High school rules

[viewfromthepitch]

So how is everyone dealing with the High School rule differences?

1) required competitive drop ball.
2) stopping play (with someone in possession) and restarting with an indirect kick.
3) stopping the clock, with the crossed arms, and blowing the whistle, for the scoring of goals.
4) substitution procedures.
5) stopping the clock, to issue a caution.
6) knowing that in LA the official has control of the clock, not the timekeeper, but still maintaining the spirit of the game with "added time"

Any other major differences I am missing?

Hope your HS season is going well....

VFTP

[happyjack]

I'm not aware of any team which has an official timer...including state finals. Also don't know any officials that use the goofy pigskin signals. Last time I saw someone using those was in the late 90s.

[viewfromthepitch]

Nov 15, 2011 21:51:27 GMT -6 happyjack said:

I'm not aware of any team which has an official timer...including state finals. Also don't know any officials that use the goofy pigskin signals. Last time I saw someone using those was in the late 90s.

Which is good about the signals, those were removed with the 2009-2010 NFHS handbook, however, as in NISOA games, the signal for a goal is stopping the clock with arms crossed then pointing to the center circle.

[futuredemon]

I have seen referees cross their arms over their head to signal a stoppage of the clock. Also, if the 2011-2012 High School Rule Book dealing with Referee signal it says when a goal is scored and both referees agree on the goal that the ref does cross his/her arms over his/her head then point to the center and blow the whistle. There is one signal I don't see many refs do which is raise one hand over their head and as they blow their whistle to perform a windmill motion to show a restart of the clock.

[warrior9]

Aren't we allowed to substitute on a soft red (double caution) in HS only?

[futuredemon]

Dec 18, 2011 7:59:44 GMT -6 warrior9 said:

Aren't we allowed to substitute on a soft red (double caution) in HS only?

You are allowed to sub for the player being ejected, but I am not sure if the opposing or the same team can sub at the time when the card(s) is shown.

[mswilb]

I must of missed something somewhere (bad coach) I had a player receive a second yellow and was shown red, should I have been allowed to sub for that player.

[Steven Gerrard]

In high school soccer, two yellows is a "soft" red. You are allowed to sub for a player who receives a soft red.

[mswilb]

I missed that one. I am not sure I agree with the rule though, it takes away some of the consequences of the kid's actions.

[happyjack]

Well, if you feel that strongly about it, just play short if it happens again

[mswilb]

I did but thanks for the advice.

[futuredemon]

Dec 24, 2011 12:53:17 GMT -6 Steven Gerrard said:

In high school soccer, two yellows is a "soft" red. You are allowed to sub for a player who receives a soft red.

if the player receives two yellow the ref should show a straight red right after the yellow is shown, correct? there is a difference between sofft red and two yellows (inturn a red)

[upper90]

A straight red is exactly how it sounds: you just get a straight red card, no yellows involved.

2 yellows = soft red

In high school, you are allowed to sub when a player gets 2 yellows = soft red.

[barnacle13]

Player can also play the next match after a soft red? Correct?

Is there a suspension for a straight red?

This rule seems to confuse most of the fans. I think everyone is used to a red card meaning you play down for the duration of the match and that player is suspended for the next match.

I'm not sure why high school rules should be different on this.

I'm also not a big fan of the yellow card send off. I know why it's there, but I've seen players return to the field in under a minute. Not much of a cooling off period. If it's meant to give the player time to compose themselves, why not treat it like a hockey penalty and make it a mandatory 2 minutes or 5 minutes for the offending player? Really give them time to be coached, think about the infraction, and compose themselves before heading back onto the field.

[upper90]

I'm too lazy right now to look into the rule books, but I honestly think that there isn't any set mandatory suspension for a red card.

I think it is a coach's discretion on whether the player plays the next game or not.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the only thing that is for sure is that the school is fined X amount of money.

[barnacle13]

Dec 28, 2011 14:42:07 GMT -6 upper90 said:

I'm too lazy right now to look into the rule books, but I honestly think that there isn't any set mandatory suspension for a red card.

I think it is a coach's discretion on whether the player plays the next game or not.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the only thing that is for sure is that the school is fined X amount of money.

This seems to be in line with what I've seen in practice. I was just wondering if there was a difference between the staright and soft red other than playing down a man for the straight red in the current match.

I know there are fines associated with reds, hopefully not a lot of fines having to be paid! Changing the yellow card send off to a mandatory "time out" period ,instead of next stoppage, might further decrease the fines and more importantly increase the sportsmanship. It would give coaches more time to discuss the infraction with the player and let the player know what you want and expect from them both in game play and sportsmanship. It would give the player to come down from the adrenaline rush and emotion of the foul.

My son plays a physical game (incidentally not always smart game). He usually doesn't get hot under the collar, but the time off the field would get the point across that he needs to play smart as well as physical and that his team is depending on him to be on the field and not on the bench. Increasing that time off the field could be a great motivator for him and other players like him.

[happyjack]

With a yellow card the player is required to leave the field. Most coaches put the player on the line to sub right back in. Not too often you see them sitting out for long. The proper method for the 2nd caution/send off is to first show the yellow in one hand, put it down and show the red in the other. It is not the referees responsibility to let the coach know that player can be replaced, the assumption is the coach should know the rules. Assuming, of course, that the coach knew it was a 2nd caution and not a strIfht red. There is no mandatory game sitting in either Nfhs rules or FIFA laws. Some schools require it, some districts require it, some require nothing. In FIFA it is a league rule that dictates the suspension. In hs the school pays nothing on the 1st red, pays something (maybe $100) on 2nd red, and $250 for 3rd Nd subsequent reds. Any player receiving 3 reds in one season is done per Lhsaa rules

[beauchenecoach]

Here is one that I haven't gotten a consistent answer on...

Player from team gets second yellow, followed by red to show soft red.
On way off field, flicks off goal keeper and the official.
Official pulls red out to go show him, but player keeps walking off.
Finally official stops player at touchline and shows a straight red.

Team then substitutes a player after offcial says they need another player! WHAT?
Striaght red has no consequence if done so after a soft red? Ridiculous!

Please let me know if that is the case so we can propose something be done!

Side note... the NFHS sent out its survey on possible rule changes and soft reds are on the books to be the same as straight reds in that there will be no substitutions and you must play a man down. Hope it passes as I think it is correct.


As for the LHSAA consequences... there is no written soccer specific consequences. There is the generic rule about unsportsmanlike conduct ejections. 1st offense, it is a warning with prinicpal and paperwork must be filed. Second offense is a fine and final warning and paperwork must be filed. Third offense is a suspension for the remainder of the season in that sport. Plus a bigger fine.

We have tried to get clarification for soccer and have been told twice they would fix it. But each time, nothing was done. WE will talk about it again this year and I will personally have a principal submit a soccer clarification for this generic rule. Not fair that basketball has unlimited foul outs and intentional fouls. Football has 15 yard penalties for nearly killing someone. Soccer has red cards for intentional last defender fouls, hand balls in box, hard fouls, and 2 cautions/fouls. All of these soccer offenses are considered in the same boat as fighting and unsportsmanlike conduct ejections in football and basketball! INSANE!
I've heard of numerous kids getting 3 soft reds, no straight reds and being suspended for season! This is a lawsuit waiting to happen from a parent that would know about this unbalanced enforcing of the rules. Soccer has a high ejection rate cause of a low threshhold for fouls. The sport itself should not be compared to American sports rules as it is different.

I do hope for a future process like the LSA in regards to printing rosters for each game that would also show the card suspensions. All cards would have to be reported with the scores of each game like in LSA at this time. This would help a lot. I do agree that any straight reds for UNSPORTSMANLIKE conduct should be enforced the same as the above LHSAA rule requires... just not the other soccer fouls.

[viewfromthepitch]

When the soft red is shown, that player is disqualified. He is no longer a player. Therefore actions after that point are performed by a non-player and therefore cannot be further sanctioned. In fact, the display of the card a second time (the straight red) is incorrect. He is no longer a player, substitute, or bench personal. He is a disqualified player. However the referee should report the incident on the Sportsmanship report. That is the way NFHS wants it. Of course some referees may want to make up their own rules, however after a soft red, the team should not play a man down. Further actions do not "upgrade" to playing a man down. That player can take no further part in the contest.

Not the best rule, but that's what we are playing by. The issues with not following the Laws of the Game.


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