that "There are TONS of good players spread out across the state and they aren't all located on one team" is a good one, except that this is more true for DI than for DII or DIII. Oh well, I got to let it go, I guess. Before that, I say more more time. THIS LIST IS TERRIBLE. Thank you.
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Post by theveritas on Mar 2, 2008 14:48:48 GMT -6
The "Veritas", just a quick bit of explanation of what that word means to those of you that don't know. It is a Latin word that means TRUTH and you will see it on the STA jerseys. Here's the "veritas" about the all state selections. Everyone that is on the list is certainly an accomplished player, but this is suppose to be the list of the best players in the state. You earn that honor by winning, and winning a state championship should be the deciding factor as to what team has the best players. The fact that STA had only one kid to make first team as an offensive player and another to make the second team while only one defender was selected on the second team is so far from the "truth" that those voting on it ought to be ashamed--how's that for the "truth".
How does Newman get four on first team and one on second and play STA twice this year and never score a goal in 180 minutes. I wonder who thier first teamers think is the best defenders in the state, maybe we ought to ask them and let them vote on it. I don't want to even get started on the fact that St. Louis placed three on first team and two on second. When Coach Coxie of STA was interviewed after the game, he basically stated that 'once we got the one goal I just relied on my strength, my defense, just like I have all year'. (Hellooo, anybody out there listening?)
STA has played the last two years with a converted mid-fielder as a goalie; to his credit he has worked hard at learing the position and has done a great job. But you can believe this, if he had not had a line of defenders in front of him that were not ALL STATE caliber players, STA would not be the Division III state champion that they are. Thank goodness nobody gets to vote on who the best team is in the state--and that is the "veritas". The voters may have taken away some All State selections from us, but they can't vote away our STATE CHAMPIONSHIP TITLE.
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Post by Pitchstalker on Mar 2, 2008 16:10:32 GMT -6
I don't receive the nominations for Div. III because only Div. III coaches are involved in that process so I don't know how many STA kids were actually nominated...that might shed light on the subject as well.
HOWEVER....your best line is the last line. You WON state...that's all that should matter.
As a coach...at the beginning of the year we don't talk about how many All Staters we will produce this year....we talk about winning games and winning STATE! That's a reflection of YOUR TEAM...which is where the focus should be.
Not making All State does not discredit anyone's individual achievements. You should base that off of the opinion of those closest to you and not put so much stock in whether or not you make an All State list.
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Post by saderpowernola on Mar 2, 2008 16:32:49 GMT -6
if you were the best player in the state and you didn't win state, and you didnt make even the all state 2nd team your telling me you wouldnt be mad?
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Post by azzurri on Mar 2, 2008 17:56:41 GMT -6
Well I'll "get started " on St. Louis placing three on the first team. There may be players as good, but there aren't three better. That said, they got picked , because they earned it. Coaches voted for them. Winning state does not mean you have the best 11 players in the state, you have the best TEAM, and only at that point in time.
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Post by stafalcon22 on Mar 2, 2008 18:21:25 GMT -6
Well I'll "get started " on St. Louis placing three on the first team. There may be players as good, but there aren't three better. That said, they got picked , because they earned it. Coaches voted for them. Winning state does not mean you have the best 11 players in the state, you have the best TEAM, and only at that point in time. im not necessarily talking about stl here, but..... were u at the game? if hampton is such a good forward then why couldnt he get the ball up top?? why did he move back to get the ball and then try to move forward?? b/c STA's defense stopped him from getting it. doesnt that show that STA's defense deserves some recognition beyond ONE 2nd teamer, u cant just judge a player off of what is said u have to watch the players yourself, and if u would have watched the finals then u would agree that STA deserves more than one player on the 1st and two on the second!!
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Post by soccer09 on Mar 2, 2008 18:29:32 GMT -6
good God, you win state, prove you deserve to be number 1...and STA players still find something to complain about. look you put three players on the all-state team, that's good. be happy, you won state, that's what matters. stop btching
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Post by nolaball on Mar 2, 2008 18:32:50 GMT -6
One thing no one should whine about is St L. They are not over represented.
Still, the players should pick. They seem to know and care more than the coaches.
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Post by panther002 on Mar 2, 2008 19:19:56 GMT -6
I agree nolaball. How awesome would it be if the players picked and not the coaches. There would be some favoritism issues, but guidelines could be set where a player could not vote for his teammate -high school or club- or something to that effect.
I'm a player and I would be as or more honored if another player, not a coach, felt that I was worthy of All-State.
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Post by tigerdawg on Mar 2, 2008 20:52:11 GMT -6
st l not over represented....they have 5 players that made all state and they didn't even make the finals and STA only has 3 and they won it all. according to this logic uhigh should receive 3 more players on the all state team. they made it to the semis finals and lost to STA. what does it take to have more players from STA on the all state team? They won it all and they beat newman twice who handled st. l. STA proved it on the field and their players should be rewarded by having more players on all state than newman and st. l. STA was just as talented as those two teams and they won the ultimate goal a state championship. IF the roles were reversed you know that newman and st l would be saying the same thing that stafalcon22 is saying.
soccer09....I think stafalcon22 has a legitimate complaint with the lack of respect his players received by not having more on the all state team.
Like I said earlier, have all the coaches present, b/c I don't think a coach could or would nominate more players than the state champion.
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Post by lcpsoccermom on Mar 2, 2008 21:51:25 GMT -6
Winning state does not mean you have all the best players it means in a given point in time you have the best team. Sometimes the best team is made up of players who are not necessarily the best soccer players individually. This happens in all sports at all levels. There are plenty of teams in all sports who don't win, but have one or two star players, and they get recognized for their talent. And, there are plenty of teams who win with a roster of good players but no stars. And those individuals do not get recognized. So saying that an all-state team should be made up mostly of the players on the championship team is ridiculous. An all-state team should recognize individual talent regardless of the win-lost record of the team they play on. But there are always going to be individuals who don't get recognized. But if they play on a winning team, that should be the most important honor-that they are part of a successful team.
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Post by stafalcon4show on Mar 2, 2008 21:55:45 GMT -6
pitchstalker- Our focus was the title, and thats why we got it. At the begining of the season we did not say "hmmmm Our focus should be to try to see how many all-staters we will have" good thing that wasnt our focus, we wouldn't have achieved that goal. -Don't get so defensive, were just putting in our 2 cents. I hope that is ok with you
soccer09- man your so bad man, ooooh your so bad man, "Bad boy bad boy watcha gonna do watcha gonna do when i type to you bad boy bad boy." Your not that bad because you can sit behind a screen name and you found a way to spell btiching* without having it get deleted. You can say we whine and complain, but when we argued earlier in the year a/b Newman being #2 why shouldnt we have? We beat them right? But wait you guys said that beating a team doesnt necessarily mean that you should be ranked ahead of them, but guess what, we proved that theory wrong February 22nd, so we had reason to argue. I was right and yall got proved wrong. So shut up a/b us complaining. -The least Newman could do was score on us.
I will make one comment about all state, my boy alex cervantes got robbed by Hampton. 2nd team??? You kiddin me. Cervantes dropped 4 on Newman out of the last 3 times we've met. -And like I said, the least Newman could do was score on us this year.
-I play for STA. Although I will stick up for my teamates and STA fans, I could care less if I got all-state, of course I wanted to but i could really care less if I made the all-team or not. You know why? -because at the end of the day, I got that ring on my finger- and thats all i care about
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Post by boomboomgoal on Mar 2, 2008 22:19:13 GMT -6
Michael Lapira - MVP
I was right again
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