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Post by b2b on Feb 26, 2011 8:40:17 GMT -6
Would like some opinions on this topic--If a player makes a pass to a teammate who is in an offsides position,player making pass is then fouled after passing--Which call is made? Offsides or foul?If a player is in an offsides position,it means that the player was in this position prior to the pass.
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Post by happyjack on Feb 26, 2011 10:01:42 GMT -6
Would like some opinions on this topic--If a player makes a pass to a teammate who is in an offsides position,player making pass is then fouled after passing--Which call is made? Offsides or foul?If a player is in an offsides position,it means that the player was in this position prior to the pass. Penalize the harsher of the 2, which means the foul, not the offside |
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Post by littleone11 on Feb 26, 2011 12:58:11 GMT -6
Would like some opinions on this topic--If a player makes a pass to a teammate who is in an offsides position,player making pass is then fouled after passing--Which call is made? Offsides or foul?If a player is in an offsides position,it means that the player was in this position prior to the pass. Penalize the harsher of the 2, which means the foul, not the offside Sorry, but not if the offsides call is called before the foul. It should be offsides then possible card for foul after the play |
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Post by happyjack on Feb 26, 2011 13:47:16 GMT -6
Per USSF, for a foul to be called the ball must be in play, and based on the question, it would appear that the foul to the player happened before offside was called, which means that you would penalize the foul. if, however, the referee had already called the offside by whistling the infraction, then the restart would be IFK to the defense, and a caution or send off to the defender who committed the UB, SFP or VC, since the ball was already dead
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Post by furriner on Feb 26, 2011 14:38:06 GMT -6
Would have to be really late for the above? Especially with the relatively new "wait and see" approach for offside.
I have seen similar to the above, but the center give an advantage, only for the player to be called for offside. IMHO, bring it back for the late tackle, as there could be no advantage. Or am I, as ever, wrong?
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Post by b2b on Feb 26, 2011 22:30:21 GMT -6
sorry happy---still a little confused--AR raised flag indicating os prior to center blowing whistle--after center blows whistle AR still has flag raised--If the AR has flag raised prior to whistle how can foul have preceded os--we all know it is common for center not to see flag immediately--in your explanation seems like you feel foul occured prior to or while player was making pass--i am having trouble with the fact that a player has to be in an os position prior to ball being kicked--once the player makes contact then at that split second it becomes os.I am not saying no foul but how can you not make the os call and give free kick to thedefense since foul occured after ball was played?If AR calls os and center does not see flag immediately and team scores goal and center signals goal only to see flag for os raised isn't goal denied--why acknowledge flag in this case and not another,even though in both cases center did not see flag immediately?
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Post by dulac on Feb 26, 2011 23:46:13 GMT -6
As the player was fouled, the center yelled "play on" indicating there may be an advantage. The flag then went up for offside. No advantage and the ball was brought back to the point of the original foul. The coaches even realized the situation as one of them asked the fourth official if that is what happened.
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Post by happyjack on Feb 27, 2011 15:37:20 GMT -6
B2b - refereeing is not a black and white thing, but one with various shades of gray. It takes experience in matches, learning from others, working to improve, attending training, etc to get to the point that you can referee at higher levels, and make that split decision about "is that a foul or an offside and which do I penalize". You've asked, and I've explained. If mh explanation doesn't make sense than that says to me that you do not have much experience with a whistle in your hand. Dulac gives one variation of an advantage that isn't realized. Any further explanation I attempt will likely not provide an answer that you find suitable to what you think should happen.
Of course, when you have the whistle and you make the call, then you are correct, as the referee decision is final. My experience, and the level of games I normally work, tells me I better penaLize the foul rather than the offside. Anything else could lead to bigger issues
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