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Post by realitycheck on Feb 26, 2015 10:15:30 GMT -6
If another lusher pops up you may see a dip in quality in those schools If "ifs" and "Buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry christmas…..
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Post by loJic on Feb 26, 2015 10:27:47 GMT -6
If another lusher pops up you may see a dip in quality in those schools If "ifs" and "Buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry christmas….. Shouldn't you be out practicing bombs for the next time y'all meet pOkLE and his crew?
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Post by mswatd on Feb 26, 2015 10:30:35 GMT -6
There are scholarships and funding available for these schools provided by Alum and wealthy supporters. This might help to tip the scales in the decision process. There are no scholarships at Jesuit, not even for academics. There is only work-study financial aid for students' whose families qualify. [br My apologies. "Scholarship" was the wrong word. I believe financial assistance and opportunities is a better way to say it.
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 26, 2015 12:07:09 GMT -6
If "ifs" and "Buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry christmas….. Shouldn't you be out practicing bombs for the next time y'all meet pOkLE and his crew? Na…just wondering how some view this whole thing…..BOmbs from 30 come naturally..cant teach that…but anyway, to touch on a few post...Nola has the highest % of students in private education in the Country. The Public v Private debate is not appropriate in nola imo for a number of reasons that should prob be on some political website so I will save the time. And the recent surge of charter schools has dented the strong hold on the "private" strong hold in the city. And kids at Lusher, soccer kids, could do the "private" thing if no other option was available. Its an education thing first. Jesuit's school is about the best in the city and state. kids playing soccer for the most part are middle to upper class and don't need soccer to "get out so school is first Long history and all the rest that many have mentioned. And one of the major factors for that "pipeline" that you all talk about is this tradition. If you are a Jesuit family, thats where the boys are going, from birth. There isn't a discussion. Its not about districts and where you live. Thats in the details. I had a friend, a Jesuit grad, who had a boy. Was contacted in the first 6 months. "Congrats and looking forward to meeting the little guy" Its par the course….The other giants don't have that deep tradition that is woven so deeply into the fabric our the city. SO theres that... Soccer…they started in the 90's building the program…The recent rule from the state that limits a HS school coaching more than 6 of his players in club is a relatively new rule. Around 98' or 99', there was a club starting in Lakeview which was headed by the Jesuit coach. The "boys soccer" culture started migrating there if you wanted a "look" for high school. With the new rules, this obviously hasn't happened but for a while, it did and it had an impact on the soccer scene. Flash forward to present day and their "soccer tradition" speaks for themselves. Now, its a top destination.. soccer wise…. As for this past weekend. I think that acadiana had 2 Elite players…Jesuit has 1 elite player but the supporting cast of very good club players out ranks Acadiana's club kids. 2 of Jesuits goals were scored by a Freshman. That says something about the program. I think that the wind was a massive issue along with the small field made for a tail of two halves. First half, Acadiana with the wind, looks great…Second half, against the wind, and its meltdown city. Jesuit did nothing special but put the ball over and over into the box. Pressure pressure pressure. I think Acadiana taking the stud and putting him in the back was a "no-no" but thats my tactical opinion. keep the kid who is dangerous up top to stretch them. And there is the difference in the programs around the state and the Jays. Most have to shuffle studs around for security and Jesuit doesn't have to. Actually bringing on a freshman deference maker. This is not limited to HS soccer. The club scene is similar with nola and Laffy. Normally, Laffy Club teams are stronger until around 14/15 and then they thin out and/or don't have the numbers or coaches. I think since private/catholic school isn't the same in Laffy then there is a thinning in HS soccer too, living in school districts. And unfortunately for Logic, based on the current American model, 90% of club soccer is $ to play. Thats our system and we have beaten it to death. I do agree with a poster who says that there are scholarships available because most clubs can make exceptions for hardships and such, similar to universities. Presently, the top U14 crop from the Fire club has about 80% in the Jesuit 8th grade. Reload.. Its just how it is…Put the above factors into play factors greatly into games like Saturday for sure but I think that overall, the bar is higher on Banks and Carrollton. ..just my humbled opinion…..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 15:48:58 GMT -6
realitycheck get it right.
With all that being said, it is important to keep things in perspective.
This is HIGH SCHOOL soccer!
You could take a top level U16 club team (sophomores in school mostly) from outside La and would probably beat Jesuit and St. Paul's. To think otherwise is so naïve that it's laughable.
Anytime someone brings up national rankings it skews reality even further. (If that's even possible.) There are only 8 states in the country that play hs soccer in the winter. California being one of them. Enough said.
Argue all you want, but with truly high level club soccer the ball moves faster, the players are better, better control and more tactical intelligence is required. I'm well aware of the "premier" teams/players that dot the two teams' rosters. Not taking anything away from them.
But there's an entire pyaramid of levels higher than any La hs team out there.
It's my personal opinion (as well as a lot of college and club coaches) that hs soccer does more harm than good ie...creates bad habits. At least for the top players.
Frankly, given the money and the pipeline of club players, it would be a gross underachievement if it wasn't a Jesuit/St. Paul's final EVERY year in D1.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 26, 2015 16:22:29 GMT -6
I still don't get this pipeline argument. How different is that pipeline at Brother Martin, Catholic BR, Acadiana, or Lafayette?
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 26, 2015 16:34:58 GMT -6
Lafayette area- club players are split. It seems like most of the ones that go to public school go to Acadiana or Lafayette but then you have Teurlings, STM, and ESA to name a few of the privates. Also not all the Lafayette club players are from Lafayette. You have St Landry Parish who may go to Beau Chene or Westminster. You have some from New Iberia alot of which go to Catholic High and then there are St. Martin Parish and Vermilion thrown in. Acadiana and Lafayette can't pull these out of parish players.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 26, 2015 16:50:54 GMT -6
Same can be said for New Orleans split btw Jesuit brother martin, Franklin, Newman, grace king, EJ and to a lesser extent st martins country day rummel holy cross etc
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Post by tikitaka on Feb 28, 2015 0:48:23 GMT -6
My apologies. Maybe my choice of words were off target Regarding the parenting pertaining to the Grace Kings kidS. I didn't point out all the factors. Yes I do know most of the parents of these kids. I stand corrected. what I meant in regards to parenting is the financial support these parents can provide. Heck a single mom does her best to rear her child to the best of her ability. But unfortunately the means to send them to a private school is beyond their means. I know for a fact if these parents had the financial means to send their kids to a jesuit Brother Martin etc.. they would. As for Hubie yes he is a vital part but to say that he has a part on molding these kids is an Overstatement. These young men have had the influence of their parents family church community way before they reach him. That's credit to their parents. [br First of all, you do not know most of kings parents. You probably know only one. And coming from you a hispanic father that send your kid to Bro martin and rummel,yes i find your comment disrespectful. Year by year Grace King is getting better. They can compete with any team, and their technical level is one of the best ive seen, comparing to dominant teams. What hurts King is the overall height of their players. They are small and young. But im pretty sure next year they will be good, i believe they are lossing only one player. They only have two players that plays club. In the past 6 years they have always fielded a good team. Every year one or two players go to play colege. I dont think there is something wrong with that program. They are good kids. They fund enough money and try to attend on all 9th, jv and varsity tournaments that they can attend. Every year they use a fresh new uniform. I know parents dont support or attend to games, thats mostly because they need work. But Coach Raul and coach Harrison work hard to keep that program running smooth and to get those kids motivated. Next year we expect a well seasoned team, mostly seniors, whow knows it could be their year.
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Post by blueagle on Feb 28, 2015 10:50:36 GMT -6
My apologies. Maybe my choice of words were off target Regarding the parenting pertaining to the Grace Kings kidS. I didn't point out all the factors. Yes I do know most of the parents of these kids. I stand corrected. what I meant in regards to parenting is the financial support these parents can provide. Heck a single mom does her best to rear her child to the best of her ability. But unfortunately the means to send them to a private school is beyond their means. I know for a fact if these parents had the financial means to send their kids to a jesuit Brother Martin etc.. they would. As for Hubie yes he is a vital part but to say that he has a part on molding these kids is an Overstatement. These young men have had the influence of their parents family church community way before they reach him. That's credit to their parents. [br First of all, you do not know most of kings parents. You probably know only one. And coming from you a hispanic father that send your kid to Bro martin and rummel,yes i find your comment disrespectful. Year by year Grace King is getting better. They can compete with any team, and their technical level is one of the best ive seen, comparing to dominant teams. What hurts King is the overall height of their players. They are small and young. But im pretty sure next year they will be good, i believe they are lossing only one player. They only have two players that plays club. In the past 6 years they have always fielded a good team. Every year one or two players go to play colege. I dont think there is something wrong with that program. They are good kids. They fund enough money and try to attend on all 9th, jv and varsity tournaments that they can attend. Every year they use a fresh new uniform. I know parents dont support or attend to games, thats mostly because they need work. But Coach Raul and coach Harrison work hard to keep that program running smooth and to get those kids motivated. Next year we expect a well seasoned team, mostly seniors, whow knows it could be their year. If I have offended any parent from Grace King I apologize. Never was my intention. But I think everyone is misinterpreting the context of my comment. my point is still the following. It's all about financial means. You just proved it yourself in your comment about the parent having to work. Also you say only 2 players play Club. Why do you think it's like that? The financial differences. That's facts. It costs over $3000 a year and that's the low end to have your son play club. I know for a fact Grace King has the better raw natural talent then probably the entire state..but I'll reserve my opinion because it seems that we are mile apart on our views. Again I apologize if I offended anyone yet it seems that you know me personally so if ever you want to pick my brain or want to reprimand me I am at your disposal Yet the thread here is " Why do we think Jesuit is a powerhouse" I stated my opinion.. you don't have to agree to it you don't have to like it but in the end that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. That goes for all. Kudos to the Bluejays and their Parents.
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Post by goat on Feb 28, 2015 15:50:06 GMT -6
Beating a dead horse Scott.
Hall you need to go see Jesuit, St Pauls, Acadiana, play. A U-16 team would NOT beat them. You want to know why! All of the Jesuit players play club too, all of St Pauls player play club, and I mentioned Acadiana because I can! So your argument doesn't hold up. ALL OF THEM PLAY CLUB!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 8:35:26 GMT -6
Beating a dead horse Scott. Hall you need to go see Jesuit, St Pauls, Acadiana, play. A U-16 team would NOT beat them. You want to know why! All of the Jesuit players play club too, all of St Pauls player play club, and I mentioned Acadiana because I can! So your argument doesn't hold up. ALL OF THEM PLAY CLUB! I have seen them play goat.
I've also seen some of the top club teams in this region (and even the country) play as well.
And, since I'm not just a November to February soccer fan, my argument does hold up.
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 2, 2015 14:39:17 GMT -6
I still don't get this pipeline argument. How different is that pipeline at Brother Martin, Catholic BR, Acadiana, or Lafayette? Its different because in 90's, it was an understood rule that if you wanted to be seen, soccer wise, then you play for a certain club with the same HS coach. All the boys played together….pipe line….Rules have moved us away from that, which is why the talent in nola has spread to other schools and is why Jesuit isn't the overwhelming power of old, actually a little more spread thin in NOLA similar to Laffy.….As schools go, I know both Jesuit and BM will only consider you if you are there only choice.
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