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Post by Antimatter on Nov 22, 2014 22:14:19 GMT -6
Why is it most club fixtures require two officials but high school only requires two in many instances. I would rather a single center with no ARs than a double center set up.
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Post by jmlrvp50 on Nov 22, 2014 22:38:59 GMT -6
NO high school varsity game should be played unless their are 3 officials. 2 officials cannot adequately cover the field!!
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Post by Sanofi-Aventis on Nov 23, 2014 0:50:36 GMT -6
The Duel Referee system is used by the schools as a cost cutting measure. Though it is a disservice to the players, the schools are looking at the bottom line. I can assure you the referees aren't the ones pushing this agenda.
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Post by Antimatter on Nov 23, 2014 8:43:26 GMT -6
IF they use two I would rather they make it a single AR and center. Dual Center is worse. One example at a recent game was where one center was the more certain of himself(I will not say better) and kept cheating out of position to try to make every call. Being a center even with two AR's is still the hardest officiating job in sports. Trying to catch everything from any position on the field is impossible. Another scenario is when the two centers have competing ideas about how nuanced they are going to allow the contact to be. That makes it tough for either team to get into rhythm.
I am certainly not a member of the "throwball is the antechrist" club but I do find it a disservice that there are 1A and Div IV American-style football games with as many officials on the field as fans in the stands yet Soccer does not deserve a mandated 3 officials at every game.
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Post by Sanofi-Aventis on Nov 23, 2014 11:38:04 GMT -6
MyArsenal,
Explain how a referee in a Dual is cheating out of position. Where do you think the referees should be? Should both referees stay wide and with the second to last defender? What part of the field is off limits to the referees during a dual?
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Post by Antimatter on Nov 23, 2014 12:07:50 GMT -6
From my understanding when there are two centers they are supposed to be in somewhat similar positions as to where the AR's would be in similar situations(And I know that is not an absolute). There is no area that is meant to be off limits but sometimes one of the center's moves to take a position moreso where a single center would be. Cheating may have been the wrong word but it was meant to convey that one of the officials was trying to act as the lone center and moreso occupying the position where a lone center would occupy.
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Post by Sanofi-Aventis on Nov 23, 2014 12:55:42 GMT -6
So let me get this straight..., you would rather have a single referee with no ARs or a single referee with one AR, but when a referee working the dual system takes the position of a center referee (in your opinion) you complain.
Are you and your spouse the exact same parent? Is one more strict than the other? Is one more willing to bend the rules than the other? Referees are the same way.
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Post by kevin on Nov 23, 2014 14:37:36 GMT -6
The Duel Referee system is used by the schools as a cost cutting measure. Bingo. $140 per game for 3 officials vs. $110 per game for 2 officials. Multiply $30 times the number of HS games in Louisiana and it adds up to a lot of money. Obviously the dual is less than ideal--if they keep themselves properly positioned to call offside, they are usually well away from the action. And if they get out of that position, they're not going to be able to call offside. I saw a varsity tournament game last year where one referee positioned himself near the center circle, then whistled for an offside violation near the top of the 18. He obviously was not in the proper position to make that call. Also, one CR and no ARs is not the answer, I promise. I coached a JV game where that happened and while it wasn't a big deal in a non-competitive match, you wouldn't want your district championship to come down to a match where the CR is guessing at offside from 40 yards away. |
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Post by Antimatter on Nov 23, 2014 16:21:43 GMT -6
I know a lone CR is not the answer. Just me griping absurdly. I do that a lot.
As to cost, when you multiply half of $30 the number of games as there are two teams per game it is $15. Even at 20 games that is $300 per team for a SEASON to make sure the game is properly officiated. More than that is sometimes paid for the police details for a single American style high school game.
As to your example that is similar to what happened in one game I witnessed except the dominant center was making so many calls on the opposite end the other center demurred and stopped making any of the calls waiting for the other center to make the call.
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Post by neutralfan on Nov 23, 2014 16:54:43 GMT -6
Having witnessed some of the officiating at tournaments this weekend you could be better off without any officials and self call it and save the money  |
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Post by uhscubs1 on Nov 24, 2014 9:59:06 GMT -6
Why is it most club fixtures require two officials but high school only requires two in many instances. I would rather a single center with no ARs than a double center set up. Not sure how 1 CR would be better than a double center set up. While not ideal it would give a better chance to get offsides called correctly. |
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Post by time2retire on Nov 24, 2014 12:07:12 GMT -6
Having witnessed some of the officiating at tournaments this weekend you could be better off without any officials and self call it and save the money Idk...I heard some pretty terrible comments from spectators: -You can't give a red card in a preseason tournament -You can only card diving in the box -Throw in: her feet are on the line -2 minutes into the game: she's been fouling ALL GAME. -She just got yellow and you're kicking her out? -My favorite: He smiles too much! |
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Post by laffysoccermom on Nov 24, 2014 22:55:18 GMT -6
Going back to cost issue.... so it's $15 per team per game. Each team has at least 15 players so $1 per player per game. Say 20 games..... $20 a season per player. I know most parents have to pay some sort of fee for their child to play. I know one public high school here charges $300. Charge $20 than currently charging.
Issue solved.... now if we can just stop those refs from smiling...
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Post by happyjack on Nov 26, 2014 6:17:39 GMT -6
Also remember that there are a limited number of officials and some teams play at 3:30 when most officials are at work. I've yet to meet a referee that says "I sure love me some duals". At the same time, I've worked duals with officials that have been doing this a long time, and while none like the dual system, 2 experienced ones can do a great job.
But in the end, the school,often requests it...some in the NO area have told the assignor "only 2 officials for every game, even district".
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Post by laffysoccermom on Nov 26, 2014 6:28:01 GMT -6
I didn't realize schools played that early. Our earliest during the week is 5:30.
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Post by Sanofi-Aventis on Nov 26, 2014 8:32:10 GMT -6
The schools that play early are the ones that do not have lighted fields. It seems odd that in 2014 there would not be a lighted field, but that is the reality.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Nov 26, 2014 16:32:52 GMT -6
We play on our football field with the lights,
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