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Post by futuredemon on Dec 1, 2011 12:13:14 GMT -6
Mainly this question stems from how do you feel about an AR stopping a ball from rolling 50 yds away from the pitch by putting a foot out or stepping in front of the ball if NO players are around and the ball is Obviously going out of play. Is this a rude thing for the ref to let the ball scream past him only to roll a great distance inturn causing the game to waste time, one player must retrieve the ball (this does not include some teams like St. Louis that have ball boys at every home game), and the players thinking the ref could have helped by just stopping the ball. Now, don't get me wrong i think it is inappropriate for a referee to take 3 or four hops to stop a ball, but if the game is tight and the ball is coming directly toward the referee standing 1 - 3 feet off of the field, like they are supposed to be, then why not stop the ball? please comment and add opinions.
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Post by barnacle13 on Dec 1, 2011 12:53:03 GMT -6
Keep in mind stopping the ball may impact the game just as significantly as not stopping the ball. Clearing the ball out of bounds to kill time is good strategy if you're holding a lead. Having an AR stop the ball negatively impacts your ability to "kill" the clock. If you're down a goal it is certainly annoying, but then keeping the ball in bounds would beat getting a quick throw in. The referee's job is not to keep the ball close to the field of play, but to ensure the laws of the game are upheld and player safety is safeguarded. If the ball is intentionally cleared out of bounds after a whistle blow the play to a stop then the center referee should caution the player for delaying the game. Center referee can also add stoppage time as he/she sees fit. For a normal clearout you wouldn't expect any additional time, but for a delay of game infraction you would. So, I don't think it is the ARs responsibility to keep the ball from rolling away from the field. That responsibility lies with the players on the field. That being said I think many ARs would stick their foot out unless it's a hard clearout.
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Dec 1, 2011 15:23:28 GMT -6
If I am the AR, I never, repeat, never, stop the ball with my foot. Trust me, you will feel differently the first time an AR stops the ball in your teams defending third and the other team gets a quick throw in that leads to a shot and/or goal. Barnacle is correct, if your team was trying to delay things by clearing the ball out of bounds, you would go ballistic if the AR stuck out his foot and stopped the ball. It is a matter of being impartial. The AR is not one of the players on the field. If he stops the ball with his foot, then he may be accused of showing favoritism to one team or the other. Thus, the AR should never, repeat, never, stop the ball with his foot.
Is it a pain for the players to go get the ball? Yes. But, they are young and can handle it. Of course, if the game is a blowout, things may be different.
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Post by happyjack on Dec 1, 2011 22:14:14 GMT -6
Barnacle, there is no infringement for kicking a ball 50 yards out of okay, so it can't be considered time wasting. Tome is not added for kickingthe ball out of play. As far as officials stopping the ball, they should never do it. Referees aren't ball chasers. And as a wise referee once said...that is the referee rest period. Saving it takes away my rest period
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Post by futuredemon on Dec 1, 2011 23:35:17 GMT -6
If I am the AR, I never, repeat, never, stop the ball with my foot. Trust me, you will feel differently the first time an AR stops the ball in your teams defending third and the other team gets a quick throw in that leads to a shot and/or goal. Barnacle is correct, if your team was trying to delay things by clearing the ball out of bounds, you would go ballistic if the AR stuck out his foot and stopped the ball. It is a matter of being impartial. The AR is not one of the players on the field. If he stops the ball with his foot, then he may be accused of showing favoritism to one team or the other. Thus, the AR should never, repeat, never, stop the ball with his foot. Is it a pain for the players to go get the ball? Yes. But, they are young and can handle it. Of course, if the game is a blowout, things may be different. I've never thought about "what if the attacking team gets a goal or conerkick oppurtunity because the AR stopped the ball." I know some refs may dislike a coach, but i can honestly say I've never seen a ref (with one exception) show favoritism, but that assumption can be understandable.
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Post by cardsinhand on Dec 4, 2011 10:58:01 GMT -6
Happy is correct. Referee rest period. I threaten my ARs with broken limbs if they touch the ball.
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Post by pop on Dec 12, 2011 12:07:22 GMT -6
Cards you threaten the AR'S for less sometimes. haha
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Post by dulac on Jan 3, 2012 18:26:18 GMT -6
Here's an actual scenario. College games where ball people are provided... Teams expect to have ball given to them by the ball people. Tied game in the last seconds of play. Defending team kicks the ball into touch near the top of the 18. It bounces out of play and AR catches it and hands it to the attacking team. Attacking team throws the ball in to a forward who then heads the ball in. Time runs out. Big OOPS! I can't have too much sympathy for this AR when the coach tears him a new one. On the big games, pick up your foot, duck, step aside, do whatever you have to do just don't touch the ball. For a U10 game, not as big a deal. ;-)
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Post by viewfromthepitch on Jan 4, 2012 2:13:43 GMT -6
I don't think any players coaches or spectators should be feeling on ARs. It's not professional. ;D
VFTP
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Jan 4, 2012 10:07:28 GMT -6
I don't think any players coaches or spectators should be feeling on ARs. It's not professional. ;D VFTP Unfortunately, my wife agrees.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Jan 4, 2012 14:04:43 GMT -6
Love it.
I am just happy when an AR calls the majority of throw-ins correctly. Good offsides calls are great as well. Don't really expect them to shag balls.
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Post by happyjack on Jan 4, 2012 22:18:11 GMT -6
Please don't mention shagging balls when British posters are around. This is, after all, a family website. Thanks
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Post by furriner on Jan 4, 2012 22:23:26 GMT -6
don't knock it till you have tried it! Not that I am British, of course. Just Furrin
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Post by laffysoccermom on Jan 5, 2012 6:46:01 GMT -6
OMG from feeling to shagging- sorry guys! Really don't expect either from ARs.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Jan 16, 2012 16:10:18 GMT -6
Cards you threaten the AR'S for less sometimes. haha HA HA HA! Excellent pop! Especially in my opinion as of late! cardsinhand need to show his authority!
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Post by cardsinhand on Jan 22, 2012 20:36:46 GMT -6
Careful coach, pop may be a little sensitive about that right now. I would like to show it coach, but I will not be able to make it Wednesday night. Have to teach the referee class. Sorry. Best of luck to both BC and TCHS. I hope everyone survives the war!
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