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Post by alto1smom on Feb 8, 2015 8:13:21 GMT -6
Either you don't get around or your comprehension of the message is skewed. Bring your sweet little girls to the areas where pride and reputation is all that kids have and you will thank me for warning you. Do you want to schedule a game or two? I know a few coaches that will educate you on the ways of the real world in all cultures.
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Post by Antimatter on Feb 8, 2015 8:24:27 GMT -6
That is not only an insulting assumption it is wrong particularly in the beautiful game. In my years observing soccer in Louisiana the schools I have seen most willing to take someone out when on the wrong end of a score tended to be non-public with some rural. One team in particular last year was a Catholic school from the outer suburbs of a city. We had two players leave the game injured with one out for half the season. Both on challenges that would have been a red card in any league or association. Some sport's kids have been raised by win-win-win parents that leave their kids with a skewed sense of sportsmanship. They are the ones in club and school I have seen make dangerous moves on the pitch when things go the wrong way. Spoiled rotten creates bad sports on the pitch more than being from the inner-city.
Conversely, we played a inner city school this year that was in the first year of their program and was on the wrong end of several lopsided scores. The girls on the team were more interested in bettering their game instead of worrying about the score. They THANKED US for playing them after we beat them by a lopsided score. I imagine a lot of that comes from coaching.
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Post by oldhattrick3 on Feb 8, 2015 9:51:52 GMT -6
OK I have to open myself to possible scrutiny, but have to make some comments
I read post talking about several different aspects of this game and having been involved in it for so many years I feel I can state these points:
On the topic of mercy rules there is no consensus agreement that will be reached just as we see on the post. Just as in everything the opinions in the heat of the moment will differ like the post do. For me bottom line is it has no different impact on soccer than any other sport. I completely don't get the comparison to "everyone getting trophies" with a mercy rule. The intent is not for everyone to leave "happy" but rather to end something prior to it getting "unreasonable". Never saw a softball team or baseball team leaving a mercy rule ended game feeling "good" about it. I've seen a lot of them leaving not wanting to ever have it happen to them again, and therefore work harder to be competitive. For me, a mercy rule does not have to be a bad thing.
I am still puzzled why "soccer" has to be so different in game play. Why can't soccer do what every other sport does in district contest and use what's available to decide a contest winner? Baseball/softball goes to extra innings (and in some areas ultimately to international tie breakers) . Football/basketball goes to overtime (s) to record a winner. Volleyball extra sets. Golf playoff hole. Yet soccer, can't use its "overtime" formats to come to a winner?!? Complaining about a mercy rule that's intent is to prevent superior teams from running up the score on inferior teams, however we don't use a part of the game to decide a winner in district and just leave it a tie! Where is all the competitive energy on this topic? I think it is ridiculous to have a part of the game that is in the rules not be used in one situation when it clearly should be used to determine district.
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Post by soccerdad23 on Feb 8, 2015 12:42:46 GMT -6
Somewhere along the thread we took a right turn into... THE TWILIGHT ZONE!
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Post by kevin on Feb 8, 2015 20:16:58 GMT -6
24 teams in the playoffs in each division will help. I realize the same number of total teams will be in, but a 10 vs. 23 match-up might be competitive, while the 1vs32 games etc. were pretty much guaranteed blowouts.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 8, 2015 22:42:02 GMT -6
In my 20 plus years of following high school soccer in Louisiana I have seen 3 team fights/brawls break out. Each of those fights occurred when one team was down by 8 or more goals.
I also agree with the person who said soccer should go with other sports and have a winner decided in all district games. I can understand that some want to follow international soccer, but in America we usually prefer to see a winner. There's also nearly 50 years of Louisiana high school soccer tradition that dictates that district games don't end in ties. I hope we go back to our old ways and get rid of district ties.
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Post by checkmate on Feb 10, 2015 1:14:02 GMT -6
Many well thought replies about this mercy rule, both for and against. The ones I don't care for are the people crying about having to be out in the cold for an extra forty minutes! Come on people, really? Is it that horrible to sit and watch your children playing. You have blankets and heaters and thermals and gloves and scarfs and hats and ski masks and hot chocolate. You could always go sit in the car for the second forty with the heater on. Is it uncomfortable? Yes! Is it unbearable? NO! These are your children! What will be unbearable is traveling 2 hours to a game only to see it end at halftime. Will I still do it? Yes, because it's my child out there, giving it his/her all on the field and I will support them, freezing cold or hot as hell, (which can go either way in Louisiana). They practice to play 80, let them play 80.
Just my opinion.
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Post by sokerfan on Feb 10, 2015 8:54:17 GMT -6
24 teams in the playoffs in each division will help. I realize the same number of total teams will be in, but a 10 vs. 23 match-up might be competitive, while the 1vs32 games etc. were pretty much guaranteed blowouts.
I agree that 24 teams in the playoffs will help, but only if the TOP 24 are in. Get rid of the automatic bid for the district champions, otherwise #32 will be #24 and you will still have the same teams playing each other and the same blowout.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Feb 10, 2015 11:15:29 GMT -6
24 teams in the playoffs in each division will help. I realize the same number of total teams will be in, but a 10 vs. 23 match-up might be competitive, while the 1vs32 games etc. were pretty much guaranteed blowouts.
I agree that 24 teams in the playoffs will help, but only if the TOP 24 are in. Get rid of the automatic bid for the district champions, otherwise #32 will be #24 and you will still have the same teams playing each other and the same blowout.
I believe the Top 8 will have first round byes so that will help with blowouts some. Not that I disagree with removing the automatic bid for District Champs. Seems if you are going to the PR then go all the way.
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Post by pompey on Feb 10, 2015 11:59:49 GMT -6
Doesn't Volleyball have byes and a 24 team bracket?
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Post by kevin on Feb 10, 2015 12:19:51 GMT -6
Doesn't Volleyball have byes and a 24 team bracket? Yes. I looked through the 2014 brackets and didn't see a ton of games that looked like horrible mismatches. Only exception was a 10th-seeded Sacred Heart who made it to the semis (and thus probably deserved a top 8 seed anyway). They demolished their first-round opponent. But once you reach a basic level of competence in volleyball (which virtually every playoff team is at), it's unlikely that you'd be completely blown out. If you can receive serve and get the ball back over the net, you'll get a few points per set, even against the best teams in the state. But in soccer, you could be legitimately one of the top 30 teams in your division and still get completely trounced by a top 5 team.
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