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Post by laffysoccermom on Nov 4, 2012 6:19:19 GMT -6
I really don't see myself actually reffing. With my child's soccer schedule, we are busy most soccer weekends and I don't miss her games. I would do it just for the knowledge at this point. And maybe I could help some refs out by doing some hand calls from the sidelines. 😉I'm sure that would be appreciated. My only worry is the scheduling. My schedule is pretty crazy. Are there any online courses that would impart the same knowledge even if I wouldn't be certified.
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Post by tonygalinto on Nov 4, 2012 8:33:52 GMT -6
I really don't see myself actually reffing. With my child's soccer schedule, we are busy most soccer weekends and I don't miss her games. I would do it just for the knowledge at this point. And maybe I could help some refs out by doing some hand calls from the sidelines. 😉I'm sure that would be appreciated. My only worry is the scheduling. My schedule is pretty crazy. Are there any online courses that would impart the same knowledge even if I wouldn't be certified. Not a good idea to try to help the referee or even the ARs during the game. Can you imagine what the other parents would think if they felt you were influencing the referee's calls. Go to the clinic, learn as much as you can and let the assignor know when you are available to work, they will work with you if you want to work games. When your daughter goes to tournaments let the tournament assignor know when you are available between games. They will use you whenever you are available. Even if you never work a game the knowledge you will gain is worth the cost. Just don't make the mistake that since you are now a registered referee that you are qualified to critique the officials, that is what an assessor does. Go to www.askasoccerreferee.com/ to read the answers to question that have been submitted over the years. The people answering the questions are most National USSF instructors, National Assessors, and National level or higher referees. I highly recommend the site.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Nov 4, 2012 14:19:35 GMT -6
I was joking about helping the ref. I know that wouldn't be appreciated by anybody.
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Post by barnacle13 on Nov 5, 2012 12:48:56 GMT -6
I know it can be a thankless job and I know my team is currently playing in the training ground for new center refs and ARs, but my game yesterday kinda left me scrathing my head. I sent an e-mail to the assignor so she could cover the Laws of the Game with the center ref. Mostly around when a keeper can and can't handle the ball, but after calling handling on my keeper for picking up a clearly deflected clearout, the ref then yells out when the opposing keeper is about to handle an obvious back pass that the keeper couldn't play it with their hands. What happened to referees remaining neutral and allowing the players to play? Also, while lining up the free kick for the other team on the "handling" by my keeper, the ref told my keeper they could no longer dribble the ball into the box and pick it up after a long ball from the opponent. It was frustrating for me, and very confusing for my keeper. I'm trying to keep it in perspective and make it a learning experience for my keeper and for the referee. When I asked about the dribbling back into the box and picking up for a punt I was told by the ref that this was technically circumventing the rules. Of course I disagreed and asked her to check with the assignor or other experienced ref or just watch a professional match. This happens all the time in Pro games and I'm sure FIFA refs would be blowing the whistle if it was an infraction of the Laws. In the end I had to reinforce with my keeper that she was doing the right things. Picking up a deflection is legal, as is dribbling the ball into the box and picking up if last touched by the opponent. This was very confusing for a 10 year old player!
On a positive note, the AR did an excellent job of calling off a goal that did not totally cross the line (by one of my players). He was in position and looking down the line. I wish he'd have been out of position, but he wasn't. Kudos to him for making a tough call!
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Post by laffysoccermom on Nov 5, 2012 19:28:23 GMT -6
We had a ref one time fuss at my daughter for passing back to the keeper because the keeper picked it up. She said my daughter shouldn't have done that because the keeper didn't know... Our coach told my daughter not to worry about it- he would work with the keeper. He also told the keeper not to worry about it either as she was still learning. It was interesting but luckily for all, it was only a scrimmage.
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Post by barnacle13 on Nov 9, 2012 8:55:36 GMT -6
We had a ref one time fuss at my daughter for passing back to the keeper because the keeper picked it up. She said my daughter shouldn't have done that because the keeper didn't know... Our coach told my daughter not to worry about it- he would work with the keeper. He also told the keeper not to worry about it either as she was still learning. It was interesting but luckily for all, it was only a scrimmage. This is all part of the coaching process. Unfortunately goalies tend to receive the least amount of coaching and on a rec team like mine, the keeper can change from half to half and game to game. I expect goalies to make the wrong play and to have to coach them on that aspect of the game. I'd prefer the referee to just call the infraction and let me explain to the keeper what they should do in the situation. I certainly don't need the ref giving the keeper the wrong info, or coaching the other team so they don't make the infraction.
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Post by dualyellow on Nov 12, 2012 10:12:57 GMT -6
On the Lafayette Referee homepage you will find a link to register for the course. It's 5 nights from 6-9. No running, only lecture and an exam on the final evening. lra-soccer.com/
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Nov 12, 2012 10:18:19 GMT -6
We had a ref one time fuss at my daughter for passing back to the keeper because the keeper picked it up. She said my daughter shouldn't have done that because the keeper didn't know... Our coach told my daughter not to worry about it- he would work with the keeper. He also told the keeper not to worry about it either as she was still learning. It was interesting but luckily for all, it was only a scrimmage. This is all part of the coaching process. Unfortunately goalies tend to receive the least amount of coaching and on a rec team like mine, the keeper can change from half to half and game to game. I expect goalies to make the wrong play and to have to coach them on that aspect of the game. I'd prefer the referee to just call the infraction and let me explain to the keeper what they should do in the situation. I certainly don't need the ref giving the keeper the wrong info, or coaching the other team so they don't make the infraction. You are correct. When I ref, it is hard to stop being a coach because I do want to help and teach the kids what to do. But, as a ref, that is not my job. I make calls and let the coaches coach. But, I did make an exception the other day. I instructed a goalie to make sure he yelled "keeper" when he was going to beat a few other players to the ball. At that point, I just wanted to make sure that he warned the other players so that he would not get a cleat shoved in his teeth. I saw it as "safety advice" more then coaching. Last thing I wanted to do was search for his teeth in the grass. That would have delayed the re-start!
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Post by laffysoccermom on Nov 12, 2012 10:32:46 GMT -6
Good advice. I don't mind teaching especially when they are younger. We had great examples of refs teaching when my daughter played basketball- it was most players first times ever. There were a couple of times when the ref had the ball and both teams were at the other end of court lolling at him. They also counted out loud to help the girls get used to the shooting lane rules. Did it for both teams and it was fine. Although one accidentally blew his whistle cause he was laughing so hard. The refs really helped and quit doing that after a couple of games.
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Nov 12, 2012 11:10:38 GMT -6
Yeah, I guess I should clarify. I will explain the rules if asked, or if it is obvious that they do not understand a call (not that I understand my own calls). As a ref, you should be able to keep a level head and explain things to players when they question your call. I just see that as good communication.
But, telling a goalie not to pick up a ball that was played back by a teammate is coaching. And, that is not something a ref should be doing during the game.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Nov 12, 2012 13:28:11 GMT -6
I'm sure I've done things at games that refs don't like. I've done things I don't like. If I could go back my daughters first year of competitive soccer, I would have duct taped my own mouth shut.
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Nov 12, 2012 14:17:18 GMT -6
I know what you mean. I have been to a few Mardi Gras parades where I did things that I didn't like (the next morning).
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Post by barnacle13 on Nov 12, 2012 22:02:26 GMT -6
I'm OK with the ref explaining a call to the players, as long as they know the Laws of the Game, but telling a player what to do while the ball is in play isn't right. Blow the whistle after the infraction and then explain what they did wrong or leave it to the coach to explain. That way you aren't effecting a potential outcome of the game (i.e. taking away an indirect free kick from 8 yards out).
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