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Post by sonics3 on Feb 16, 2012 20:41:00 GMT -6
Final 2-1 MCA.
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Post by oldhattrick3 on Feb 16, 2012 21:10:36 GMT -6
25-5 picking this year with one to go. Not to shabby for an ole dude
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Post by truefan on Feb 16, 2012 21:39:27 GMT -6
Impressive, now to pick the big one. Good luck! Sounds like 2 exciting games tonight. Congratulations to all the ladies tonight!
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Post by playonman on Feb 16, 2012 21:58:20 GMT -6
Deplorable ref calls in Dominican vs SSA. Heartbreaking when refs actually determine the outcome of a match on bad calls. Clearly, DHS dominated the match and outplayed the opponent on every level.
Please correct or confirm...is it RULE 17, Ref handbook - Common Sense Where was it tonight?
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Post by ijsouth on Feb 16, 2012 22:18:13 GMT -6
Deplorable ref calls in Dominican vs SSA. Heartbreaking when refs actually determine the outcome of a match on bad calls. Clearly, DHS dominated the match and outplayed the opponent on every level. Please correct or confirm...is it RULE 17, Ref handbook - Common Sense Where was it tonight? I've been lurking on this board for a while now, and it's a good source of information; this post compelled me to register and post. I was at the game, and I can claim true neutrality in this - my kid plays in Division III and her team has already been eliminated. I don't know how anyone can claim the officiating decided that game. It certainly wasn't biased against Dominican - if anything, SSA had a goal disallowed on the stupid high school "keeper control" rule. I thought SSA was clearly the superior team, even though Dominican grabbed the early lead; they played a far more aggressive, attacking form of football, and were finally rewarded. I really thought Dominican went into "park the bus" mode far too early in the game. It was a good, clean match, the better team won, and I thought the referee was fairly good - he pretty much let both teams play. |
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Post by mydove4 on Feb 16, 2012 22:20:05 GMT -6
oldhattrick3, ok not too shabby, but you had some help from your prognosticator friend here along the way who made you a believer.
ijsouth - your assessment seems right on with mine. Obviously the former post was sour grapes. The way I see it, it very well could have been 4-1 SSA. No way did DHS outplay SSA. I'll try to give you some highlights since I was there. First of all DHS was very physical in the first half and took it to the Doves. DHS scored first on a header just a few minutes into the game. The score remained 1-0 at the half. The Doves came out fired up in the second half but DHS remained committed to their physical style of play. The Doves seemingly scored a goal off of a corner kick, however, the CR waived it off citing a foul on the Dove player who headed it in. A defensive battle raged on for the next 15-20 minutes or so. "DHS never really mounted an offensive threat". They seemed content to rely on their defense to hold on to the one goal lead and it seemed like it was going to work. SSA seemingly had another goal when the Doves maneuvered the ball into the box. A couple of deflections and a loose ball in front of the goal was tapped in. But, the AR waived it off citing the DHS goalie had control of the ball. We won the game, so this is not sour grapes, the goalie was no where near the ball. The ball was bouncing in front of the goal and put in the net. Ten minutes left, the Doves were substituting freely, DHS seemed to be going with the same players. The Doves stamina appeared to be too much for DHS as the black team pressed hard and committed several fouls. Finally, SSA tallied one off of a ball that was being deflected around the box. This one was not waved off and the score was now 1-1. Now energized, the Doves continued to press the DHS team who seemed to be running out of gas. The Doves midfielder maneuvered the ball deep into the left corner of the box and was fouled by a DHS defender. A penalty kick by the Doves gave them a 2-1 lead with 2:00 minutes left. DHS made one last charge but the Doves were able to repell them. There's no doubting that the DHS team was a very physical and talented group. But, the Doves defense proved to be just as tough thwarting every DHS opportunity. As for the Doves strikers and midfielders, what else can you say? These girls got knocked around all night but never backed down. Their persistence and resiliency in the last 8 minutes carried the Doves to their fourth straight finals appearance. This was truly a game to behold, and kind of ironic that DHS scored 3 goals in the last 10 minutes to beat FHS, only to have SSA score 2 goals against them in the last 8 minutes to knock out the defending champs. All I can say is I'm glad this one did not have to go to overtime or PKs.
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Post by playonman on Feb 16, 2012 22:29:32 GMT -6
Give it up. DHS got screwed when SSA was awarded the PK in the last two minutes of the match. Very poor call....confirmed by many SSA parents sitting by me. I didn't see much out of SSA...a few breakaways yielding few results. DHS played soccer.
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Post by ijsouth on Feb 16, 2012 22:40:03 GMT -6
Give it up. DHS got screwed when SSA was awarded the PK in the last two minutes of the match. Very poor call....confirmed by many SSA parents sitting by me. I didn't see much out of SSA...a few breakaways yielding few results. DHS played soccer. I don't know what game you were watching pal...you're 180 degrees out of phase. SSA strung passes together - Dominican's only offense was hoofing it long, particularly in the second half. There was a huge gap between the strikers and the rest of the team in the second half, and SSA took advantage of it. As for the foul in the area that gave the lead to SSA, I didn't have a good view of it, so I can't say it was a good call or not - I was at midfield...if you were with the Dominican supporters, you had an even worse view of it. The referee was there, he made the call, and that was that. Given the fact that he wasn't overly quick with the whistle during the game, I would give him the benefit of the doubt and say it was a good call. I don't envy the referee - he has to make a decision in a matter of seconds, and unlike the NFL he doesn't have benefit of replay. The point is, don't whine about the officiating - that did not determine the result of this game - two good teams did, and the better team on the night won. |
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Post by hayref1 on Feb 16, 2012 22:47:54 GMT -6
I agree with ijsouth. My daughter plays for DHS and she told me it was a foul! Plain and simple. We as parents need to move on. SSA is an outstanding team and until the DHS center Mid went out with an injury "and not return", this is when SSA started dominating the midfield. The injury happened 3 minutes into the second half. Injuries happen and teams need to play on and DHS could not find the right player to fill that void. To msdove4 Dominican is not the DEBS! They do not have a mascot! They just go by DHS!
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Post by div1coach222 on Feb 16, 2012 22:48:13 GMT -6
playonman- take a chill pill and next week go and see Mt. Carmel vs SSA for the state crown...Just as the Font. game Monday there are calls that are questionable, and Font. could have claimed foul , but we win with grace and lose with class.... You won last year gracefully now show a lil class and if you cannot give congrats to SSA just be quiet and let it go.
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Post by ijsouth on Feb 16, 2012 22:51:35 GMT -6
I really question the tactics Dominican employed in the second half; it was very clear that they thought 1-0 would stand up, and they were content with playing defense, with the occasional long ball in an attempt to catch SSA on the break (it almost worked a few times). I told the fellas I was standing with that there was no way 1 goal was going to win this, and after SSA got the equalizer, I had the sense another one was coming.
Again, I had no dog in this hunt, so I was watching the game with no emotional attachment - it just seemed to me that SSA was the far superior team. The matchup with Mt Carmel in the final should be a good one.
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Post by ijsouth on Feb 16, 2012 22:55:33 GMT -6
I agree with ijsouth. My daughter plays for DHS and she told me it was a foul! Plain and simple. We as parents need to move on. SSA is an outstanding team and until the DHS center Mid went out with an injury "and not return", this is when SSA started dominating the midfield. The injury happened 3 minutes into the second half. Injuries happen and teams need to play on and DHS could not find the right player to fill that void. To msdove4 Dominican is not the DEBS! They do not have a mascot! They just go by DHS! Hmmm...that might explain the defensive tactics in the second half. Dominican is a fine team - very mentally tough, coming back from two goals down with 8 to play last week, and they were a fine champion. I do think SSA was the better team this night, though. |
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Post by copakid14 on Feb 16, 2012 23:23:40 GMT -6
Parents, learn that when your team beats another team...and knocks that team out of the playoffs (a team with seniors that have quite possibly played their last competitive game) it is painful. Many of these people have been living and dying every game with their kids for 4 years of high school and many for 14 years of a soccer lifetime. It's hard. So when those people get on here and complain about officiating, or say the better team didn't win...that is just their way of dealing with the realization that it's over. Don't get on here and respond refuting how your team was far superior and tell them to get over it. Be the bigger person and let the kids that won move on and compete for a championship. Nobody needs to hear how you are some wise prognosticator. Just be gracious in the victory and most will come to their senses that 2 great teams played a very close game and one team had to lose. Go home and tell your kid that you are proud of them for giving everything they had. They will remember the friendships and great times they experienced in high school soccer. Only you can ruin that by dwelling and focusing on the wrong things...this is true even if you win!
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Post by Garrincha! on Feb 16, 2012 23:28:05 GMT -6
Wasn't there tonight, but I heard from a lot of folks that Dominican did play park to bus mode too early with just a one goal lead. SSA was just too aggressive offensively. Remember how aggressive Dominican was a few nights ago against Font. and they came away with th 'W'.
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Post by div1coach222 on Feb 17, 2012 7:36:52 GMT -6
1st thought- for us as bystanders who are not at the practices, in the huddle and basically do not know the team as well as the head coach. just as we sit and say officiating cost us the game for us to sit here and say what a coach should have done or did not do is frankly not fair. to say Dom. started to play less aggressive and hold on to the lead was the wrong thing to do well hind sight is 20/20. i would ask if you are not involved get involved get certified and start coaching at the club level. as you practice you learn alot about your athletes, their conditioning and their mind set. in the end during game conditions you make your decisions on what you see and basically a gut feeling. as you make these decisions you are always going to play your best 11 that give you the best chance to win. sometimes it works and YOU are brilliant, but sometimes it goes against you. you all may not believe this but sometimes the decision you make is the right one , but in the end it is up to the players to perform and carry out the plan to perfection. these athletes are not robots and there are times that they just do not have their A game. I believe that coaches are like quarterbacks and when they win they get to much credit,but when they lose get to much of the blame.
Aliceshoe1- I agree about officials having no agenda, but I have seen on MANY occasions where a ref, did influence the out come of a game. On purpose? No, but in the end just as coaching and players do we MUST acknowledge that this is the case. I have seen and played many games over the years and I will have to say when it comes to officiating ALL sports whether it be girls or boys sports, soccer officials seem to be the most inconsistant and quite frankly lacking in quality from one crew and game to the next. When it comes to Girls soccer (high school or club) I have found over the years that women refs. do a better job. I do not know why, but I find that to be the case. quite frankly I do not know if I have ever had a game where I could say I have had a badly called game when these refs. have been female.Just a thought.
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Post by div1coach222 on Feb 17, 2012 7:50:55 GMT -6
copakid14- my daughter and I are one of the people you are talking about. blood and guts over the years and now it is over. quarterfinals was a good run, but we wanted more. we did not get on a message board and blame officials or coach.I do not have a problem questioning some calls but in the end you must acknowledge that the other team was better that game. . I do not have a problem for people to speak up when a person (adult) comes on and really disrespects the other team by saying without the help of a outside source they would not have been victorious. I have been in such games where quite frankly this happens, but you must set an example for kids, other adults and just acknowledge the other team in defeat. SSA-Dominican I have no agenda or ties to either, but I do respect each one and even if I felt we were better in defeat I would keep it to myself....That is the right thing to do and the word is called CLASS.
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Post by yert on Feb 17, 2012 8:36:07 GMT -6
Wish this was a FaceBook comment so I could "LIKE" copakid's post! Well said my friend!
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Post by barnacle13 on Feb 17, 2012 9:10:40 GMT -6
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Post by britspub on Feb 17, 2012 10:07:57 GMT -6
A good, bad or indifferent referee is part of the game, like the wind and field conditions. For good or bad coaches and players have to deal with it and get on with the game. A referee influences every game. The main thing that most fans, coaches and players do not realize is the angle of view of the ref when making or not making a call. The ref sees one angle which none or very few see at the same time. As a coach or player you can only hope to find a ref who works hard to get in the best position to make a call. But lets be honest, referees are no more inconsistent than coaches and players are, etc. The quality of coaches and players are just as lacking as the quality of officals across the board.
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Post by div1coach222 on Feb 17, 2012 11:28:45 GMT -6
I will differ with you in saying that referees are no more inconsistant then coaches and the athletes on the field..In fact as a coach my main complaint is not whether the ref calls a good game, but where as the calling stays consistant thru out the contest. As I have written in several post some of the best officiating I have seen (this year) was not necessarily the game where I agree with their calls. It was the officials who stayed consistant thru out the contest and communucated with the athletes on the field. I believe this area is where most players and coaches would agree with me. Maybe not? This is the area where I feel is lacking in this sport and I see more inconsistancies compared to other sports being played.. Just my opinion and I am sure many would also disagree with me and that is fine too.
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