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Post by soccerpelican on Feb 16, 2012 21:00:29 GMT -6
How are things going for all during the playoffs?
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Post by happyjack on Feb 19, 2012 7:11:13 GMT -6
As they go every year, the teams that win do so solely on their talent, the teams that lose do so solely because the referees are horrible....hah
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Post by Patriot fan on Feb 19, 2012 9:12:00 GMT -6
This assumes that all referees do not make bad calls or miss calls during the game.. While not always the case your basic assumption is not entirely accurate.. Referees can and do influence outcomes of some games..It is accurate to say that in most circumstances talent will rise above it all however that is not always the case..
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Post by dulac on Feb 19, 2012 13:03:18 GMT -6
This assumes that all referees do not make bad calls or miss calls during the game.. While not always the case your basic assumption is not entirely accurate.. Referees can and do influence outcomes of some games..It is accurate to say that in most circumstances talent will rise above it all however that is not always the case.. And on the other side of the coin, Players and coaches can and do influence outcomes of some games, win and lose. We are all human, we all make mistakes, and we ALL can rise above it. For the most part, La's refs have served above and beyond what is expected of them. Kudos to all of you and the great job you are doing. Now, on to league play. It's time. |
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 19, 2012 13:22:48 GMT -6
Anything can influence the game at any time- players that argue with their parents before a game, bad mayo at Subway (true incident), a sudden gust of wind, eagle flying over the field (another true incident), a coaching mistake, a player mistake, or a refs mistake. However you usually cant say exactly what influenced it and more than often it is just either one team was better or just got more lucky with their shots.
The best teams don't always win but the one who makes more goals does.
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Post by happyjack on Feb 19, 2012 22:53:27 GMT -6
This assumes that all referees do not make bad calls or miss calls during the game.. While not always the case your basic assumption is not entirely accurate.. Referees can and do influence outcomes of some games..It is accurate to say that in most circumstances talent will rise above it all however that is not always the case.. I think you could actually make a case that referees influence the outcome of every game, as do coaches, players, bad weather, field conditions, and everything else that is on the field. All participants have some influence, but the degrees of influence vary. I've yet to see an official make 1 call that is the only deciding factor in any match |
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Post by soccerprofessor on Feb 20, 2012 16:50:32 GMT -6
While I agree that a one or even a few bad calls would not or would rarely become the deciding factor in a game, a referee can greatly affect the play of a game. A few years ago in club play, two teams met twice in a season. In the first game team A won 10-0 and in the second game team A won 1-0. The difference was in game 1, the referee called the fouls. In game 2, the referee allowed a free-for-all that permitted a much less talented but much more physical team stay close by constant fouling. The calls or non-calls were consistent for the teams in both games. So, the personality of the referee can have a large impact on the play.
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Post by time2retire on Feb 22, 2012 8:46:16 GMT -6
While I agree that a one or even a few bad calls would not or would rarely become the deciding factor in a game, a referee can greatly affect the play of a game. A few years ago in club play, two teams met twice in a season. In the first game team A won 10-0 and in the second game team A won 1-0. The difference was in game 1, the referee called the fouls. In game 2, the referee allowed a free-for-all that permitted a much less talented but much more physical team stay close by constant fouling. The calls or non-calls were consistent for the teams in both games. So, the personality of the referee can have a large impact on the play. Exact same referee crew? |
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Post by happyjack on Feb 22, 2012 10:52:09 GMT -6
While I agree that a one or even a few bad calls would not or would rarely become the deciding factor in a game, a referee can greatly affect the play of a game. A few years ago in club play, two teams met twice in a season. In the first game team A won 10-0 and in the second game team A won 1-0. The difference was in game 1, the referee called the fouls. In game 2, the referee allowed a free-for-all that permitted a much less talented but much more physical team stay close by constant fouling. The calls or non-calls were consistent for the teams in both games. So, the personality of the referee can have a large impact on the play. If the calls and non calls were consistent for both teams in both games,how could 1 be a free for all? This sounds like a conflicting statement |
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Post by soccerprofessor on Feb 22, 2012 21:29:28 GMT -6
Of course the crews were different. The teams were the same but two different center refs with very different views on what a constitutes a foul.
When I said that the calls were consistent, I meant that for each game the calls were consistent between the two teams, that is, one team was not favored over the other. I did not mean to imply that the calls were consistent between the games. Of course in game 1, team B was called for many more fouls than team A but that was because team B committed more fouls than team A. What constituted a foul was consistent between both teams in both games but the first ref called the game tight and the second ref allowed a very physical game.
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Post by time2retire on Feb 23, 2012 11:49:11 GMT -6
Of course the crews were different. The teams were the same but two different center refs with very different views on what a constitutes a foul. When I said that the calls were consistent, I meant that for each game the calls were consistent between the two teams, that is, one team was not favored over the other. I did not mean to imply that the calls were consistent between the games. Of course in game 1, team B was called for many more fouls than team A but that was because team B committed more fouls than team A. What constituted a foul was consistent between both teams in both games but the first ref called the game tight and the second ref allowed a very physical game. Don't take this the wrong way but I think you're asking for one of the worst things that can happen in any game - a robot referee with a very black-and-white literal interpretation of LOTG. |
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Post by soccerprofessor on Feb 26, 2012 10:30:04 GMT -6
I'm not asking for anything. I'm just making an observation. The manner in which a game is called can have an impact on the game. It seems to me that the argument that all referees call the game in the same way is ridiculous. It is clear at all levels of the game. Some referees allow a more physical game and some are more restrictive. I'm not attempting to judge one over the other. However, I do think that it is important to recognize the fact.
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