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Post by agsurfer on Mar 22, 2016 21:46:28 GMT -6
Congrats to all the boys who made these lists.
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Post by passion on Mar 23, 2016 6:37:36 GMT -6
I don't mean to be a Debbie downer, but I think it's a little ridiculous that the third leading scorer in Division IV, Bobby Wahl, didn't make the 1st nevermind the 2nd team All-State. If Haynes had played a weak schedule and had not done very much in playoffs I could see the doubt, but Haynes played a good schedule and made it to the quarterfinals, so I don't see why he couldn't make it. Other than that and one more omission, well done by the coaches.
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Post by likeaboss on Mar 23, 2016 8:21:38 GMT -6
Was an All-Freshman Team selected this year?
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Post by pOkLE on Mar 23, 2016 9:25:34 GMT -6
Freshman All-State voting concludes tonight.
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Post by loJic on Mar 23, 2016 12:20:44 GMT -6
I don't mean to be a Debbie downer, but I think it's a little ridiculous that the third leading scorer in Division IV, Bobby Wahl, didn't make the 1st nevermind the 2nd team All-State. If Haynes had played a weak schedule and had not done very much in playoffs I could see the doubt, but Haynes played a good schedule and made it to the quarterfinals, so I don't see why he couldn't make it. Other than that and one more omission, well done by the coaches. Did his coach nominate him or speak to the other coaches in his district/division to vote for him? It's really simple. You want a kid to make All-State, you have to do a little lobbying. Trust me, it goes a long way. |
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Post by chelsea007 on Mar 23, 2016 13:13:58 GMT -6
Congrats to these young men on a well-deserved honor.
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Post by lab626 on Mar 23, 2016 17:54:29 GMT -6
How Michael Burleigh didn't make 1st team in Division IV is mind boggling.
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Post by p_malinich on Mar 23, 2016 19:43:45 GMT -6
How Michael Burleigh didn't make 1st team in Division IV is mind boggling. Did his coach nominate him or speak to the other coaches in his district/division to vote for him? It's really simple. You want a kid to make All-State, you have to do a little lobbying. Trust me, it goes a long way. |
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Post by loJic on Mar 23, 2016 20:39:08 GMT -6
How Michael Burleigh didn't make 1st team in Division IV is mind boggling. Did his coach nominate him or speak to the other coaches in his district/division to vote for him? It's really simple. You want a kid to make All-State, you have to do a little lobbying. Trust me, it goes a long way. It's like I'm talking to walls  |
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Post by passion on Mar 23, 2016 22:03:39 GMT -6
I don't mean to be a Debbie downer, but I think it's a little ridiculous that the third leading scorer in Division IV, Bobby Wahl, didn't make the 1st nevermind the 2nd team All-State. If Haynes had played a weak schedule and had not done very much in playoffs I could see the doubt, but Haynes played a good schedule and made it to the quarterfinals, so I don't see why he couldn't make it. Other than that and one more omission, well done by the coaches. Did his coach nominate him or speak to the other coaches in his district/division to vote for him? It's really simple. You want a kid to make All-State, you have to do a little lobbying. Trust me, it goes a long way. I'm not sure. Knowing the coach, I would assume that he did. I just don't like the fact that sometimes it comes down to lobbying. I don't think Bobby needed much lobbying for considering he was the 3rd leading scorer in the entire division. I'm not trying to take away from the players that are on the list, because I've played against many and I know they are quality players. I just see Bobby's exclusion as a glaring hole in the All-State team. |
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Post by passion on Mar 23, 2016 22:04:37 GMT -6
It's like I'm talking to walls you're not talking to walls I promise, I'm not a big Mourinho fan. |
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Post by playwide on Mar 24, 2016 9:36:01 GMT -6
There should be a process that is not totally reliant on your own Coach. Every year we highlight absurd omissions for many reasons on this board....every year.
Can't we just admit that this system has flaws and one of those is that the process can only begin with "self submission" from your own coaches....
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Post by pOkLE on Mar 24, 2016 10:06:54 GMT -6
Yep, system has flaws. But coaches may nominate any player from within his/her own division. Now, it's not that it happens very often, but coaches do nominate players from other teams. So, "self submission" isn't necessarily the place to "begin" highlighting flaws.
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Post by onframe on Mar 24, 2016 10:18:27 GMT -6
Pretty sure everyone knows that EVERY system has flaws but I understand your point. The problem is there isn't a comprehensive, consistently maintained stat source anywhere. Plus, how would would a shutdown defender be recognized in a stat sheet anyway even if there was a reliable and complete one? The coaches MUST be the start. It's a coach's responsibility to see his/her star player(s) properly considered for top honors. If not the coaches, who else should do the nominating? Players, parents!?
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Post by lasoccer97 on Mar 24, 2016 11:46:39 GMT -6
I don't mean to be a Debbie downer, but I think it's a little ridiculous that the third leading scorer in Division IV, Bobby Wahl, didn't make the 1st nevermind the 2nd team All-State. If Haynes had played a weak schedule and had not done very much in playoffs I could see the doubt, but Haynes played a good schedule and made it to the quarterfinals, so I don't see why he couldn't make it. Other than that and one more omission, well done by the coaches. Well any pretty good player can score a lot of goals but how was the quality of his goals? Were they against tougher opponents or did he just get bunches against lesser teams? And when he did play against the tougher opponents did he separate himself or was he just another player on the field? |
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Post by passion on Mar 24, 2016 20:05:27 GMT -6
I don't mean to be a Debbie downer, but I think it's a little ridiculous that the third leading scorer in Division IV, Bobby Wahl, didn't make the 1st nevermind the 2nd team All-State. If Haynes had played a weak schedule and had not done very much in playoffs I could see the doubt, but Haynes played a good schedule and made it to the quarterfinals, so I don't see why he couldn't make it. Other than that and one more omission, well done by the coaches. Well any pretty good player can score a lot of goals but how was the quality of his goals? Were they against tougher opponents or did he just get bunches against lesser teams? And when he did play against the tougher opponents did he separate himself or was he just another player on the field? Scored against Parkview Baptist, Riverside, 3 times against St Charles Catholic, once against Riverdale, once against Menard, once against Country Day, twice against Pope John Paul, and once against St Thomas Aquinas. Also had about 20 assists so I think he deserves it. You can say I'm biased and I am, I'll admit that. However, I would think the coaches we played would agree but I guess not since he didn't make the team lol. |
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Post by rlb2024 on Mar 24, 2016 21:15:46 GMT -6
Pretty sure everyone knows that EVERY system has flaws but I understand your point. The problem is there isn't a comprehensive, consistently maintained stat source anywhere. Plus, how would would a shutdown defender be recognized in a stat sheet anyway even if there was a reliable and complete one? The coaches MUST be the start. It's a coach's responsibility to see his/her star player(s) properly considered for top honors. If not the coaches, who else should do the nominating? Players, parents!? Since this is the selection of the coaches, it would be interesting to see who would make a team put together by players. It possibly could be a little different, since the players have a teenager's perspective. Then the parents could put together their own All-State team. May have to have a couple hundred slots on the team . . . |
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Post by pkfalcon on Mar 25, 2016 4:30:50 GMT -6
Well any pretty good player can score a lot of goals but how was the quality of his goals? Were they against tougher opponents or did he just get bunches against lesser teams? And when he did play against the tougher opponents did he separate himself or was he just another player on the field? Scored against Parkview Baptist, Riverside, 3 times against St Charles Catholic, once against Riverdale, once against Menard, once against Country Day, twice against Pope John Paul, and once against St Thomas Aquinas. Also had about 20 assists so I think he deserves it. You can say I'm biased and I am, I'll admit that. However, I would think the coaches we played would agree but I guess not since he didn't make the team lol. He was shut out against ESA in the quarter finals. |
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Post by passion on Mar 25, 2016 14:28:01 GMT -6
Scored against Parkview Baptist, Riverside, 3 times against St Charles Catholic, once against Riverdale, once against Menard, once against Country Day, twice against Pope John Paul, and once against St Thomas Aquinas. Also had about 20 assists so I think he deserves it. You can say I'm biased and I am, I'll admit that. However, I would think the coaches we played would agree but I guess not since he didn't make the team lol. He was shut out against ESA in the quarter finals. And Matthew Pisani, who I've played against and is totally deserving of a spot, didn't score against us either. Does that mean he shouldn't be on the squad? That's just one game. |
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Post by chelsea007 on Apr 5, 2016 7:47:45 GMT -6
There are always people left off (my nominees included). Such is life. FWIW, I nominatwed players from multiple schools. It was the right thing to do. Again, congrats to these young men.
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