hypothetical question?

[furriner]

game is close: let us say, team "A" is winning 1-0 with 5 minutes left.

Team A has a goal kick, taken short. player on team B closes on player about to receive ball.

To prevent intercepted kick, player on A enters penalty area and plays ball. Is this:

a) restart with goal kick.
b) restart with goal kick, but caution player for UB?
c) restart with GK, but caution for delaying restart (can you delay your own restart?)

d) none of the above: something else?

[Steven Gerrard]

restart with a goal kick

[happyjack]

Restart is goal kick. No caution required, even if you deem it was touched to prevent an attacker from getting the ball. Depending on how the game has gone and how that specific player has been, I may or may not have a word with them

[futbolislife]

Happy is right on. As he pointed out, depends on how the game is going. And if we have a word and he does it again, now we have a pattern designed to bring the game into disrepute. First time? Nope, dont dig that hole. And if you caution him, and it's secnd caution and now a send off for this offense....what do you think your last 5 minutes will be like? Be smart. If you can manage with a "word", why not?

[reddevil70737]

Let me ask a question. Can you get a dangerous play call against your own team? Ref called "High Kick" against a player when she almost kicked her own teammate.

[happyjack]

In FIFA there is no dangerous play against a teammate. In high school there is.
Haven't done college in so long and don't recall of you penalize agInst teammate or not

[pompey]

Apr 11, 2011 14:49:56 GMT -6 happyjack said:

Restart is goal kick. No caution required, even if you deem it was touched to prevent an attacker from getting the ball. Depending on how the game has gone and how that specific player has been, I may or may not have a word with them

Definitely correct call. I always wondered why some teams did not use this as a time wasting tactic near the games end

[happyjack]

A good referee will notice this is an attempt to waste time and just add for it letting the team know you are adding usually, but not always, stops the time wasting. Kind of like when the ball is out for a throw and the coach yells to take your time yeah coach, no one but the player you yelled that to heard it

[Steven Gerrard]

Apr 14, 2011 15:27:17 GMT -6 happyjack said:

A good referee will notice this is an attempt to waste time and just add for it letting the team know you are adding usually, but not always, stops the time wasting. Kind of like when the ball is out for a throw and the coach yells to take your time yeah coach, no one but the player you yelled that to heard it

A good coach will have a code word for that situation (wink, wink).

I think that adding time by the ref is the right thing to do. If the team in the lead is doing things that makes it obvious that they are wasting time, the center should always add time for that. Some disagree, but I think that it is proper and the right thing to do.

And, that leads me to the fake "injuries" you see at the end of games in the World Cup. My solution is simple. Start handing out yellow cards to the players that go down. This is what they do in the last 2 minutes of an NFL game. You can bet that will stop the "injuries."

[happyjack]

Yet to hear a coach call out anything other than take your time...

[pOkLE]

I never thought of getting a yellow for doing this. Definitely used this in my playing days to draw an opposing team farther up the field - have the GK play a slow roller in the box; as soon as offense bites, step in box to touch and send back to GK who quickly resets and plays the ball long. Thought we were being smart, not unsportsmanlike

[happyjack]

Pokle...seems like this would only work once then a smart team would catch on.

[pOkLE]

not if your team consistently uses the short goal kick effectively. especially in close games, forwards can't help but bite. we never hit the ball long (50/50) unless and until teams effectively pressured us. then it was cat and mouse.

[happyjack]

Heard a large number of coaches this weekend telling their kids to take theirtime. One went as far as telling his player to tie his shoe. One was honest and said we're winning, go slow and waste time, don't rush things. Most of these same coaches complained about added time as well.

[Steven Gerrard]

And, if they were losing by a goal, they would have been furious if you had not added time.

[pOkLE]

Apr 19, 2011 3:10:25 GMT -6 happyjack said:

Heard a large number of coaches this weekend telling their kids to take theirtime. One went as far as telling his player to tie his shoe. One was honest and said we're winning, go slow and waste time, don't rush things. Most of these same coaches complained about added time as well.

As a coach, I definitely advocate being "smart" about the clock. Accordingly, I may remind my kids that there is no reason to sprint after the ball when it goes out of bounds when we are ahead (or move any quicker to the ball than they have during the rest of the game). I also don't want my bench diving for balls that get hit out of bounds when we are ahead.

I don't think either of these are necessarily grounds for added time. I think time should be treated the same throughout the contest - if my team is expected to run/jog after a ball that is out of bounds, I would expect this to be required or reinforced throughout the entire contest, not only in the closing minutes. On the flip side, if we've been able to walk for the ball throughout the game, I would not expect to jog or run for the same ball with little time left in the game.

IMO, players are permitted to take a fair amount of time in trying to make the "right" decision (ie, they don't have to play super quickly and risk losing possession just because it's the end of the game). I think coaches can remind their teams of this. But, the stopping to tie a shoe for no reason etc are of course grounds for a little added time.

So, from a refereeing standpoint, I think consistency is the key. If a referee expects quick restarts and quick retrieval of balls in the last throws of a game, then he/she should demand the same throughout the entire contest.

[Steven Gerrard]

It is not so much demanding quick restarts. It is fairly obvious when a team (who is ahead) is slowing down and delaying the game. You are right, time should not necessarily be added just because you are not sprinting out of bounds to get the ball or because your bench is not jumping up to get a ball. But, sometimes it is a bit too obvious. Like the goalie who very slowly walks to get the ball for a goal kick after his coach shouted "take your time." Or, the defender who, without pressure, instead of playing a ball to a teammate, suddenly starts to clear the ball 50 yards out of bounds into the next field.

[happyjack]

I don't have an issue with a player clearing the ball 50 yards out of play. That is just smart defense. I do have issues with players who intentionally slow their pace when retrieving a ball. My intent throughout the match is that goal kicks, corner kicks, and grow ins should be done within 20-25 seconds at the most, and that is for balls cleared out far. For close ones, 10-15 seconds. Any longer and I will add time. If I feel a player is intentionally going slow, I will have a word with him and if he continues I will caution.

[Steven Gerrard]

That is why I said "without pressure". It is one thing to clear out the ball as a defender if you are being pressured by an attacker. But, it is another thing to do it when there is no pressure and you can tell they are doing it to waste time.