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Post by Timbertwin on Jan 25, 2012 22:30:46 GMT -6
Division I
1. Mount Carmel
2. Lafayette
3. St. Scholastica
4. Dominican
5. St. Thomas More
6. Mandeville
7. Fontainebleau
8. Byrd
9. Northshore
10. East Ascension
ALSO RECEIVING VOTES: Dutchtown, West Monroe
DIVISION II
1. St. Louis Catholic
2. Vandebilt Catholic
3. Teurlings Catholic
4. Lakeshore
5. Neville
6. West Ouachita
7. Ursuline
8. Lutcher
9. Calvary Baptist
10. Morgan City
ALSO RECEIVING VOTES: St. Michael, Cabrini
DIVISION III
1. Newman
2. Episcopal (BR)
3. Catholic (NI)
4. Sacred Heart (NO)
5. University
6. Runnels
7. Loyola
8. Pope John Paul II
9. St. Thomas Aquinas
10. Holy Savior Menard
ALSO RECEIVING VOTES: Hannan, Episcopal School of Acadiana, Country Day
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Post by div1coach222 on Jan 26, 2012 8:04:35 GMT -6
Div I- To me the only discussion which can go either way is 6 and 7. Head to head and district finish to me holds trump over common opponents (unless a wide despairity). In this case there is no wide despairity in losses, head to head 7 has beaten 6 twice and unless a major breakdown on Friday happens will finish ahead in district. Went back and looked at top 10 opponents and results, man to me any team in top 8 could and have surprised upper seeds...The right match ups could shake the brackets from the 2nd round on...Interesting...My only regret is I cannot personally see all the up coming games from this round on..  |
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Post by soccdad on Jan 27, 2012 9:36:28 GMT -6
DivIII Really? Eiscopal at #2 when U High beat them and U high is 5th, being undefeated by any in state team. How is that? WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE RANKINGS?  Better yet, WHY EVEN HAVE THIS FORUM IF NO ONE THAT VOTES LOOKS AT IT? Is it simply to spew insignificant bs? If Episcopal wins tomorrow I will shut up. But to those who think rankings and seedings dont matter, answer this: If there is only one team in the state that can beat you; would you rather face the that team in the first or second round, or the finals? A first or second round defeat means you made it to the playoffs. A shot at them in the finals means at worst, you are second in state. Anyone that thinks state runner up is not impressive is dillusional! Sure, everyone would like to win state, but only one team per division can. |
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Post by div1coach222 on Jan 27, 2012 13:06:34 GMT -6
soccdad- I am not familiar with DIV III. Went and tried to see their overall records and could not find U High on that thread. This could be the issue because this site is where a lot of coaches get their information and someone needs to help the moderator out with this info and submit it to them. They will post what is given. I may have simply missed it, I have been known to do that.
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Post by freekick on Jan 27, 2012 13:20:28 GMT -6
In previous years in DIII, moving up or down one or two spots in the seedings might be important because there were clearly between 1 & 3 dominant teams, depending on the year. In girls DIII this year, the top 6, maybe the top 8 if you want to be generous, can all beat each other on any given day, and there is clearly not one dominant team as there has been in past years. Having seen all of these teams, I don't think you can reliably pick a winner between any top 6 match up from day to day this year. Therefore, U-Hi will play a strong opponent from the quarterfinals on, and this year, it doesn't really matter which one you draw. You can beat them all, and you can get beat by all of them, depending on how you play that particular day. It is probably more important which teams can stay healthy through a long playoff run since I did not see a strong bench on any of these teams this year.
I would say there are about 8 DI teams with a good chance to take state with 3 or 4 teams with outside shots at the title. Many, or most, teams will have a difficult match by the round of 16. Probably 3 or 4 DII teams that could win.
And I hope the coaches don't seed teams merely based on what they read on this forum.
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Post by coolhandluke on Jan 27, 2012 14:32:05 GMT -6
soccdad- I am not familiar with DIV III. Went and tried to see their overall records and could not find U High on that thread. This could be the issue because this site is where a lot of coaches get their information and someone needs to help the moderator out with this info and submit it to them. They will post what is given. I may have simply missed it, I have been known to do that. Located on page 7 of the Schedule & Results Thread University Lab High School(15-0-2) (6-0)No 15 @ McKinley W 5-0 (Suspended @ half due to Lightening) Nov 17 St Michael W 3-0 Nov 26 @ Dutchtown W 2-1 Nov 28 Baton Rouge HS T 0-0 Dec 3-4 Hahnville Battle on the Bayou --Live Oak W 2-1 --Lutcher W 4-1 --East St. John W 4-0 --Bay High (MS) (Semifinals) L 0-1 Dec 6 Live Oak W 9-1 Dec 10 Christian Life W 7-0 Dec 15 @ Redemptorist W 7-0 Dec 16 Runnels T 0-0 Dec 29 Redemptorist W 9-0 Jan 4 @ Parkview W 5-0 Jan 7 @ Catholic PC W 8-0 Jan 10 @ West Feliciana W 5-1 Jan 13 Episcopal BR W 2-1 Jan 18 Parkview W 4-0 Jan 24 West Feliciana Jan 28 @ Episcopal BR Jan 30 @ Christian Life |
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Post by div1coach222 on Jan 27, 2012 14:42:37 GMT -6
soccdad- I see what you are saying. That poll does seem to be a little skewed...Just going by records and common opponents...Interesting to say the least..Thanks coolhandluke, I have a eye doctors appointment set up for Monday morning!
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Post by coolhandluke on Jan 27, 2012 14:58:35 GMT -6
Thanks coolhandluke, I have a eye doctors appointment set up for Monday morning! No problem. It gets tricky finding some of them. Example.....Country Day is in the "M's" under Metairie Park Country Day. Central, Fontainebleu, Academy of Our Lady & Bastrop are also out of alphabetical order and are located on Page 7. |
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Post by hasbeen24 on Jan 27, 2012 20:59:15 GMT -6
DivIII Really? Eiscopal at #2 when U High beat them and U high is 5th, being undefeated by any in state team. How is that? WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE RANKINGS? Better yet, WHY EVEN HAVE THIS FORUM IF NO ONE THAT VOTES LOOKS AT IT? Is it simply to spew insignificant bs? If Episcopal wins tomorrow I will shut up. But to those who think rankings and seedings dont matter, answer this: If there is only one team in the state that can beat you; would you rather face the that team in the first or second round, or the finals? A first or second round defeat means you made it to the playoffs. A shot at them in the finals means at worst, you are second in state. Anyone that thinks state runner up is not impressive is dillusional! Sure, everyone would like to win state, but only one team per division can. I have to agree with Freekick on this one. There isn't one powerhouse, or 2 or 3 this year-there are many dogs in the race. The rankings can't simply be decided by one game, but by many factors. Something that people(teams, coaches, parents, voters) give great consideration to is the schedule that teams face-not simply the record. It holds more weight for a team to have quality wins and quality losses than to have a schedule full of wins against average teams. For this particular instance, I looked at the schedules that Uhscubs1 provided for the board to do a comparison. I'll take EHS and UHS's schedule, as well as Newman's, since they are ranked first. For the sake of time, I'll leave off Catholic of N.I. and Sacred Heart. Newman's record is 17-1-0 They have beaten 6 Top 10 teams and the 12th ranked team. They were runner up at the New Orleans Classic. Their one loss was to Episcopal of BR(ranked 2). They deserve their number 1 ranking in my opinion. They've scored 82 goals for, and had 8 goals scored against. Episcopal of BR's record is 18-3-1 They have beaten 5 Top 10 teams and the 13th ranked team. They also tied 1-1 with Sacred Heart (then ranked number 1). Their 3 losses have been to quality Top 10 teams. They have won first place in the St. Amant Black and Gold Tournament and first place in the New Orleans Classic. They've had 131 goals scored for, and had 10 goals scored against. University's record is 14-0-2 They have beaten 2 Top 10 teams and tied 1 top 10 team. Their loss was in the Semifinals at the Hahnville Battle on the Bayou to a descent MS team. They've had 76 goals for and 7 goals against. When you compare the 3 teams, you see that Newman and EHSBR have won more total games, had more wins to quality and Top 10 teams, had stronger tournament runs and have put the ball in the net more times than University's team. This is not an attack at all on University. They are a very strong team that deserve a lot of respect and obviously give great teams a run for their money. This is just showing that the voters do do their homework when ranking teams and it isn't to "spew insignificant b.s.". Most of the people that try to represent the game of soccer through this website do take it seriously and try to do so with an objective eye. If they didn't, everyone in the Top 10 would all rank their team as "first". As Freekick stated, teams 1-6 (maybe 8) all have the ability to beat the other on any given match. Good luck to all the teams during playoffs. I will try to catch a few myself. |
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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 28, 2012 6:58:22 GMT -6
The Top 10 in Div III are all pretty close. EHS and Newman's records are a little better but goals scored is irrelevant for the most part. I cannot speak to EHS and Newman's philosophy but I know U-High will not run up the score intentionally. U-High could have easily scored 90+ goals with one less tournament played than both of them.
The really interesting teams to me are ASH, Cat NI and Loyola. ASH has played an extremely difficult schedule with not so good results. The thing that concerns me about them is losing twice in district to Newman. I know both were on PKs but did the hard schedule make them better or hurt their confidence? We will know soon.
Cat NI and Loyola are both "north of I10" so they have not been given much respect. I know Cat NI is ranked 3rd but you could make the case for them to be higher. They did lose a tough district game Thursday to EHS Acadiana 1-0. How good are they, again I would not want to play them first round or second round.
Loyola is now 7 but a real case could be made for them to move up more. They beat Div II #5 Neville last night 3-1 so they are going to be a very tough out in the play-offs.
The play-offs should be real fun with a lot of potential drama especially if the top seeds make it through the first two rounds.
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Post by cenlasoccer3 on Jan 28, 2012 18:11:56 GMT -6
Alexandria may be knocking on the door of D-2 top ten...
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Post by tchefuncta on Jan 28, 2012 21:59:40 GMT -6
Time to reconsider the rankings in Division ! as Dominican beat Mt. Carmel 2-1 tonight to take district honors. For the soccer afficianado, today was a blessed day with perfect weather and two terrific games. Jesuit bested Brother Martin 3-2 in the afternoon with a goal by Evan Kramer with 5 minutes remaining in the game. Tonight's game was no less interesting. The student bodies from Dominican and Mt. Carmel showed up and the game was played in front of 1000 fans.
The Coaches in the "Catholic" league felt it was more important to play games outside of their new district and accordingly there was only one game between these two teams this year in district. Both wre undefeated and tonight's game was for district and bragging rights on the South shore. Coach Al Silvas had the reigning state champs start in a defensive formation to blunt the Cubs fast attack. All season long, the All-Blacks have been led by a nucleus from the U-17 State Champion Chicago Fire, consisting of striker Jeanette Zavala, returning All-District players, Caitlin Flint and Matilde Kepper, and All-State fulllback Ashley Harper. Tonight was no different, but sophmores and freshmen played key roles in the victory for the Walmsley Ave. contingent.
Mt. Carmel started the scoring with a beautiful free kick from Claire Levy of the Cubs. Dominican fought back and finally gained momentum in the last ten minutes of the first half.
Emilie Bourgeouis fired a shot wide, but provided a spurt of momentum. Coach Silvas substituted Mia Meydrich and freshman Shea Moreau into the lineup to provide a spark and neutalize the Mt. Carmel attack led by Jessica Leslie and Brooke Gros. It worked.
Trailing 1-0 at half, Silvas made some adjustments and the All-Blacks took off. Meyrich combined with Caitlin Flint to score the first goal for Dominican 5 minutes into the second half. Both teams fought hard with Kepper holding the midfield for Dominican. Fullbacks Matty Camet, Angel Allen and Harber were stellar for the All-Blacks. Freshman Goalie Andrea McDonald made a key save to keep the tie in regulation.
In overtime the Dominican team controlled the pace and scored on a laser beam header from Ashley Harber off a cornerkick by Camet. Mt. Carmel countered with Chickie Roberts and Margeaux Fontana, making runs, but the reigning State champs were able to salt away the victory in the first overtime period.
So where does that leave us? The new top 5 should read as follows:
1. Dominican 23-3-3
2. Lafayette 15-1-3
3, Mt. Carmel 25-3
4. SSA 15-1-
5. St. Thomas More
Dominican and Lafayette have victories over Mt. Carmel, and should rank higher. Since Dominican is the reigning State Champ, it should get some respect and ranking as everyone has had them in their crosshairs this season.
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Post by div1coach222 on Jan 28, 2012 22:23:06 GMT -6
tchefuncta- 1)Dominican- Defending state champs and won their district, enough said....
2)SSA- Tied Dominican and beat Mandeville and Fontainebleau twice District 6 Champion
3)Lafayette- District Champion and beaten a few good teams
4)Mt. Carmel- 2nd place finish in their district, if beaten Domincan won have put them 1st.
5)St. Thomas More- Good team
6)Fontainebleau-Beat Dominican (at Pan Am) beat Mandeville twice coach made some changes and team is starting to come together. Second place finish in district 6
7)Mandeville- third place finish in district, but very competitive schedule and did well.
8)Byrd- District champs, good team, beat Carmel, but weak district.Not their fault,came to Mandeville Tournament and impressed many..
After the top 8 I will not comment on.... Let the fun begin!!
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Post by soker on Jan 28, 2012 22:48:31 GMT -6
Thefuncta
FYI
MCA's record. 25-3 not 22-3
You mention MCA's loss to Dominican and
Lafayette, however you forget to mention
Dominican's recent losses.
Dominican- Dutchtown 0-1 L
Dominican - Fontainebleu. 1-2 L
Also you forget:
MCA -Dominican 4-0
MCA- SSA. 4-2
MCA - St Thomas More 1-0 and 3-1
MCA - Lafayette 3-2 pks
No Offense to anyone , just supporting
My team with more accurate information.
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Post by tchefuncta on Jan 29, 2012 8:15:09 GMT -6
Div1Coach makes a good point, some times Coaches try out new lineups against quality competition to prepare for big games. Such was the case with Dominican against Dutchtown and Fontainebleau. As to the first MCA game, everyone in New Orleans knows the Dominican fall dance was the night before and for the last three years Dominican has not won the following day. Bottom line, I know Pavlos and last night's game was for all the marbles with everything on the table. Al's team played better in the second half and carried the day. Because MCA beat SSA, I have thenm ranked third. Just supporting my team with accurate info too.
Also I agree Fountanibleau, Byrd and Mandy are top 8 teams. I would not like to face the Skippers as I feel Elizabeth Manuel is the top player in Division I this year, and Sean Esker is a talented coach.
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Post by mydove4 on Jan 29, 2012 10:00:44 GMT -6
tchefuncta- Just curious, how does Dominican win the District Title if they split the two regular season games with Mt. Carmel? Doesn't that make them co-District Champs, or did Mt. Carmel lose another District game? As for Mandeville and their talented forward, the Doves just throttled them 5-2 the other night. Also, soker is right, you forget that Mt. Carmel split with Dominican and Lafayette, and the Lafayette games went into pks which we know can go either way. You offered that Dominican had a dance the night before the first Mt. Carmel game, and then Silvas was trying something different against Dutchtown and Fontainebleau. All things considered, why then do you believe Dominican should be ranked #1, especially if you split with the other two teams? Considering Dominican losses to Fontainebleau and Dutchtown, an unranked team, the standings should probably remain the way they are.
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Post by barbedad20 on Jan 29, 2012 10:18:15 GMT -6
I will be releasing my 1-32 seeds later but the top 4 did change after yesterdays results.
OLD
1) Mt Carmel
2) Lafayette
3) SSA
4) Domincan
5) St Thomas More
6) Fontainebleau
7) Mandeville
8) Byrd
NEW
1) Lafayette
2) SSA
3) Dominican
4) Mt Carmel
5) St Thomas More
6) Fontainebleau
7) Mandeville
8) Byrd
I think the top 4 all have an argument for top seed. This season is wide open with any of the top 8 with a shot at a title. Glad my bookie does not take bets on Girls High School soccer!!!
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Post by NutMeg on Jan 29, 2012 10:35:53 GMT -6
tchefuncta- Just curious, how does Dominican win the District Title if they split the two regular season games with Mt. Carmel? Doesn't that make them co-District Champs, or did Mt. Carmel lose another District game? As for Mandeville and their talented forward, the Doves just throttled them 5-2 the other night. Also, soker is right, you forget that Mt. Carmel split with Dominican and Lafayette, and the Lafayette games went into pks which we know can go either way. You offered that Dominican had a dance the night before the first Mt. Carmel game, and then Silvas was trying something different against Dutchtown and Fontainebleau. All things considered, why then do you believe Dominican should be ranked #1, especially if you split with the other two teams? Considering Dominican losses to Fontainebleau and Dutchtown, an unranked team, the standings should probably remain the way they are. Dominican's previous loss to Mt. Carmel was in the final of the Soccer Classic. Our district decided to only play one round for district honors. |
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Post by counterattack on Jan 29, 2012 13:31:57 GMT -6
as I've mentioned in another thread, Ben Franklin should be inside the top 10. BF and Lakeshore (#4) are very close, although Lakeshore got the edge in district play. I suspect they're better than a few top 10 teams, I would put them at #7 or #8 based on the teams' records
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Post by sokerfan on Jan 29, 2012 13:37:16 GMT -6
Voters,
Teams & location
Mt. Carmel - Carencro Tourney (won in shoot out)
Mt. Carmel - Soccer Classic Tourney (N.O.) (Loss in shootout)
Dominican - played in Baton Rouge (tied)
Dominican - played in Mandy Tourney (small field - tied)
Mandeville - Playes in Mandy Tourney (Stadium turf field - Won)
Fontainebleau - played in Mandy Tourney (small field - tied)
ST. Thomas More - played at home (non district contest - won)
St. Thomas More - played at STM (District contest for Championship - won)
The only game at home was St. Thomas More.
Game in Lafayette area - Mt. Carmel
Rest of games were on the road.
Playing on the road against the states best is not easy.
Lafayette High deserves consideration for the number 1 spot.
Can't disagree with barbedad20 on his New Standings.
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Better yet, WHY EVEN HAVE THIS FORUM IF NO ONE THAT VOTES LOOKS AT IT? Is it simply to spew insignificant bs? If Episcopal wins tomorrow I will shut up. But to those who think rankings and seedings dont matter, answer this: If there is only one team in the state that can beat you; would you rather face the that team in the first or second round, or the finals? A first or second round defeat means you made it to the playoffs. A shot at them in the finals means at worst, you are second in state. Anyone that thinks state runner up is not impressive is dillusional! Sure, everyone would like to win state, but only one team per division can. 
