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Post by oldhattrick3 on Feb 15, 2011 10:18:17 GMT -6
Early Predictions: First congrats to the final 4. Here we have the top 4 making it to the final 4. It is extremely difficult to get to this point of the season so its time to take a moment a realize your accomplishments..................then get focused for the task at hand. 1 Sacred Heart vs. 4 Country Day - Sacred Heart is still a team that I am impressed with, however seeing Country Day I was very impressed with their play. Sacred Heart over Country Day +1Common Opponents:| Opp | SH | CD | | Ben Franklin | W4-2, NR | W1-0 | | Newman | W3-0, W7-0 | W1-0 | | Dominican | W3-0, T0-0 | L0-3 | | McGehee | W4-0 | W3-1, W3-1 |
- I've been a Episcopal of BR fan all season, however I am very impressed with CHSNI, this is a tough one to call Episcopal of BR over CHSNI ECommon Opponents:| Opp | CHSNI | Episcopal of BR | | St. Michaels | W3-0 | W1-0 | | St. Joseph's | L0-1 | L0-6, L1-4 | | St. Amant | W2-1 | T0-0 | | ESA | W1-0(OT), W2-0 | W1-0 | | University | T1-1, W5-1 | W1-0 |
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Post by gskrfn on Feb 15, 2011 10:55:31 GMT -6
I would like to see a comparison of the common opponents of these teams as well (If you have the time and/or energy).
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Post by oldhattrick3 on Feb 15, 2011 18:05:38 GMT -6
I do
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Post by licensedsoccerdad on Feb 16, 2011 5:38:32 GMT -6
Like my comment in the D-1 Semi-Final round discussion, I know there is more to picking winners than just analyzing common opponent outcomes. Certainly, it seems like SH gets the nod based on that comparison. However, Episcopal BR does not compare favorably to CHSNI when using that criteria.
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Post by oldhattrick3 on Feb 16, 2011 9:23:42 GMT -6
Like my comment in the D-1 Semi-Final round discussion, I know there is more to picking winners than just analyzing common opponent outcomes. Certainly, it seems like SH gets the nod based on that comparison. However, Episcopal BR does not compare favorably to CHSNI when using that criteria. Its just data, you can get data in many different forms/facts. Even with that piece of data, you have to think about at what point of the season that game was played (early, middle, late) and more. As you can see even with that data I picked Episcopal. |
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Post by hasbeen24 on Feb 16, 2011 12:25:37 GMT -6
Also something to consider, I recognize a lot of those match-ups were played during tournaments early in the season. My votes also go to Sacred Heart and Episcopal-BR.
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Post by licensedsoccerdad on Feb 17, 2011 6:10:25 GMT -6
OK, I understand those arguments. I just looked at the Episcopal v CHSNI common opponents and saw it differently. In total for those games listed above, CHSNI 9 - Common Opponents 3 AND Episcopal BR 4 - Common Opponents 10. This is also with me taking out the CHSNI vs University score of 5-1 so that an equal number of games could be used for the comparison. I used that game because it was CHSNI's most lopsided victory of the lot. But, consider that this game was at the end of January and University showed very well at the end. Lastly, due the "time of season" consideration given, I looked for any matchup that might have occurred around the same time. The only common opponent played around the same time was St. Joe. Both teams played them in the St. Amant Tourney. Episcopal lost to them 6-0 while CHSNI lost 1-0. My point is that it looks like the two teams are pretty even, but depending on the spin you can argue for either one. In this one, I'm picking CHSNI. What the heck, I'm not betting my house on it. Just a friendly prediction. CHSNI over Episcopal BR +2
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Post by freekick on Feb 17, 2011 8:04:35 GMT -6
Not sure you can put much stock in the common opponents. It is reported that key players were missing in some of these early season matches that are cited.
While realizing every year is different, would anticipate similar game this year. Watched this playoff game last year. EHS had much more skilled players and played prettier soccer. CHSNI very athletic and physical; packed the box and absorbed waves of attacks backed by a phenomenal keeper. Game changed when EHS lost key defender with ACL. CHSNI won that one 1-0 on gift of an own goal. This should be a nail biter either way.
Sacred Heart has to get the nod in the other bracket.
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Post by takeashotmakeashot on Feb 17, 2011 16:03:14 GMT -6
Do all the analysis you want, it will still end up a rematch of last year's final with Sacred Heart taking on CHSNI. ASH will win by 2, and Catholic will win 3-0. These are the best programs for the last few years. In fact for as long as I can remember D3 has always had a steep drop-off between the top 2-4 teams and the rest of the bracket.
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Post by hasbeen24 on Feb 17, 2011 17:52:47 GMT -6
Do all the analysis you want, it will still end up a rematch of last year's final with Sacred Heart taking on CHSNI. ASH will win by 2, and Catholic will win 3-0. These are the best programs for the last few years. In fact for as long as I can remember D3 has always had a steep drop-off between the top 2-4 teams and the rest of the bracket. I'm not generally a fan of comparing teams based on scores of other games. I prefer to go watch the games to see which teams had possession most of the game, if players were missing, and many many more factors. But since people seem to care a lot about the comparison of scores, I did find another comparison for Episcopal-BR and Catholic-NI. Catholic-NI played Erath twice in district, both scores posted show 6-0. Episcopal-BR played them first round of playoffs with a score of 9-1. Episcopal was up 8-0 at half time and played their JV starting around 10 minutes in. For the second half, the team worked on skills other than scoring. I was also at the playoff game last year for these two teams (CHS and EHS). I remember EHS having possession for the majority of that game and had many opportunities on goal. Unfortunately, none were made. CHS's keeper was amazing during that game. So, I would disagree with a 3 point differential for these two teams. Of course, my favor is for Episcopal but I think this game will be a lot closer than many assume. |
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Post by rockbro on Feb 17, 2011 20:50:12 GMT -6
SC vs CD should be over, no score?
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Post by NutMeg on Feb 17, 2011 21:09:08 GMT -6
Sacred Heart - 5
Country Day - 0
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Post by cajunsfan on Feb 17, 2011 21:31:14 GMT -6
It was a better game than the score indicated 0-0 until just before half, etc.
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Post by licensedsoccerdad on Feb 18, 2011 22:40:01 GMT -6
Just got the final on the CHSNI v Episcopal BR game tonight. CHSNI 2 - Episcopal BR 1pm the 3rd overtime.
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Post by personalservant on Feb 19, 2011 14:31:39 GMT -6
I can appreciate that you're a Cajun fan but a better game than the score indicated? Perhaps if the games were 30 minutes long...CD was only in it until the first whistle blew. (Hard to claim you're in the game when you never cross into your opponent's end of the field!)
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Post by cajunsfan on Feb 19, 2011 18:12:57 GMT -6
I can appreciate that you're a Cajun fan but a better game than the score indicated? Perhaps if the games were 30 minutes long...CD was only in it until the first whistle blew. (Hard to claim you're in the game when you never cross into your opponent's end of the field!) I added to the thread the fact that the score was close in the 1st Half, 0-0 until the very end of the half which ended 1-0. But don't take my word for how tight the 1st Half was. Here are the first few lines of the article in the T-P that show the Sacred Heart players were concerned in the first half, and the quote that backs it up: "Sacred Heart senior Katherine Moody admitted to some nerves in the first half. The longer Country Day stayed close, she thought, the more the Cajuns believed. She wanted the Cardinals to calm down. 'In the second half, we started to calm down and play our game,' Moody said. 'The first half was kind of nerve-wracking, because we knew the longer we didn’t score, the closer they were to winning." Does that sound like a game that was over when "the first whistle blew"? It doesn't to me. Part of being a gracious winner is to be honest about what transpired on the field, like class act player Katherine Moody. |
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Post by personalservant on Feb 20, 2011 11:54:06 GMT -6
ASH girls always handle themselves with dignity and class which is a product of their upbringing and a reflection of their coach. (They said very complimentary things after the Opelousas Catholic game, too.) The reality of the CD game was yes, the game was scoreless for about thirty minutes with CD crossing mid field once. It was 1-0 ASH at the half and everyone knew the game was over. To their credit, CD girls never gave up. They were simply overmatched. I am not putting down on the CD players at all. They played with tremendous heart and all CD fans should be very proud. But to somehow imply that the 5-0 score was somehow closer than the shellacking that it was is disingenuous and misleading to readers of the blog who were not present at the game.
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Post by licensedsoccerdad on Feb 20, 2011 20:27:48 GMT -6
Talking about graciousness, I understand that the Episcopal BR hosts of the semi-final game with CHSNI fed both teams and coaches after the game. For the girls from Episcopal BR to sit down and eat with the girls from CHSNI after such a tough loss in 3OT, says a lot about sportsmanship at that school. We could all learn a lesson from a lot of these girls that we go out to support in their respective games.
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