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Post by laffysoccermom on Mar 2, 2013 20:32:24 GMT -6
Is there a rule when playing advantage after a foul as to how long you let play continue? For example, foul happens but team keeps advantage but loses it shortly after. At what point is it too late to go back? I know they will give a few seconds but was wondering if there was an actual rule as to how long?
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Post by happyjack on Mar 2, 2013 20:57:22 GMT -6
Is there a rule when playing advantage after a foul as to how long you let play continue? For example, foul happens but team keeps advantage but loses it shortly after. At what point is it too late to go back? I know they will give a few seconds but was wondering if there was an actual rule as to how long? 2-3 seconds or until people complain on this board, whichever is longer...
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Post by laffysoccermom on Mar 2, 2013 21:03:00 GMT -6
No complaints- just curious. Was trying to explain to another parent and they asked and I realized I didn't know.
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Post by pOkLE on Mar 3, 2013 7:01:37 GMT -6
From the USSF publication “Advice to Referees on the Laws of the Game” (2009/2010): One way to determine when to invoke the advantage is to apply the Four Ps: Possession, Potential, Personnel, and Proximity. Possession means active and credible control by the player who was fouled or a teammate. Potential means the likelihood of continuing an immediate and dangerous attack on the opponents’ goal. Potential is evaluated by judging the Personnel involved (the number and skills of the attackers relative to the number and skills of the defenders within 2-3 seconds of the offense) and Proximity (the distance to the opponents’ goal; the less the distance, the greater the potential). There's also a fair amount of info here regarding "advantage" and different scenarios: www.askasoccerreferee.com/?cat=38
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Post by time2retire on Mar 5, 2013 13:52:48 GMT -6
While we're on subject, "advantage" is often mistakenly used to define a number of other things. No-foul, the ball in play near the touchline...I can name a few, but this is a pet peeve of mine...fellow mentors, please pay attention to the over-use of "advantage" beyond its intended purpose. Thanks.
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Post by cuttysark on Apr 8, 2013 15:21:59 GMT -6
I have a question about advantage. One of my players was attacking in final third and was tackled from behind without getting the ball. The center put both arms forward and said "play on" at which time we didn't have an advantage. In watching games some refs will make a safe sign as to not make a call. Question - Is there a sign that shows advantage is being called??( I thought outstretched arms saying play on meant we were playing advantage)
The center did stop play to come and talk to me. I thought he motioned for advantage and then didn't give it. Any help would be appreciated.
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Post by happyjack on Apr 8, 2013 21:03:32 GMT -6
the signal is raising arms from the waist while saying "play on" or "advantage". Only that official can answer for why he signaled that. Many officials signal for advantage incorrectly when they feel no foul has occurred, instead of doing nothing and not signaling, which would be proper.
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Post by cuttysark on Apr 8, 2013 21:14:11 GMT -6
Thank you for the info Happyjack. Although I never played this beautiful game I have watched COUNTLESS hours of matches around the world. The advantage being played seems to me is universal. The ref makes it clear he is playing the advantage!! Again thank you for your help.
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Post by futbolislife on Apr 9, 2013 7:28:16 GMT -6
As stated earlier, often referees will MISTAKENLY say PLay ON to indicate they have no foul. This is wrong. There is no approved signal for "no foul".
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 9, 2013 7:32:57 GMT -6
I always thought play on meant that there was a foul but I'm not going to call it.
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Apr 9, 2013 8:07:28 GMT -6
As stated earlier, often referees will MISTAKENLY say PLay ON to indicate they have no foul. This is wrong. There is no approved signal for "no foul". Understood. But, don't you think that the ref should sometimes indicate to the players that there was no foul on the play, just as good communication? For example, the defender tackles the ball, the attacker goes down and players look your way for a call. But, you thought it was a clean tackle. So, you communicate that to the players by saying "no foul" or "clean tackle"? That way, you let them know that you are paying attention and you saw the play, but you didn't think there was a foul (as opposed to them thinking that you have no idea what is going on because you are standing there mute). You shouldn't say "play on" because that means there was a foul that you are not calling due to advantage. But, sometimes refs are just trying to communicate. Thoughts?
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 9, 2013 8:22:47 GMT -6
I don't know if that's correct but would certainly be helpful if they would say no foul.
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Post by time2retire on Apr 9, 2013 10:54:56 GMT -6
There are several phrases that could be incorporated into a referee's vocabulary which are used in this event. "No foul" is one. "On the ball", "we're ok", "clean tackle" are others, but absolutely not "play on" or "advantage".
As far as the "safe" signal, we've seen it increasingly used to sell no-calls. Although there isn't an official signal or guidance concerning this, I know that I have used it (especially for gritty situations in the penalty area) when I needed to be instantly decisive and "big" on selling my call.
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Post by time2retire on Apr 9, 2013 11:00:58 GMT -6
Although I disagree with this specific call, the referee sells his decision by 1) being in close proximity 2) being decisive and 3) exhibiting 100% confidence in his call. Everyone immediately knows what his decision is because of the "safe" signal.
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Post by cuttysark on Apr 9, 2013 14:39:14 GMT -6
Thanks for all the insight.
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Post by happyjack on Apr 10, 2013 4:48:16 GMT -6
Isn't the referee already communicating that no foul occurred by not blowing his whistle?
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Post by barnacle13 on Apr 10, 2013 13:18:32 GMT -6
I've had refs say "nothing there" when players get tangled and one is obviously looking for a foul call. Good communication that they saw the play and didn't think a foul was committed. I agree with happyjack though if the whistle doesn't blow it's the same communication (with the exception of possibly the ref not being able to see the play due to something obstructing his view). "Nothing there" does let you know he saw the play and didn't see a foul as opposed to didn't see the play so no whistle. Either way the result is the same.. keep playing til you hear the whistle.
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