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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 28, 2012 19:57:43 GMT -6
As I understand it, if University beats West Feliciana tomorrow and scores at least 3 goals and gives up none we will tie Episcopal for district. I have heard if this happens we may have to play again on Monday to settle district. We will each have 7-1 district records and tied 1-1 head to head and will have be tied on goals in our match-ups (2-1, 3-3 PKs 4-2). We will also be tied on goals given up in district play (6-6) and goals scored will be even as well I guess based on a max. They have 65-35 edge. Can we agree to be co-district champs or do we have to play to settle it? Where would we play if we had to play?
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Post by chspc2 on Jan 28, 2012 22:06:11 GMT -6
There's no reason to play one. LHSAA does not require a lone first place in district. What they require is a definite lone second place because of playoffs. It used to be that LHSAA required a definte first, second, third, etc because the playoffs were setup ahead of time....you couldn't have ties. No reason to have a playoff or determine lone first place......be co-champs. Last year we tied UHigh for district and we were co-champs.
Why have a game and have an injury when there is no reason to play!
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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 28, 2012 22:12:25 GMT -6
I agree and was wondering if there had to be a playoff.
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Post by cuttysark on Jan 28, 2012 22:28:14 GMT -6
No playoff. Co district champs.
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Post by tigerdawg on Jan 28, 2012 23:11:09 GMT -6
U-high still has to win 3 to 0 and not give up a goal against W. Feliciana after a hard fought and emotional game today against Episcopal. If that happens there will not be a tie for 1st. First things first the game vs. W. Feliciana needs to be played.
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Post by inthebox on Jan 29, 2012 6:15:29 GMT -6
uhscubs1, from your repeated posts obsessing over your team's ranking, it is very surprising you are not begging to play Episcopal a third time to try to get a higher ranking. Or, perhaps rankings are no longer that important, after all. You still have to fight your way through the playoffs, no matter who you draw, and there are 4 or 5 other teams in your division as good or better than U High and Episcopal. Just let the kids play and see how it shakes out, and life will go on beyond HS soccer. I'm with Aliceshoe.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 29, 2012 7:44:50 GMT -6
You are right but I was curious about if there had to be a playoff. We are scheduled to play Christian Life Monday so was wondering. I am not a player so I have the luxury of looking past today. U-high still has to win 3 to 0 and not give up a goal against W. Feliciana after a hard fought and emotional game today against Episcopal. If that happens there will not be a tie for 1st. First things first the game vs. W. Feliciana needs to be played. |
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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 29, 2012 7:50:19 GMT -6
WOW. Please point out my repeated posts obsessing over our ranking. I believe you have me confused with someone else. Not sure why all you want to do is attack. I thought this was a soccer friendly board where we could come and talk about our team and learn about others. As far as seedings and draws are concerned, ask any coach if they are concerned about them. If they are honest they will say they are. I have seen a couple post recently that they do matter. Sorry if my posts offend you. You do not have to read them. uhscubs1, from your repeated posts obsessing over your team's ranking, it is very surprising you are not begging to play Episcopal a third time to try to get a higher ranking. Or, perhaps rankings are no longer that important, after all. You still have to fight your way through the playoffs, no matter who you draw, and there are 4 or 5 other teams in your division as good or better than U High and Episcopal. Just let the kids play and see how it shakes out, and life will go on beyond HS soccer. I'm with Aliceshoe. |
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Post by soccdad on Jan 29, 2012 7:56:25 GMT -6
Inthebox, any team would like to be district champs, as witnessed by banners I see at their fields proudly displaying such accomplishments. What you said to uhscubs1 was exremely rude with an air of condescension. How about not being so holier than thou and understand that not only do our kids spend a great deal of time on this sport, but so do the parents, especially those who's kids are not old enough to drive yet. In my opinion, you wouldn't be on this forum so much if you didnt feel the same way. How about we all play nice and pull for our teams to do their best and stay healthy. That is what truly matters. But if people, especially those new to the sport, such as myself, have questions; we do not need people with condescending attitudes answering our questions. You people want more parents on this forum, yet it seems to me that you may really not care for newbies by some of your responses with attitude. Just the way I see it, sorry.
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Post by freekick on Jan 29, 2012 8:19:53 GMT -6
According to LHSAA handbook, section 18.4.1, each district will decide how to determine first and second place. Therefore, one might assume that the coaches and ADs determined this before the season started, but you know what happens when one assumes things.
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Post by chspc2 on Jan 29, 2012 8:26:40 GMT -6
I'm not a big fan of deternining district champs by goal differential.
Situations occur as to why more goals are scored in one game compared to another.......a loss is a loss and a win is a win.
What that does is encourage running up the score. I understand about using the goal differential for when you have to determine a certain place finish because of playoffs and such but no need to do it when you don't have to do it.
Besides, you can look at a PK win technically as a tie.....but LHSAA has a rule that district games can't end in a tie so a winner has to be determined.
Leave it as co-champs.
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Post by chspc2 on Jan 29, 2012 8:29:29 GMT -6
According to LHSAA handbook, section 18.4.1, each district will decide how to determine first and second place. Therefore, one might assume that the coaches and ADs determined this before the season started, but you know what happens when one assumes things. A tie for first in district determines first and second. No need to separate that because coaches will seed for playoffs......a tie for second needs a tiebreaker because both of those teams can't go to playoffs. |
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Post by inthebox on Jan 29, 2012 8:52:30 GMT -6
uhscubs1, obsessing was probably too strong, and apologize for that. My bigger point is let the kids play, and the only rankings that ever matter are the ones after the last game of the season. I will agree to disagree on rankings and seedings.
If you are going to play a game anyway, wouldn't you want your team to play a quality opponent vs a weaker opponent to prepare yourselves for the impending playoffs? Injuries are always a consideration, but I would submit you are more likely to sustain injuries playing a less skilled opponent than a more skilled opponent.
I do not have a dog in your hunt, but it also my understanding that each district will decide if they have a playoff or settle with co-champions. Therefore, this may change from district to district and year to year.
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Post by freekick on Jan 29, 2012 9:27:33 GMT -6
Sorry, chspc2, don't know how to do that neat copy thing with the surrounding box. Agree it is not necessary to always separate #1 and #2, but the handbook says it is up to each district. My point was that this would be best decided before the season starts, or just have a uniform procedure for all divisions/districts and take away the confusion. The handbook is clear about determining second place if there is a tie for that. Surely, there are other districts with a similar dilemma.
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Post by coolhandluke on Jan 29, 2012 9:32:21 GMT -6
Your District Bylaws will determine your tie-breaker rules. Our Division II - District 5 bylaws call for Co-Champions to be declared in a case of a tie for 1st place. Your District Chairperson should have those bylaws
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Post by chspc2 on Jan 29, 2012 10:23:32 GMT -6
Sorry, chspc2, don't know how to do that neat copy thing with the surrounding box. Agree it is not necessary to always separate #1 and #2, but the handbook says it is up to each district. My point was that this would be best decided before the season starts, or just have a uniform procedure for all divisions/districts and take away the confusion. The handbook is clear about determining second place if there is a tie for that. Surely, there are other districts with a similar dilemma. I agree.....I had meant to add that each district usually determines what tie-breakers will be done before the season is started. Our district decided that there is no need to determine a tie for first.......only a tiebreaker if there was a tie for second. |
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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 29, 2012 11:42:47 GMT -6
I believe District 6 has decided that a tie for first will be decided by a playoff. I think after Saturdays physical game both Episcopal and University would like to begin preparing for the playoffs instead of beating each other up again. I guess also to put things into perspective these are rival schools in every sport so there is always more intensity than normal when we get together.
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Post by racsoccer on Jan 29, 2012 19:11:46 GMT -6
There will be no need for a playoff. West Feliciana scores on Uhigh, meaning episcopal receives #1 seed for the district.
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Post by tigerdawg on Jan 31, 2012 0:43:27 GMT -6
racsoccer there will be no playoff, and uhigh and episcopal are co-district champions.
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