nolapelota
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Post by nolapelota on Jan 30, 2015 9:56:04 GMT -6
For playoffs, dropping a top 10 team to #16-20 rank has a big impact on the rest of the playoff bracket. It affects 1st round opponent. It potential affects second round home team. Furthermore, some quarile suddenly has 3 or 4 top ten teams rather than 2. and some quartile will probably have only 1, thus the entire bracket is imbalanced.
It isn't that huge in the larger scheme. The D-III championship will likely be contested by only four teams ... but because of this the playoff schedule and brackets will be different.
Yes, Menard should forfeit those games... but any computer system will then think they lost them, and are a weak team. Only a coach seed or poll based system will still see them as a top-10 team.
This has happened before in football, with much discussion and angst. And I'll add, it is ultimately a coach's responsibility to be aware of eligibility. If some admin told the coach the lad was eligible when he wasn't, that is one thing. If nothing was said, no one checked, or the coach depended on an answer from the boy himself, that is another.
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Post by chelsea007 on Jan 30, 2015 14:34:05 GMT -6
Again, what is done is done. In the past, most teams under these circumstances only affected district finish. Now, with PR, a whole different set of circumstances arise with a ripple effect across multiple divisions. The question should be...what can be done to prevent this from happening in the future or what consequences would be appropriate. I say go European and, just as teams there are docked points in their respective league table, schools here should be docked points in the PR. It seems grossly unfair that the student atletes at Menard will be in the playoffs whereas other schools that were negatively affected are now out. I say, take away power points from the offending school. It won't help with the ripple effect, but it will justly punish the offending school. I say make it a set amount per match. Taking away 20 points per forfeit seems appropriate. Under these circumstances, Menard may have still made the playoffs. However, it would have been more appropriate than what we have now. As I understand it, they will get half of their opponents win total for forfeits. Something needs to be addressed with this system imo.
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Post by rlb2024 on Jan 30, 2015 15:18:22 GMT -6
Again, what is done is done. In the past, most teams under these circumstances only affected district finish. Now, with PR, a whole different set of circumstances arise with a ripple effect across multiple divisions. The question should be.what can be done to prevent this from happening in the future or what consequences would be appropriate. I say go European and, just as teams there are docked points in their respective league table, schools here should be docked points in the PR. It seems grossly unfair that the student atletes at Menard will be in the playoffs whereas other schools that were negatively affected are now out. I say, take away power points from the offending school. It won't help with the ripple effect, but it will justly punish the offending school. I say make it a set amount per match. Taking away 20 points per forfeit seems appropriate. Under these circumstances, Menard may have still made the playoffs. However, it would have been more appropriate than what we have now. As I understand it, they will get half of their opponents win total for forfeits. Something needs to be addressed with this system imo. I agree that the current setup needs tweaking. Here's another idea -- if a team has to forfeit a game for using an ineligible player, that team is ineligible for the playoffs in that sport for that season. And if the violation occurs during the playoffs, the team is ineligible for post-season play in that sport the following season. Yes, it can be considered harsh -- but it needs to be. The results (and associated PR points) for the unaffected teams stand as though there were no forfeit. And this way the ripple effect is eliminated.
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Post by chelsea007 on Jan 30, 2015 15:32:26 GMT -6
As someone who had a team.removed from the playoffs for a technicality. I don't want to see that harsh of a punishment unless it was a severe infraction that was simply dishonest or a second offense with a set timeframe. The best interest if the students needs.to come into play imo, even at the offending school.
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