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Post by upper90 on Jan 4, 2012 0:11:42 GMT -6
I ran into this problem today in our game, and it had happened a few times before.
Our team receives a throw in, at which point our player quickly picks up the ball. A player on the opposing team is walking with his back turned away from our player about a yard away. Being the clever kid that he is, he throws the ball in off of the player's back to try and catch the opposing team off guard. Center referee calls a foul, saying unsportsmanlike conduct, and told our player he should have given a yellow card.
WHY??
I don't understand why a foul was called, and I have looked through FIFA's laws to back my point up.
"It is important to note that a throw-in is not the time to exact revenge on an opponent or the referee. If you take a throw-in properly but deliberately smash the ball against an opponent, teammate or official in a careless, reckless or dangerous manner, the referee will caution or dismiss you. For instance, if the throw-in in the video were deliberate, the thrower might have been cautioned. However, if the thrower plays the ball off an opponent in a manner that is not careless, reckless or dangerous, play should continue."
Namely the last sentence.
Someone please help me understand whether I'm wrong.
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Post by viewfromthepitch on Jan 4, 2012 2:08:17 GMT -6
The foul would be striking. Using the ball to hit an opponent, when delivered from the hands, has in the past been deemed as Unsporting behavior.
The caveat is this: a FOUL that is reckless is a caution. A FOUL that is with excessive force is a send-off.
The referee could deem the act as Unsporting, stop play to issue a caution to the thrower, and there be no foul(therefore the careless, reckless or excessive force descriptor does not apply). The restart would be an indirect kick at the contact with the opponent. In this situation, no foul was committed, only misconduct. The misconduct was the Unsporting act of the thrower. This is valid as not all Unsporting acts are explicitly detailed in the Laws of the Game nor the NFHS rulebook (art 8-1-f not limited to...)
Each game is different. Some referees may view this as a valid play, and it may be, however others, in the opinion of the referee, this behavior may be Unsporting, and/or may be a foul.
There is no hard or fast answer, and the text you quoted is for the Laws of the Game, and does not specify if misconduct occurs. This is not text found in the Soccer Rules Book as interpreted by NFHS, so your milage will vary.
I'm aware this does not answer your question directly, as there is no direct answer that will make everyone happy and say "this is right, this is wrong." There is no "right" answer for all games or situations.
VFTP
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Post by furriner on Jan 4, 2012 7:39:19 GMT -6
caution both players: failing to respect the distance. defenders now have to give 2 yards?
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Post by futbolislife on Jan 4, 2012 8:37:43 GMT -6
yes the 2 yards must be given. However, throwing the ball at an opponent on a throw in is not necessarily a problem. This is a myth and misconception. The Advice to Referees under Law 15 explains
"A throw in taken in such a way that the ball strikes an opponent is not by itself a violation of the Law. The act must be evaluated separately and dealt with appropriately if judged to be unsporting behavior or violent conduct. IF deemed a violation, the restart is located where the throw in struck the opponent."
The referee must make a determination if there was force intended. But just "normally" throwing the ball off a back is not a problem. And I would maintain that this is a direct free kick since the ball is in play and the act is against an opponent. If you call it a "foul", then by definition it MUST be a DFK. There are no IDFKs for "fouls".
And my caveat is that this is under Fifa and USSF guidelines. I do not know if NF has different guidelines.
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