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Post by neverplayed on Feb 27, 2015 10:58:26 GMT -6
Great match. I would have loved to see this game played with Mason on the field. Also congrats to 4 NLC students for being recognized as outstanding student athletes maintaining 4.0 GPA's throughout their highschool carers! 8 players honored in Division I11 and 4 from one school. Great job
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Post by odds on Feb 27, 2015 11:06:10 GMT -6
what's the attendance tonight? anyone have pictures of the crowd? Scott. They didn't tell fans to stay on one side so the crowds are split up instead of together. So it's hard to tell as most off St Louis is on normal,side fans are on while,Northlake fans are on opposite side behind benches. I hope they fix this tomorrow. I also,hope we fix this as a regular season thing as more and more since the NFHS rule disappeared sometime a few years back about being on one side for high school fans, there are some places where student sections sit behind opponents benches and others across and not all,on one side. Personally. All,fans should be opposite side from benches with fans sitting on the side of midfield in the opposite side bleachers that their team bench is on. Like in club but in a stadium. I think you're talking about the girls game that was played before. Pope and Uhigh fans were not on the same side.
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Post by WINNER on Feb 27, 2015 12:09:22 GMT -6
Anybody has a video of the shootout?
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Post by p_malinich on Feb 27, 2015 12:55:39 GMT -6
This game has taken over #1 in page views for a DIII matchup (over 14,000 at this point). Scratch that. Now almost at 19,000 views.
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Post by aderitter on Feb 27, 2015 16:23:11 GMT -6
We will be tweeting and answering your questions at #mnfutbol and #snsoccer.
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Post by warrior16 on Feb 28, 2015 0:50:43 GMT -6
Highlights of the match:
The foul that drew the Northlake PK occurred off-camera around 1:28.
St. Louis players celebrate:
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Post by Bish on Feb 28, 2015 0:56:09 GMT -6
Just watched the video of the call for the pk for nlc. What a questionable call by the ref. First, the NLC player passes the ball off and runs into the defender and falls down. Second, this all happens after the pass and had no effect on the pass itself, which was deflected away by other defenders. How as a ref in a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP game can you call a call resulting in the other team's goal over a non-foul like that? For those that weren't at the game, see for yourself. m.kplctv.com/kplctv/db/348492/content/CRRSdCTZ/gallery
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Post by warrior16 on Feb 28, 2015 1:03:00 GMT -6
Holy crap. Just watched the video of the call for the pk for nlc. What an awful call by the ref. First, the NLC player passes the ball off and runs into the defender and falls down. Second, this all happens after the pass and had no effect on the pass itself, which was deflected away by other defenders. How as a ref in a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP game can you gift the other team a goal over a non-foul like that? That's just terrible. For those that weren't at the game, see for yourself. m.kplctv.com/kplctv/db/348492/content/CRRSdCTZ/galleryI agree. That's a pretty harsh call to make, much less in a state title game. Thankfully it didn't affect the outcome.
I can understand why Coach O was livid about the decision.
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Post by p_malinich on Feb 28, 2015 9:41:21 GMT -6
This game has taken over #1 in page views for a DIII matchup (over 14,000 at this point). Scratch that. Now almost at 19,000 views. And now greater than 20,000 views!
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Post by happyjack on Feb 28, 2015 10:49:51 GMT -6
Just watched the video of the call for the pk for nlc. What a questionable call by the ref. First, the NLC player passes the ball off and runs into the defender and falls down. Second, this all happens after the pass and had no effect on the pass itself, which was deflected away by other defenders. How as a ref in a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP game can you call a call resulting in the other team's goal over a non-foul like that? For those that weren't at the game, see for yourself. m.kplctv.com/kplctv/db/348492/content/CRRSdCTZ/galleryTo use your analogy, since it had no impact...if the player punched him would it be okay, since no impact on the pass...or pulled his jersey? Or wrapped him in a bear hug? Having no impact on the pass is not a deciding factor, referee simply needs to see if a foul was careless, reckless, or having excessive force in determine to call. Intent doesn't factor in, neither does amount of impact.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 28, 2015 11:29:06 GMT -6
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Post by Bish on Feb 28, 2015 11:58:41 GMT -6
Just watched the video of the call for the pk for nlc. What a questionable call by the ref. First, the NLC player passes the ball off and runs into the defender and falls down. Second, this all happens after the pass and had no effect on the pass itself, which was deflected away by other defenders. How as a ref in a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP game can you call a call resulting in the other team's goal over a non-foul like that? For those that weren't at the game, see for yourself. m.kplctv.com/kplctv/db/348492/content/CRRSdCTZ/galleryTo use your analogy, since it had no impact.if the player punched him would it be okay, since no impact on the pass.or pulled his jersey? Or wrapped him in a bear hug? Having no impact on the pass is not a deciding factor, referee simply needs to see if a foul was careless, reckless, or having excessive force in determine to call. Intent doesn't factor in, neither does amount of impact. I'm glad you brought that up, even though it wasn't a foul. Intent really had nothing to do with what I was saying. Referees don't often call small or questionable fouls in the box that have no effect on the action, and rightfully so. It is careless to grant a team a penalty if you aren't 100% sure that a foul occurred. Someone punching or bear hugging an opponent is obviously more serious and not questionable at all.
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Post by happyjack on Feb 28, 2015 15:00:27 GMT -6
To use your analogy, since it had no impact.if the player punched him would it be okay, since no impact on the pass.or pulled his jersey? Or wrapped him in a bear hug? Having no impact on the pass is not a deciding factor, referee simply needs to see if a foul was careless, reckless, or having excessive force in determine to call. Intent doesn't factor in, neither does amount of impact. I'm glad you brought that up, even though it wasn't a foul. Intent really had nothing to do with what I was saying. Referees don't often call small or questionable fouls in the box that have no effect on the action, and rightfully so. It is careless to grant a team a penalty if you aren't 100% sure that a foul occurred. Someone punching or bear hugging an opponent is obviously more serious and not questionable at all. So the referee wasn't 100% sure it was a foul and called it anyway? I wonder how you know that?
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Post by Bish on Feb 28, 2015 16:26:07 GMT -6
I don't know that. I do know that if he felt 100% sure that it was a foul, then he clearly isn't fit to be a ref that should be officiating a game at this level. Like I said before - this instance was clearly at best a questionable call. That combined with the fact that what happened had no effect on the play makes this a no brainier to not blow the whistle.
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Post by time2retire on Feb 28, 2015 17:16:41 GMT -6
I don't know that. I do know that if he felt 100% sure that it was a foul, then he clearly isn't fit to be a ref that should be officiating a game at this level. Like I said before - this instance was clearly at best a questionable call. That combined with the fact that what happened had no effect on the play makes this a no brainier to not blow the whistle. You're only strengthening the counterargument. I gave you my thoughts earlier in the thread. Proximity to the play is not taken into account when penalizing direct free kick offenses. What exactly was called, idk. I can easily find out. But I can tell you that between that referee and that AR, I trust their judgment. They came together and confirmed the call, and had there been any doubt, either would have spoken up.
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Post by Bish on Feb 28, 2015 17:32:55 GMT -6
I don't know that. I do know that if he felt 100% sure that it was a foul, then he clearly isn't fit to be a ref that should be officiating a game at this level. Like I said before - this instance was clearly at best a questionable call. That combined with the fact that what happened had no effect on the play makes this a no brainier to not blow the whistle. You're only strengthening the counterargument. I gave you my thoughts earlier in the thread. Proximity to the play is not taken into account when penalizing direct free kick offenses. What exactly was called, idk. I can easily find out. But I can tell you that between that referee and that AR, I trust their judgment. They came together and confirmed the call, and had there been any doubt, either would have spoken up. If you can honestly say that the two refs involved are competent after watching that video, then i don't have an interest in discussing anything further. I'm talking about the video I posted which clearly shows what happened. I see the point you are making and I don't disagree. I'm sure they both thought it was a foul. I'm questioning their judgment because it wasn't clearly a foul at all. You also have to remember that referees aren't robots and are given discretion to make judgment calls.
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Post by time2retire on Feb 28, 2015 18:02:56 GMT -6
A trip happens 30 yards behind play...foul or not?
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Post by Bish on Feb 28, 2015 19:28:48 GMT -6
A trip happens 30 yards behind play.foul or not? I don't think you get my point. All I'm saying is that referees use a lot more discretion in the box than outside the box. Proximity has nothing to do with a foul being a foul. I only pointed it out because it makes the call look even worse because it wasn't a clear foul. My point is that refs shouldn't be calling questionable fouls in a he box. Even more so if it also away from the play.
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Post by time2retire on Feb 28, 2015 19:34:23 GMT -6
So is a "questionable foul" a foul nonetheless? Atfq princess.
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Post by Bish on Feb 28, 2015 19:41:27 GMT -6
So is a "questionable foul" a foul nonetheless? Atfq princess. Chill out bro. Your question can't be answered, because obviously if something is questionable, it can't also be certain. And I know some of you are thinking "well the refs must have been certain that it was a foul." They may have been. To that I say that they had a major lapse in judgment or just don't understand the rules. On the other hand they may not have been certain and we're tired of getting shouted at all game from STL's coach and wanted to stick it to him. We may never know the answer to this
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