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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 21, 2016 20:14:09 GMT -6
when it comes to red cards remember local school districts don't understand the ejections in soccer. unless something has changed in the past few years a red card can carry a fine, in school suspension, and a on line anger management class. I think that's a little tough for miss timed slide tackle or a hand ball in the box. school board treats a soccer ejection the same as a football or baseball ejection. I think this is why some refs are reluctant to make the last defender call LHSAA does not do anything about a red card. Not sure if you are saying they do or don't. Schools can decide on their own to discipline a player, but as you said very few school administrators know much about soccer ejections much less the rules.
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Post by rlb2024 on Jan 21, 2016 21:37:38 GMT -6
I consider a yellow card in soccer more like a technical foul in basketball. Two technical fouls and you are ejected in most basketball leagues (not sure if LHSAA or NFHS does something different, but it wouldn't surprise me). The main difference with the two-technical ejection is that a player does not have to sit out the next game as they do in soccer -- well, with the exception of high school.
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Post by happyjack on Jan 23, 2016 9:03:41 GMT -6
Lhasa requires any person shown a red card to complete an online course, they are ineligible to participate in future matches until this is completed. With the online reporting, as soon as the referee submits, emails are sent to both schools, both coaches, the assignor, and Lhsaa.
Now, I would imagine most officials are not aware of what happens when a person is shown a red and what they have to do, and further, they don't care. I've never heard an official say they didn't send off because they don't like paperwork or they think the consequences are to harsh, and I've been doing this a long time.
And school districts have a greater understanding than you give them credit for. While the principals or ADs may vote on further action at the district level, they are not doing so in a vacuum, they have had input from the coaches well before voting. Generally any changes to district rules starts with the coaches requesting and it moving up, not the other way around.
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Post by playwide on Jan 24, 2016 10:29:56 GMT -6
Why would the State require a player who was sent off for last defender OGSO or handball in the box to take an online disciplinary course?
Do HS basketball players have to take an online course when they foul out of a game?
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Post by happyjack on Jan 24, 2016 12:41:22 GMT -6
No idea why LHSAA requires or if it is required for other sports. But any send off in soccer requires it. I believe it falls under the heading of sportsmanship. I stopped trying to figure out the wisdom or lack thereof from an LHSAA soccer perspective when they agreed to hold hearings about ineligible players and saying the school would have a fair hearing but then they published playoff teams prior to the hearing. Or when they used video evidence to suspend referees for an off the ball foul but failed to discipline players or teams for the same foul, even though their bylaws say video evidence is not allowed. which tells me fair and balanced is not in their repertoire. Nor is common sense.
I can can think of a half dozen other instances that fall along this line, but the bottom line is they do what they choose. With no consistency.
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Post by kevin on Jan 24, 2016 14:28:30 GMT -6
The lhsaa handbook says that any player ejected for "unsportsmanlike conduct" has to do the online sportsmanship course. I could be wrong, but I thought in the past that not all red cards were automatically considered "unsportsmanlike." Is that a change for this year? Or is someone deciding the difference between a sportsmanlike or an unsportsmanlike red card?
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Post by time2retire on Jan 24, 2016 17:20:25 GMT -6
The lhsaa handbook says that any player ejected for "unsportsmanlike conduct" has to do the online sportsmanship course. I could be wrong, but I thought in the past that not all red cards were automatically considered "unsportsmanlike." Is that a change for this year? Or is someone deciding the difference between a sportsmanlike or an unsportsmanlike red card? We have four options for reporting - unsportsmanlike, coach unsportsmanlike, fighting, and entering the field to participate in a fight. Sort of easy to eliminate 3 of the 4. I did have a discussion with Doug Hamilton about this in December to see if we could come up with a reasonable solution to this problem.
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Post by cardsinhand on Jan 24, 2016 21:51:57 GMT -6
No idea why LHSAA requires or if it is required for other sports. But any send off in soccer requires it. I believe it falls under the heading of sportsmanship. I stopped trying to figure out the wisdom or lack thereof from an LHSAA soccer perspective when they agreed to hold hearings about ineligible players and saying the school would have a fair hearing but then they published playoff teams prior to the hearing. Or when they used video evidence to suspend referees for an off the ball foul but failed to discipline players or teams for the same foul, even though their bylaws say video evidence is not allowed. which tells me fair and balanced is not in their repertoire. Nor is common sense. I can can think of a half dozen other instances that fall along this line, but the bottom line is they do what they choose. With no consistency. It was not a foul. It was misconduct not seen. Just to clarify.
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Post by happyjack on Jan 25, 2016 13:27:34 GMT -6
Apologies for improper wording, good catch
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