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Post by britspub on May 1, 2010 15:43:40 GMT -6
After watching the Champions League games this week and all the flopping for calls that occurred in both games, I had a bad idea. What if the referees went one step further and called every flop a foul. Since it now happens so often, a game would turn into a free kick fest and beome unwatchable. Maybe then the players would get the message and stop flopping every time they lose possession. We could add cards to every flop as well so that by the end of the half there would not be enough players on the field to continue the game. We are certainly seeing flopping in high school and the older age groups, and I have even seen some U11 players do it. Terrible idea, I know, but it would show how bad the situation can get. Comments?
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Post by upper90 on May 5, 2010 14:30:18 GMT -6
Flopping is apart of every contact sport. You'll never get rid of it.
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Post by mswilb on Jul 4, 2011 9:30:30 GMT -6
Why not make a player that is carried off the field for injury wait 5 minutes, to let the medical staff ensure he is capable of continuing, before letting him back on the field
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Jul 4, 2011 9:42:42 GMT -6
It should be a standing rule. In the last 10 minutes of any game, if a player on the team in the lead goes down with an injury, an automatic yellow and added time. I guarantee that the late minute injuries would completely disappear.
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Post by upper90 on Jul 4, 2011 14:32:02 GMT -6
I think a possible solution would be that when any player gets "fouled" and lays on the ground for anything over 10-20 seconds, that player must be escorted off of the field and must sit out for 5 minutes.
Stevie G, I think your solution works well too.
Something else I have heard from other people is that a referee looks at questionable fouls after the game via replays. If he deems that a player dove in a crucial part of the game and it affected the outcome, he will be suspended X amount of games. Harsh, but could solve the problem.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Jul 4, 2011 17:46:51 GMT -6
For younger kids, I think them sitting out for at least five minutes is good. I am not for carding them. My daughter was taken down by a player just after she had passed the ball. Ref didn't see because he was watching ball. She hit her head hard on the ground.
This was the last couple of minutes. She sat the rest of the game- she needed to. Don't think she should have been carded.
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Post by coachray40 on Jul 4, 2011 22:05:58 GMT -6
As a referee, I just tell them to get up, and add time if they are the team in the lead. Flopping needs to be dealt with by:
1) Ignoring it---let them flop and keep the play moving
2) warning the persistent offenders. Persistent infringement is a cautionable and subsequently a send-off offense. I see no problem with interpreting the concept of persistent infringement as one that could apply to a team as well as an individual. The "bollocking, booking, and bath" approach will work fine. Verbal the first diver, caution the second one and warn the rest through their captain that the next Greg Louganis wannabe is sitting down. I'm sure that will end the diving.
3) Add time to the game as the need arises. For all the complaining that gets made about soccer's "stoppage time", it is probably one of the best rules in sports to combat this kind of behavior.
I think too much diving takes place because the refs allow it. Nip it in the bud right away---the same way you would deal with reckless play or mouthy players. I have a ZERO tolerance for dissent, which I make clear to the captains prior to the start of the match. Even an "aw, cmon ref" will be enough to earn a verbal warning at a minimum. Be proactive and problems usually disappear, because players want to play, not watch.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Jul 4, 2011 22:24:27 GMT -6
I have no problem with a player that has to have help to get up having to sit for a predetermined time. If they are truly hurt they should take a few minutes to make sure they are ok to continue. If they are faking then that is an incentive to not do it.
I also don't have a problem with added time for stoppage.
However I only think they should be carded if the ref is absolutely positively sure that it is a dive. A players team being ahead does not necessarily mean that the player is not injured.
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Post by coachray40 on Jul 4, 2011 22:32:28 GMT -6
agreed. One common misconception about diving is when a player that has been fouled but COULD stay up and play the advantage goes to ground. That is NOT a dive....perhaps maybe an EMBELLISHMENT, but it they have been fouled, and choose to go down....then, well..its a foul. There is nothing in the laws of the game that mandate a player must make use of an advantage call. I think some players try TOO HARD to keep going when they are fouled and use the advantage. Doesnt always work out for them.
Diving to me is when either no contact is made and a player acts as though there has been, or when regular contact is made that is not a foul, and then a player embellishes. Good officials can see through it.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Jul 4, 2011 22:42:46 GMT -6
I misunderstood about what a dive was as well.
Sometimes even good referees may not see the contact or foul (although I guess technically it is not a foul unless it is called). After all they only have two eyes and there are a lot of players out there.
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Post by happyjack on Jul 5, 2011 11:50:55 GMT -6
Ray, you may want to go bone up on the USSF 7 + 7 memorandum that clearly states that a player who "exaggerates" the severity of a foul is to be shown a mandatory caution. Embellishment is nothing worse than a dive meant to bring disrespect to the game and should be dealt with just as harshly.
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