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Post by worldcupone on Feb 23, 2006 8:58:00 GMT -6
Justsumfan, so you know Mitch Jacobs.
You want to tell his side of the story?
It is always the ultimate responsibility of the ref to keep control of the game. Any time there is a breakdown the buck must stop with him.
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Post by ooldschool on Feb 23, 2006 9:37:14 GMT -6
Not a big fan of Louisiana ref's, if anyone has read any of my other post through out the year, but Mitch is a very good ref. I wish someone would give his side, and then we could move on. The calibur of soccer in this state is catching up with other states but the ref's or not, in my humble opinion. The reffing crew for this game was probably the best to call a game like this but I can't see Mitch losing his cool without being provoked. Why would the officials statements not be made public?
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Post by ithappens on Feb 23, 2006 9:37:48 GMT -6
mitch is quality
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Post by bignasty on Feb 23, 2006 10:19:19 GMT -6
I would disagree it is the responsibility of the referee to control the players, he has limited control over coach's, if i read the high school rule correctly. LHSAA has the referees report from all 4 officials, that is their side. I have seen it. I think it is best to let that report stand for its self. I feel and this is my feeling that the referee crew did what they could at the time, i agree the police should not have gotten involved at all, the school administrators should have gotten the coach out of there, and on that note the "coach Adam Reborn" is not register with LHSAA this would be grounds for a forfeit if i read the handbook correctly. It is a minimum of a $500 dollar fine. lastly this raborn told the referee crew he was the head coach, turns out he was not on any roster that LHSAA has so he was misleading himself. All in all i think alot of small things happened here that all came together to be bad, it is human nature to blame one person. That is why so many people blame referees. BUT I DO AGREE THAT THE POLICE SHOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN INVOLVED. if they did not then we would have nothing to talk about on this thread. The refs are the ones that called in the police. I believe it was the assistant ref on the sub side.
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Post by McScruff on Feb 23, 2006 10:48:16 GMT -6
Man, it sure is a shame that such a great great game, and very hard and cleanly played, is being so completely overshadowed. Two teams played their hearts out on the fields and showed the ultimate respect for each other, in my opinion. There was great skill on both sides. The players played hard but under control. I didn't see any cheap fouls or dirty play. So, I disagree with everyone who has posted saying that any of this has to do with an escalation in the Lafayette/Jesuit rivalry. Because there was nothing but great soccer going on between the two teams on the field.
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Post by LafayetteDad on Feb 23, 2006 10:48:48 GMT -6
www.nola.com/prepsoccer/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/114067836095180.xmlReport on soccer incident goes to DA LHSAA's Henry cites series of breakdowns Thursday, February 23, 2006 By Pierce W. Huff Staff writer The investigation into a dispute involving a Lafayette soccer player, assistant coach and referee that ended with the Lafayette Police Department questioning the three during halftime of a quarterfinals match against Jesuit continued Wednesday. Lieutenant Dwayne Arceneaux of the Lafayette Police Department said Wednesday that reports on the incident have been completed and forwarded to the district attorney's office, but no charges have been filed. The head referee in the match has been identified by coaches as Mitch Jacobs of the Baton Rouge Soccer Officials Association. Jacobs told reporters after Lafayette's 2-1 victory Tuesday that his name was "Brian Hall." Jacobs could not be reached for comment Wednesday. The dispute started after Jesuit's Stephen Duncan scored a first-half goal that Lafayette players and coaches thought should have been disallowed because they thought Duncan was offsides. Shortly after, Jacobs ejected Lafayette assistant coach Adam Rayborn. The Lafayette police got involved at halftime when Jacobs asked the police to escort Rayborn off the field. Jacobs also threatened to press charges against Rayborn, who allegedly threatened the official after Rayborn was ejected. Police also questioned Jacobs about a verbal altercation he had in the first half with Lafayette player Eric Ellis regarding the disputed non-call. Halftime was extended from 10 minutes to 40 minutes because of the situation. Jesuit coach Hubie Collins said Wednesday his players lost a little focus during the delay but that wasn't the reason the Blue Jays' 48-match winning streak came to an end. "When you look at the game and the two teams, I don't think there was anything bad that took place," Collins said. "There weren't any yellow or red cards. The two teams played hard." Bob Wertz, director of the state soccer officials association, said the Lafayette police talked to Jacobs for about an hour after Tuesday's match and that Wertz plans to investigate the incident. "Right now it's pretty hard to tell, but I've talked to almost everybody involved, and there seem to be two problems," he said. "One problem involves (Rayborn) and the second involves how the Lafayette Police Department got involved with an athletic contest before it was over." Tommy Henry, the commissioner of the Louisiana High School Athletic Association, said the association has talked to representatives with Jesuit and Lafayette about the incident, and there will not be a sportsmanship hearing on the matter. Henry said there was a breakdown of contest management with the official or officials in charge of the event, in game management with the referee and team management with the coaches involved. "Any time one of those three areas or all three of those areas have a breakdown, then you're going to have something like this," Henry said. "Also, the kids in the games have to control themselves." Henry said the incidents presented a "no-win situation." "This is the most bizarre thing that has ever happened in a game," said Henry, who has been commissioner since 1983. "It's unfortunate that this happened in a playoff game in which kids have worked hard to get to that point in the season." Henry said he has been told by people that Jacobs is a good official, but things just got out of hand. "We just didn't control the match the way I want to see games controlled," Henry said. Tim Flannery, an associate director for the National Federation of State High School Associations, said incidents like the one during Tuesday's boys playoff soccer match set a "terrible precedent" and are "very negative and hurtful to high school sports." Last month, the Madison (Wis.) Police Department investigated whether to file battery charges against a high school hockey player for hitting an opposing player during a game and causing him to lose his spleen. Flannery, also the editor of the association's soccer rule book, said he has never heard of anything such as what happened during the Jesuit-Lafayette match. "I think that people involved in situations like these with officials sometimes forget the purpose of athletics is that it is an extension of the classroom," he said. Soccer ranks fifth in participation among high school sports, with about354,587 boys and 316,104 girls playing across the country. But Flannery said the future of soccer, or any sport, is in question when police start becoming part of the game. "Once police are involved in interscholastic sports, I think it is one of the first steps toward the end of the game," he said. "When that happens, with more regularity at some point, it's going to be easy for school districts to decide that they don't want to have a sport and that they are going to get rid of it." Flannery said situations such as what happened in the Jesuit-Lafayette game undermine the games. "Games are supposed to be a positive experience," he said. "We're going in the path in interscholastic sports where if someone doesn't win, then somebody has to get the blame." Flannery also said situations like the Jesuit-Lafayette game could affect the number of people who wish to be referees in the future, because they won't want to be involved in similar situations. "Without officials, you don't play the game," he said. "Officials are under the microscope because they have the coaches on them, they have the players on them and they have the fans on them." . . . . . . . Pierce W. Huff can be reached at phuff@timespicayune.com or (504) 826-3809.
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Post by LafayetteDad on Feb 23, 2006 10:59:25 GMT -6
For "justsumfan", you seem to be privy to information that I would not believe to be in the public domain, -- i.e. the referees' reports and discussions concerning a possible forfeit. If the refs' reports are public information, where could we get a copy?
As for the "Brian Hall" business, I too was perplexed at first, because Mitch Jacobs is perhaps the best known ref in Louisiana. As a matter of fact, I actually told him, "Good job, Mitch" as he and the rest of the crew were leaving the field after the game.
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Post by Ghandi on Feb 23, 2006 11:13:40 GMT -6
Mitch is a good ref, and besides two judgement calls, kept both this years quaters and last years finals in tact.
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Post by badge on Feb 23, 2006 11:18:55 GMT -6
"Man, it sure is a shame that such a great great game, and very hard and cleanly played, is being so completely overshadowed. Two teams played their hearts out on the fields and showed the ultimate respect for each other, in my opinion. There was great skill on both sides. The players played hard but under control. I didn't see any cheap fouls or dirty play. So, I disagree with everyone who has posted saying that any of this has to do with an escalation in the Lafayette/Jesuit rivalry. Because there was nothing but great soccer going on between the two teams on the field. "
I totally agree with McScruff.
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Post by babunch24 on Feb 23, 2006 14:19:15 GMT -6
Another referee post in one of the opening threads after someone posted the paper article, said that the referees name was wrong, The referee told me that he never talked to the press. So that would probably be why they got his name wrong, however it has been a long running joke with many referees to call this referee in question that, as he is probably in high gear to making it to that level in the near future. On a different note, many officials have been harassed, threated, stalked, and the list can go on and on. After games for calls they made or did not make. Even there family's have had the harassment. Now i know what your are saying not in Louisiana right? Wrong, one New Orleans referee had this happen to him 5 years ago after refereeing a Jesuit game, and Jesuit lost. The US Marshals Service had to get involved. Further more not one of the NBA officials give there real name, all the names that are announced on TV are not correct, why? Because of security reason, that is why the crews names were not said at the game. lastly the referee crew had to be payed for the game right? so they had to turn in paperwork, there correct names were on there, the coaches new who the referees were, most of the players knew who the referees were. This is really all that matters. I don't think this that big of a deal. It was not the right name, but i surely was not going to run out and post the referees real names, it is not safe. Furthermore the referee crew never talked to the paper so they got there information from another source, beside how much of the news can we really belief? First of all, before I get started, I want to extend my compliments on this website. It's very informative and a good asset to someone like myself, who is still in the early stages of learning soccer. Now, on to the matter at hand. I'm the person who wrote the article in the Advertiser. I don't know what Mr. Jacobs is trying to accomplish by lying to you also, but I can undeniably say that he was in fact approached by reporters after the game. Myself, another Advertiser reporter and Pierce Huff with the Times-Picayune were all there, walking step-for-step with him. Pierce asked him if he would like to comment for the newspaper and he said no. The other Advertiser reporter asked again "Do you have anything to say about what happened?" And he said, "No." Then the same reporter asked "Well, can you tell us your name?" Mr. Jacobs responded, "Brian Hall." Our reporter then said, "Brian Hall, just like it sounds?" He replied, "Yes." Our reporter said, "H-A-L-L?" He replied, "Yes." And that was that. He walked off the field and we reported what he told us. For the record, I have no reason to make anything up, I have no agenda or score to settle. This is my first year of covering soccer on a full-time level and I wouldn't know Brian Hall (the FIFA guy) if he walked up to me and punched me in the face. I also don't know Mitch Jacobs. Everyone complains that the "real story" wasn't presented. Well, that's what happens when the one person involved in the whole thing refuses to talk. Then you have to go by witnesses and police officers. If Mr. Jacobs would have 1.) given his correct name in the first place and 2.) given his side of the story, everything would be a lot clearer right now. But he didn't, therefore you have one side of the story (witnesses). And again, for the record, the police were CALLED to the scene. They weren't already there, the cop that was there was working security for the event and was not on-duty. The police were CALLED when Eric Ellis asked that charges be pressed on Mr. Jacobs (AKA Brian Hall). Contrary to rumors, the Lafayette assistant was not taken away in handcuffs. That information came directly from Sargent Cornelle Montgomery from the Lafayette PD. Personally (not the reporter talking here), I think the whole situation was blown completely out of proportion. What took place was a few individuals letting their emotions get the best of them. In the end, cooler heads prevailed and the fans were treated to a spectacular match. The event wasn't indicative of soccer, as some people are insinuating, nor is it a normal occurrence. In fact, as Tommy Henry said, this was a rare thing, the rarest of the rare, something he's never encountered in his 20+ years as commissioner. It's unfortunate that this even will give soccer a black eye, because it will continue to be written about/talked about. The kids that play soccer have all been very pleasant to work with and they deserve better.
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Post by hdkjga on Feb 23, 2006 14:25:40 GMT -6
This is the first year that this coaching staff is coaching at Lafayette.
I think the horse is dead enough. There isn't going to be a forfeit of the game, there is no controversy with the game. Off-field stuff is the only problem right now.
In my honest opinion, I don't think charges should have been pressed. I have seen coaches escprted away from fields by security before. It is embarassing to see that, but it happens. Whichever person decided to start with the pressing charges, is the catalyst for all of this. If he doesn't press charges (which have technically not been pressed according to the papers), none of this would have happened and we would be focusing on the 6 good games coming up, instead of this junk.
Who cares if the papers got the wrong name of the ref? It doesn't affect anything. It was just a stupid fiasco by people who have too big of egos, and it shuoldn't overshadow the amazing match that took place, without any on-field incident, and the rest of the playoff games.
Newspapers don't know what happened. They know that something happened, and that it gives them something to write about for Wednesday and Thursday until the girls' semis matches are played. I have seen the center do games before, and he is one fo the better refs in the state. The whole halftime thing is just getting overkilled at this point.
Honestly, there are better things to talk about, then to guess at what might have happened at the halftime of a soccer game.
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Post by worldcupone on Feb 23, 2006 14:27:29 GMT -6
Thanks babunch24 for the info. Good to get the "straight story" here.
It is important, let's not sweep mistakes under the rug. If we do then improvements will never be made.
We are all human and make mistakes. Only by admitting we made the mistakes can we correct them and make it better in the future.
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Post by araborn on Feb 23, 2006 15:05:35 GMT -6
Holy Smokes, are you saying this guy Raborn isn't even listed as a coach for Lafayette with LHSAA. This could be serious. Let's turn the spotlight on him little bit, what does anyone know about this guy Raborn. Seems like maybe the referee wasn't the only person misrepresenting himself. How is he allowed to coach if he doesn't have a coaching license through LHSAA? Can you imagine the B/S if it was learned the referee wasn't registered with LHSAA to referee HS games in Louisiana? Could Lafayette be fined for letting him coach the team, could he be barred from coaching anymore Lafayette games? He definitely was the one giving all the instructions to the players in all the games I went to. The older guy (coach) just sat there and never said anything. Is anyone able to say where Raborn is from, what level coaching license he holds, what other coaching jobs has he held. How long has he been coaching at Lafayette, how many games has he been sent off from this year. Does anyone know anything about the man? Am I correct in thinking that if he hadn't refused to leave after been sent off there would have been no reason to get the police involved, etc.etc. I asked someone on here to PM if they wanted to know about me and not ask the entire forum. Instead this person insists on finding out facts about me by asking the forum. If ANYONE wants to know ANYTHING about me, just ask me in a PM. That way all facts are correct and straight from the horses mouth. Also, if you're going to ask about me, don't block me from sending you PM's, that just makes no sense whatsoever.
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Post by butch101789 on Feb 23, 2006 16:23:55 GMT -6
who do's it the biggest now jesuit
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Post by chillcrunk on Feb 23, 2006 16:29:53 GMT -6
yall still lost. yall just get to advance.
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Post by reccos110 on Feb 24, 2006 7:05:22 GMT -6
Manchurianman deleted some of his posts. Guess he stirred up the pot and ran.
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Post by LafayetteDad on Feb 24, 2006 7:14:39 GMT -6
Curiouser and curiouser. As per my last post on this thread, I alluded to remarks made by justsumfam yesterday morning concerning his having read the refs' reports and knew of the disqualification discussion. However, those statements are no longer on the board. I am sure I read them on this thread. If some one can find them, please indicate one what thread they are. I looked up his postings through his screen name and couldn't find it either. If those remarks were deleted, I would like to know why and by whom.
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Post by raoul on Feb 24, 2006 8:13:16 GMT -6
It is interesting to note that the CEPC rules stated on the LHSAA website apparently contradict the rule stated in the handbook----one requires a fulltime college student to be exempt,, the other only mentions certain majors who will be exempt. The website also mentions that the rules clinics were suspended due to hurricane, so how are first year personnel expected to be trained? How were the rules promulgated to the new coaches?----Any answers out there, or only questions? Also---Is there an absolute deadline for reporting or merely a fine for late reporting? Hope the committee thinks about these!
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Post by raoul on Feb 24, 2006 8:18:23 GMT -6
Perhaps words like "due Process" or "equal protection" could find their way to someone's lips. Or even "irreparable harm" even? In this 1 PM meeting
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Post by Bish on Feb 24, 2006 8:20:10 GMT -6
Curiouser and curiouser. As per my last post on this thread, I alluded to remarks made by justsumfam yesterday morning concerning his having read the refs' reports and knew of the disqualification discussion. However, those statements are no longer on the board. I am sure I read them on this thread. If some one can find them, please indicate one what thread they are. I looked up his postings through his screen name and couldn't find it either. If those remarks were deleted, I would like to know why and by whom. It's a conspiracy man! Yeah I remember that being posted earlier too.
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