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Post by Scott Crawford on Dec 29, 2010 12:45:31 GMT -6
I agree with hdkjga. The person with the best vantage of the play and whose main job is to watch for offside called it offside. The assistant referee's call, not the pressure of Jesuit players, is why the offside call was upheld.
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Post by barnacle13 on Dec 29, 2010 12:53:00 GMT -6
Also, a CR should always defer to his AR on offsides. If the AR called it, then it should stand unless the CR has better poisitioning which should never happen. I think it is unfair to imply that the Jesuit parents, players or coach had anything to do with that call when the AR had already made the call. Having reffed myself, I have to agree. I've had to call off a goal that the AR threw the flag up on. It wasn't a coach, player, or parent who swayed my decision. The only input I needed was from my AR. This is also what makes the three ref system superior to the two ref system. Having that AR in position for the call makes all the difference. Sounds like a great game between two outstanding teams. I wish I could have been there to enjoy it. Thanks for the commentary! It really helped pass the luch hour.
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Post by M Unit on Dec 29, 2010 13:06:33 GMT -6
I agree w/both of you. I'm sure being surrounded by the Jays had no bearing at all. He calmly walked over to AR, exhanged a word or 2, and had to go w/AR's call. Couldn't sell his man out like that. He had the better vantage point than CR. Still say it was a questionable offsides call. I was right there w/the same line of view as AR.
It was a very defensive battle all match long, and the Jays got the toughly-earned victory. And they scored as I had predicted in an earlier post: they are very good at making sure they crowd the net to be in the right place at the right time for any rebounds/miscues/2nd opps.
M Unit
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Post by Coach D on Dec 29, 2010 13:51:21 GMT -6
Lucky goal by jays, could havbe gone either way. Lucky deflections in the box, ball fell to forwards feet. My mother could have finshed that one.
Good match though, defense was solid on both sides throughout the game.
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Post by coachray40 on Dec 29, 2010 13:57:24 GMT -6
Wasnt there, but we all got what we wanted which was the top 2 teams playing against each other . Jesuit is the clear cut #1, most likely for the rest of the year, as they really wont have that tough a ride. St Pauls HAS to be #2--nobody can advocate them being dropped further without being drug tested! 1 goal seperates these two teams in two outings. Hopefully they can both advance to the state finals where they can play again.
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Post by barnacle13 on Dec 29, 2010 13:59:30 GMT -6
Lucky goal by jays, could havbe gone either way. Lucky deflections in the box, ball fell to forwards feet. My mother could have finshed that one. Good match though, defense was solid on both sides throughout the game. Luck doesn't put you in the right place to finish! I've seen many deflections/bobbles/etc. that the keeper was able to snatch up because the attacking team wasn't aggressive around the goal. It takes a good team to crowd the box and trust their defense to stop any counters that may develop. Sounds like it was a hard fought victory by Jesuit. If the tables were turned an St. Paul's scored off of a rebound to win would that also be luck or aggressive play that led to their victory. Don't lessen the victory by calling it lucky. Both teams played hard and Jesuit pulled out the victory. Let's all hope we're lucky enough to see the rematch in the playoffs!
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Post by zidane10 on Dec 29, 2010 14:00:08 GMT -6
kinda disappointed with the match today. close with a few exciting moments, but there weren't a whole lot of chances either way. schwing from sps had a couple of exciting volleys from far out, but i'm not sure either stood a chance. adrian had a long free kick that the jesuit keeper collected well. could've been dangerous if someone had gotten a foot on it or if he had bobbled it. regarding the offsides goal that got taken away: jesuit stopped playing after they saw AR's flag and allowed a goal that probably shouldn't have happened (and which wound up being rescinded). i was on sps side and didn't have good angle on the offsides, but jesuit clearly stopped once they saw the flag up. center had a rough game, missing calls on both ends. cabos provided most of jesuit's opportunities. he got robbed by barnett with the low glove save pitchstalker talked about. btw, barnett played a great match. first time i've seen him tested, and he responded well. cabos also had a clever through ball from outside the 18 in the first half that didn't get finished. as usual, jays were dangerous on their free kicks. back lines were well-organized. the game was especially sloppy after jesuit scored. i think both teams are better than they played today and hope to see them meet down the road
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Post by lurker on Dec 29, 2010 14:11:39 GMT -6
Sounds like a deflected shot and the team crashed the goal...that's not luck. Give them credit.
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Post by engo7 on Dec 29, 2010 14:40:23 GMT -6
J's starting back 4 were #3 Barbara (Sr), #16 Ciaccio (Sr), #9 Hicks (Jr), #6 Napolitano (Sr). All play for the CFJLA U18 RPL team. Subbing this evening v Laffy was #4 Cookmeyer (Jr). All play for the CFJLA U18 RPL teamDoesn't that say it all. That is the reason why Jesuit is always the team to beat. Is this the sole reason Jesuit is always the team to beat. St. Paul also is loaded with RPL talent, including a member of the same CFLA U18 RPL team and most of the Laker U17 RPL team. At this level of play it is not only the talent but the TEAM as well. Jesuit has learned to take talent year after year and create a team that plays for JESUIT first. Always 30+ with every junior and senior playing for Jesuit forming a part of their varsity team and supporting wholeheartedly both their school and the players on the field. Whether they will ever see the field, every player is working together to keep Jesuit at the top. With this much talent it would be easy for egos and player competition to keep a team from competing at its best. This never seems to be a problem for Jesuit. While St. Paul, Lafayette and other top programs have tallied losses over the years, even to seamingly weaker district opponents, Jesuit has built an impressive 82 game streak without a loss that spans a number of seasons. Though the talent is obvious, we cannot ignore the intangibles necessary to keep a group of 17-18 year old kids playing at their best year after year after year. Remember other teams have had the talent, only Jesuit has built a program that year after year keeps that talent on top.
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Post by Tiger4Life on Dec 29, 2010 14:46:49 GMT -6
After watching this match and reading most posts of the people that were there; I have to agree with all/most comments of the match. Both teams played well and I would say the match was 55-45 Jes in the 1st half and 60-40 Jes in the second half with SPS pressing more towards the end of the match. I was sitting on the SPS side and the CR did the right thing by consulting with his AR; regardless of what people may think it was or was not, but it looked like it was the right call by th AR. SPS is a strong squad but Jes looked more organized and disciplined especially in the back four(the two centerbacks are exceptional). #18 for SPS impressed me with his ability to move without the ball but needed more help in the middle of the field. SPS GK was exceptional - he made two saves that were one on one vs Cabos and #5 from Jes(Sam I believe is his first name); the goal by Jes was due to the pressure that Jes applied and the inability of the SPS defense to clear the ball at that one time; otherwise SPS defense played well. If these two teams meet in the playoff I will defnietely be there as it will a barnburner. Since this game was an official game I would rank Jes 1st and SPS 2nd regardess of other scores. Good luck to both squads; can't wait for the playoffs!!
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Post by ShreveDad on Dec 29, 2010 15:09:11 GMT -6
All play for the CFJLA U18 RPL teamDoesn't that say it all. That is the reason why Jesuit is always the team to beat. Is this the sole reason Jesuit is always the team to beat. St. Paul also is loaded with RPL talent, including a member of the same CFLA U18 RPL team and most of the Laker U17 RPL team. At this level of play it is not only the talent but the TEAM as well. Jesuit has learned to take talent year after year and create a team that plays for JESUIT first. Always 30+ with every junior and senior playing for Jesuit forming a part of their varsity team and supporting wholeheartedly both their school and the players on the field. Whether they will ever see the field, every player is working together to keep Jesuit at the top. With this much talent it would be easy for egos and player competition to keep a team from competing at its best. This never seems to be a problem for Jesuit. While St. Paul, Lafayette and other top programs have tallied losses over the years, even to seamingly weaker district opponents, Jesuit has built an impressive 82 game streak without a loss that spans a number of seasons. Though the talent is obvious, we cannot ignore the intangibles necessary to keep a group of 17-18 year old kids playing at their best year after year after year. Remember other teams have had the talent, only Jesuit has built a program that year after year keeps that talent on top. All I'm saying is that Jesuit has a talent base that no other team can match. Occasionally a team may come close. Most teams can never hope to have the talent and numbers Jesuit has year in and year out. Saying how hard it is to get 40 kids to play for the school and not themselves is a load of bull in my book. 3 quit and they still have 37 kids who are very good players. They have built in advantages and should always be the team to beat in HS soccer here in Louisiana.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Dec 29, 2010 15:37:15 GMT -6
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Post by vamioz on Dec 29, 2010 15:38:07 GMT -6
Agree 100% ShreveDad; however, next year will be different. They will not have so much talent (I know NO U17 group very well) and some other school (STP or Lafayette or...) will win it all :-)
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Post by sake on Dec 30, 2010 0:24:37 GMT -6
Lets be glad they missed all this weather, too. A good game between the two best teams in the state right now, I'm hoping to see them go head to head in the playoffs again.
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Post by nounited93 on Dec 30, 2010 8:47:42 GMT -6
Agree 100% ShreveDad; however, next year will be different. They will not have so much talent (I know NO U17 group very well) and some other school (STP or Lafayette or...) will win it all :-) Yea my money says you'll see a drop off from Jesuit for a year or two because the u17 fire team pretty much all plays for Ben franklin. Stp will have the better club kids next year.
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Post by loJic on Dec 30, 2010 10:49:16 GMT -6
Congrats to the Jays. I'm sure the Wolves are hoping for a rematch in the state finals.
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Post by shreve50 on Dec 30, 2010 23:57:26 GMT -6
Congrats to Jesuit. They have been a pain in my backside for 4 years, and I still can't get rid of them. All I can say is good for them, what a great program. The rest of us can only strive to be what the Jays are today.
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