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Mar 15, 2013 21:59:05 GMT -6
Post by happyjack on Mar 15, 2013 21:59:05 GMT -6
Upper90, please retread my post in its entirety...before calling someone delusional you should display an ability to read and comprehend simple English...
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Mar 17, 2013 12:29:17 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 12:29:17 GMT -6
I think upper90 is more than qualified to make an informed opinion on the relative quality of officiating in this state.
There are some good ones. No question. It's the middle and bottom that needs to improve.
And I've seen enough games outside the state to know that their is a pantload of improvement that is needed here.
But, like you said, jack the level of officiating is a byproduct of the level of play.
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Post by happyjack on Mar 17, 2013 12:30:33 GMT -6
Hey, I finally figured it out. There are posts about how the quality of play is better in other states, better development at a young age, better identification of quality players, better coaches, better clubs, etc. there are also a bunch of posts how referees in other states are better because the level of play in other states demands higher quality officials. So, I can only conclude that the terrible officials in Louisiana are a byproduct of the terrible players and coaches they are forced to officiate. I believe we'll all have to agree that until the players in Louisiana take the time and effort to be better, we'll just be saddled with officials who are stuck officiating poor players and have no reason to improve their games...
So, please make sure in all future posts to place credit on poor officiating where it belongs - to the players and coaches. Thank you!
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Mar 17, 2013 13:40:02 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 13:40:02 GMT -6
Hey, I finally figured it out. There are posts about how the quality of play is better in other states, better development at a young age, better identification of quality players, better coaches, better clubs, etc. there are also a bunch of posts how referees in other states are better because the level of play in other states demands higher quality officials. So, I can only conclude that the terrible officials in Louisiana are a byproduct of the terrible players and coaches they are forced to officiate. I believe we'll all have to agree that until the players in Louisiana take the time and effort to be better, we'll just be saddled with officials who are stuck officiating poor players and have no reason to improve their games... So, please make sure in all future posts to place credit on poor officiating where it belongs - to the players and coaches. Thank you! Why so defensive? I think you are taking this too personally. Let me share a short story. Last fall, I was at a club tournament in lafayette. Boys U16 to be precise. There was an incident where one of our defenders dispossessed an attacking player. The defender, having just won the ball, dribbled away from pressure and was subsequently brought down by the attacking player...from behind..right in front of both the center and the AR. You could hear the contact from 60 yards away. The attacking player was humiliated (judging from the challenge) and when, the player who had won the ball cleanly had looked up to the center assuming at least a foul...the ref's replay was 'stop your bi%&ing! Our coaches immediately came off the bench and the ref's feeble reply was "my bad"... He neither gave the foul...let alone the justified yellow card. So the guy knew he screwed up...big time. In fact as soon as the final whistle was blown, he hauled butt to his tahoe and took off. And this wasn't his only amateurish mistake....just the most blatant abuse of his authority and ability to act professionally. I personally hope I run into this guy again. So, when I hear refs catering more to their ego than doing their job...yeah I'm going to call them out. Just don't try to sell those of us who aren't 'lawnchair soccer fans' that the level of officiating is so wonderful. Now, before you get back on your soapbox, I go out of my way to thank refs that do a great job. regardless of result. There are bad refs, or badly called games everywhere. Including the highest levels. I understand it is a tough job. But when things like that happen, it's bad for everyone involved. And when money is exchanged sorry, but I expect a decent level of competence.
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Mar 17, 2013 20:43:29 GMT -6
Post by Steven Gerrard on Mar 17, 2013 20:43:29 GMT -6
Of course he is being defensive. He spends a lot of his time working to raise the level of officiating in this state, and people tell him that the refs in Louisiana are lousy. If you spent your time (and a lot of it voluntary I bet) on something and people were critical of it, you would be defensive too. Be a bit forgiving of that defensive attitude. Most have no idea how much of a thick skin you have to have to be a ref. Or, rather someone that continues to ref. I run into a lot of refs who are very confident in what they do, whether or not I think that they actually know what they are doing. But, it is that confidence that allows them to blow off the constant complaints they hear from the coaches and spectators. I have seen a lot of that first hand. Don't get me wrong, I don't like to deal with someone with a big ego either. But, ironically, it is that big ego that keeps a lot of those guys coming out. For good or for bad! LOL.
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Mar 17, 2013 21:22:10 GMT -6
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Post by happyjack on Mar 17, 2013 21:22:10 GMT -6
Hall - clearly you don't know me, so I'll explain that y post was humor...clearly lost on you. I'm not on a soapbox, and as StevieG said, we spend a bunch of time trying to improve officials in this state.
I'll share a true story as well, since you did...tournament a number of years ago, and Louisiana used to have a FIFA referee who was officiating...coach and manager come to protest following the match because "not only did the referee not know the rules, he wasn't even wearing the right badge!"
Again, I'm not selling anything. But I wonder what basis of knowledge people posting about poor officiating are using? Years of playing? Years of coaching? Years of sitting and watching their kids play? The level has improved greatly over the past few years, feedback from coaches at state cups shows that. And we continue to work t get the feedback even better, and delver a better quality of official
Sorry if it isn't happening fast enough for everyone...I urge all those who think it is so bad to contact their local association and take the class and join us...your knowledge and experience would be welcome
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Mar 18, 2013 6:55:35 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2013 6:55:35 GMT -6
Hall - clearly you don't know me, so I'll explain that y post was humor...clearly lost on you. I'm not on a soapbox, and as StevieG said, we spend a bunch of time trying to improve officials in this state. I'll share a true story as well, since you did...tournament a number of years ago, and Louisiana used to have a FIFA referee who was officiating...coach and manager come to protest following the match because "not only did the referee not know the rules, he wasn't even wearing the right badge!" Again, I'm not selling anything. But I wonder what basis of knowledge people posting about poor officiating are using? Years of playing? Years of coaching? Years of sitting and watching their kids play? The level has improved greatly over the past few years, feedback from coaches at state cups shows that. And we continue to work t get the feedback even better, and delver a better quality of official Sorry if it isn't happening fast enough for everyone...I urge all those who think it is so bad to contact their local association and take the class and join us...your knowledge and experience would be welcome Nothing 'lost' with me jack. I know your attempt at what you call humor was sarcasm. You personally insulted upper90 because he has a different view than yours. Now, to clarify YET AGAIN, I am not saying that refs in this state are bad. I just haven't seen a large number of what I would call good ones in this state. I also know it is a tough and largely thankless job. I take all that into consideration. Anyway, the reason i started this thread was to perhaps get some official perspective on what constitutes fouls. And why perhaps a foul to one ref is not to another.
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