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Post by oldhattrick3 on Feb 21, 2012 15:51:59 GMT -6
Know the answer? Have opinions ? Want to make your claim of regardless of future what it means now? Let em rip !
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Post by miraddydad on Feb 21, 2012 19:15:09 GMT -6
In many cases, it means a lot to the kids. I've not been around high school soccer long enough to comment any further on that.
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Post by Garrincha! on Feb 21, 2012 22:59:47 GMT -6
Kids love awards, it shows their acheivement over the years. Same as if you get good grades. If a kid does not plan to play college soccer, it really doesn't matter as much. But a kid that really wants that chance to play on a higher level it means a lot. The first thing a college coach looks at when recruting are grades and test scores. If you can't get past this hurdle the awards tend to lose it's luster, plus the undivided attention of the recruiter. But if you past the first phase ANY coach will want to know what you have acheived on the high school and club level(All State, All District, etc.). Also what high level tournaments did you attend on the club level and how did your team place( Champions, Finalist, Semis, etc)? I think that's why we question how All State / District playes are picked. Some are very good player, but never receive recognition because the team didn't do well due to a tough schedule or did way too well due to an extremely weak schedule. Every kid wants to understand why they didn't get picked on a certain team. That show you that it does mean something to them no matter if they want to play at the next level or not.
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Post by sokerfan on Feb 22, 2012 0:04:08 GMT -6
On the District level:
It really does mean something to the girls that "Earn it", and I believe the girls know whether they deserve it or not. I just wish the Coaches would put bias aside and vote accordingly. I know they feel the loyalty to their team & school, but if it was their daughter or niece on the opposing team that was being shut out because of "team representation" voting they would feel differently.
I just wish they could vote with their knowledge of good players and not their HEART. Then and only then would the best of the best be correctly be voted in.
All State
Most coaches that vote haven't seen the best of the best play, all they see is their district, and their districts best may not come close to the talent throughout the state. Therefore voting may be affected.
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Post by soccermom11 on Feb 22, 2012 21:35:09 GMT -6
My son plays college soccer, however, when he was in high school a referee once told him "No ones gonna remember or care who was All-district or All-State when you're playing college ball". This is so true. He was District Offensive MVP his senior year and when he was being recruited the coach never asked about that. They wanted to see him play, see his high school transcript and ACT scores.
I think the kids get excited about these awards and honors but I don't really think they really matter in the long run.
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Post by oldhattrick3 on Feb 22, 2012 21:49:19 GMT -6
My son plays college soccer, however, when he was in high school a referee once told him "No ones gonna remember or care who was All-district or All-State when you're playing college ball". This is so true. He was District Offensive MVP his senior year and when he was being recruited the coach never asked about that. They wanted to see him play, see his high school transcript and ACT scores. I think the kids get excited about these awards and honors but I don't really think they really matter in the long run. You know soccermom, that's a good point. In my years helping young athletes get to the next level, never did a college coach ask for a list of awards. Asked for video footage if I had it and transcripts, and possible schedule (high school and/or club) if they were really interested. Never a request for all-state, all- district, etc years. I guess it truly is a "short term" reward. |
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Post by copakid14 on Feb 22, 2012 23:23:37 GMT -6
They may not ask it to make their decision on whether to take a kid, but many of the press releases that come out on these kids signing include such accolades. I think when you get to the All-State level it starts to matter more while All-District is nice but not a huge selling point. As far as it being a short term reward, many of these kids will pull their old box of awards out of the attic when they are in their mid 40's-50's and revisit the glory days with their kids..."back when I played, we had to run with shoes that still weighed 7 ounces or more!"...kid responds: lame dad
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 23, 2012 2:49:55 GMT -6
Of course they matter to the ones that win them. It is an honor to the kids just as winning an academic award is. Does it mean anything long term? Again, probably only to the winners.
We all love recognition when we do well. Who would turn down an award with your company? Will anybody remember said reward a year from now but you? Probably not, but that doesn't diminish the award.
Do coaches like coach of the year awards?
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Post by oldhattrick3 on Feb 23, 2012 7:18:50 GMT -6
Of course they matter to the ones that win them. It is an honor to the kids just as winning an academic award is. Does it mean anything long term? Again, probably only to the winners. We all love recognition when we do well. Who would turn down an award with your company? Will anybody remember said reward a year from now but you? Probably not, but that doesn't diminish the award. Do coaches like coach of the year awards? Yes, it's an honor. The question talks about meaning to the young man or lady down the road, and I think it doesn't "mean" anything (big), it's just a good memory like many others. Again, this is not diminishing the fact that in the moment of getting the recognition it doesn't mean anything. Of course it does. When they get that letterman jacket it means something to have some recognition stripes on it. Copikid, I hear what you are saying, just never experienced it in my days with kids I worked with getting to the next level. Lots of questions never really anything around recognition. Now I may have brought it up lol - "oh yea, she was 3 years all district, and 2 years all state.". Just not sure what effect it had on the college coach I was talking to. Laffysoccermom, not really saying anyone would turn an award down, they all love it, just looking to see what value/meaning it has long term beyond a memory to that individual. I guess in reverse, the ones that don't get recognized and feel they should have, are they sulking years down the road about it still - of course that may be easier to answer, probably not. I'm sure the kid inside of every coach loves being recognized by his peers for being successful. I can assure you, at least for me, it's an honor, just doesn't last much longer than the moment for some coaches. I think these are all good comments and opinions that's why I opened this topic up, to get opinions on it. Not that there is a right or wrong answer, just experiences. |
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Post by div1coach222 on Feb 23, 2012 7:23:24 GMT -6
awards do matter, but I differ on which one means more state or district?As for as state goes, because of logistics and the amount of teams (athletes) some well deserving athletes will not be recognized for their efforts and it is not the fault of the coaches. There is no way coaches can see all players on the field doing their thing. I feel this award then becomes name recognition, club team, school and basically reputation. Someone on a lesser team will not have this advantage. All district I feel is more in tune with rewarding the best athletes because coaches see these athletes 2 times a year. By doing this they have a better idea who should be rewarded with this honor. Just my thoughts on this matter...
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Post by sokerfan on Feb 23, 2012 12:01:26 GMT -6
div1coach222, I agree with you about the logistics and the athletes being left out. Things have changed some over the last 9 years at Lafayette High. And by that I mean the recognition of players. But this is due to the fact that since Coach Katie has been there they have traveled far & wide to play the best the state has to offer. She does this to find out if the new players can handle good competition or is the game too fast for them. And the other reason is to show her team where they belong. When you can compete against the best you have to consider yourself in the upper tear with the best.
With that being said, we have had players noticed because the coaches from these top teams have to game plan to stop them. That is how to get the good recognition to your team and players. We have had it where a player has made 2nd team All District (because of the each team must be represented thing) but made 1st team All State because we played teams outside of our district. Therefore Coaches who would not have normally seen our girls play, got a chance to see what we think are talented players.
Our district plays each other only once because of the limited number of games you are allowed to play. With a 7 team district some feel it is more beneficial to only play once for district and schedule a non-district game if it is a team in which you can have a good game with. (example: Lafayette plays STM twice) By only playing each team once this allows us to play Mt. Carmel, Dominican and the other upper tear teams in the state, which would not be able to play if we had to play each other twice. Even playing each team once the Coaches should know who to vote for, and they do, but they don't always do so because of the politics. (everyone represented)
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Post by oldhattrick3 on Feb 23, 2012 21:55:31 GMT -6
awards do matter, but I differ on which one means more state or district?As for as state goes, because of logistics and the amount of teams (athletes) some well deserving athletes will not be recognized for their efforts and it is not the fault of the coaches. There is no way coaches can see all players on the field doing their thing. I feel this award then becomes name recognition, club team, school and basically reputation. Someone on a lesser team will not have this advantage. All district I feel is more in tune with rewarding the best athletes because coaches see these athletes 2 times a year. By doing this they have a better idea who should be rewarded with this honor. Just my thoughts on this matter... Div1coach222, you started with "awards do matter", I'm interested in your reasons they matter now and in the future? Good points on the district vs state |
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Post by oldhattrick3 on Feb 23, 2012 22:01:53 GMT -6
div1coach222, I agree with you about the logistics and the athletes being left out. Things have changed some over the last 9 years at Lafayette High. And by that I mean the recognition of players. But this is due to the fact that since Coach Katie has been there they have traveled far & wide to play the best the state has to offer. She does this to find out if the new players can handle good competition or is the game too fast for them. And the other reason is to show her team where they belong. When you can compete against the best you have to consider yourself in the upper tear with the best. With that being said, we have had players noticed because the coaches from these top teams have to game plan to stop them. That is how to get the good recognition to your team and players. We have had it where a player has made 2nd team All District (because of the each team must be represented thing) but made 1st team All State because we played teams outside of our district. Therefore Coaches who would not have normally seen our girls play, got a chance to see what we think are talented players. Our district plays each other only once because of the limited number of games you are allowed to play. With a 7 team district some feel it is more beneficial to only play once for district and schedule a non-district game if it is a team in which you can have a good game with. (example: Lafayette plays STM twice) By only playing each team once this allows us to play Mt. Carmel, Dominican and the other upper tear teams in the state, which would not be able to play if we had to play each other twice. Even playing each team once the Coaches should know who to vote for, and they do, but they don't always do so because of the politics. (everyone represented) Sokerfan, first thanks for the advertisement for Lafayette High Girl's soccer. I'm interested in one comment "We have had it where a player has made 2nd team All District (because of the each team must be represented thing) but made 1st team All State because we played teams outside of our district". Just looking for when this happened. Typically that is looked at by the coaches for the nomination process, and the 2nd team district ones are typically removed from the nomination sheet before going to coaches for voting. Just interested. 2nd would be interested on your opinion on the topic of awards mattering now and in the future. |
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Post by offsides on Feb 23, 2012 22:13:20 GMT -6
div1coach222, I agree with you about the logistics and the athletes being left out. Things have changed some over the last 9 years at Lafayette High. And by that I mean the recognition of players. But this is due to the fact that since Coach Katie has been there they have traveled far & wide to play the best the state has to offer. She does this to find out if the new players can handle good competition or is the game too fast for them. And the other reason is to show her team where they belong. When you can compete against the best you have to consider yourself in the upper tear with the best With that being said, we have had players noticed because the coaches from these top teams have to game plan to stop them. That is how to get the good recognition to your team and players. We have had it where a player has made 2nd team All District (because of the each team must be represented thing) but made 1st team All State because we played teams outside of our district. Therefore Coaches who would not have normally seen our girls play, got a chance to see what we think are talented players. Our district plays each other only once because of the limited number of games you are allowed to play. With a 7 team district some feel it is more beneficial to only play once for district and schedule a non-district game if it is a team in which you can have a good game with. (example: Lafayette plays STM twice) By only playing each team once this allows us to play Mt. Carmel, Dominican and the other upper tear teams in the state, which would not be able to play if we had to play each other twice. Even playing each team once the Coaches should know who to vote for, and they do, but they don't always do so because of the politics. (everyone represented) Years ago,(before schools of choice and the academies) the LHS district was more competitive. The local talent was a tad more evenly distributed Comeaux, Acadiana, and Carencro all had premier players. Then add in Barbe, New Iberia and others to the mix. The LHS district has changed several times in several years and spanned several areas of south Louisiana. No one team in the Lafayette district has ever enjoyed the consistent stability and depth of roster Katie has over the years (9). I think it is safe to say, there are deserving all district players on more than just the district champion team. Every athlete awarded all district should feel deserving. They didn't vote. It does not matter what anyone else thinks. They are the top tier of their district, their name is on the list. Politics or no politics, once the list is made public, the fat lady has sung. |
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Post by div1coach222 on Feb 24, 2012 7:49:11 GMT -6
oldhattrick- I am in the minority when it comes to which one matters more? Where it matters is a honor for the athlete to be recognized for their hard work and production on the field. I would hope on district level politics and" all must be represented "takes more of a back seat in selection because the coaches thru competition have usually seen these players several times. I am more familiar with Div. I District 6 and I can see where SSA, Mandeville and Fontainebleu would make up the majority of 1st and 2nd team all district with Northshore having representatives somewhere in the mix. The balance of in the 2nd team district, honorable mention category could be filled by Slidell, Covington and Ponchatoula. Again I would pick the best and sometimes I have been considered to be not politically correct in saying alll must be represented. State is another matter, I cannot remember where I read, but it was a thread on this site talking about scorers for example. This individual mentioned how most goals stats are skewd because they come in bunches against weaker teams. In district 6 as you watched games and looked at box scores (this year) you could see this was definately the case. The high powered individuals were held in check when faced a formibale defense. Yes there is the cream of the crop on a state level, but unlike college or pro sports there is just not enough coverage of teams for me to say that it is as accurate as it should be. Let me just say that I do believe coaches do the best that they can do for what they are asked to do with the information they have in front of them.
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Post by barnacle13 on Feb 24, 2012 15:34:11 GMT -6
I think it is important to note that players also can earn NOT being included in All-District consideration despite being a great player. Again the coaches do know the players best and nominate based on the impact to their team (both positive and negative). Teamwork, work ethic at practice, sportsmanship, punctuality, communication with coach and team are all a part of playing a team sport. To be recognized as the best in the district and further in the state you'd expect these charactreistics to be exemplary as well.
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Post by stlfan on Feb 24, 2012 23:38:00 GMT -6
The coin of the realm in youth soccer is, and will always be, club soccer. College coaches are aware of the disparities in high school soccer, the plethora of double-digit beatdowns, etc. etc. One team's "all-district" player might not start on a better team, while the better team has a player sitting the bench who would start and star on almost any other team. Club soccer guarantees better competition through which to judge an individual player.
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