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Post by mikehoncho on Feb 21, 2019 13:37:07 GMT -6
When you guys say recruiting, are you insinuating that special privileges are being offered to the student-athlete, or is it just a "Hey John, come play at my school. You'd be a good fit. Blah blah blah"? I HIGHLY doubt that coaches and schools are pulling strings for high school soccer players. Just my opinion. I can understand the frustration of public schools. I went to a public school. I coached at the same public school. I never wanted a split (just me personally). I wanted to play/coach against the best teams, even it was "unfair". And now I'm on the flip side of that. Technically, Lusher is a "select" school, because we have admissions requirements. Trust me; NOBODY is coming to Lusher JUST to play soccer. 95% of the players in my player pool live within a mile or two of our school. The other 5% have other circumstances about why they chose to come to Lusher. ***** On another point, suggesting that because Jesuit has 40 players dressed and Northshore has 18 is the reason why Jesuit won is asenine. I carried 21 on my roster for most of the season, and even bumped it to 25 later in the season to reward some of our JV guys. Even playing against inferior teams, I STRUGGLED with getting the majority of my players meaningful minutes. In a typical game, I usually was able to play 17 guys, and those weren't the same 17 guys everytime. Every one of my bench players was capable of getting substantial minutes, but it just isn't feasible to think you can consistently get 18+ guys solid minutes in a game without effecting the flow of the game. The DI semi-finals had 2 public schools, and both lost by 1 goal. The DII semi-finals had 3 public schools, with 1 in the final. The DIII and DIV semi-finals didn't have any public schools, but Louisiana has yet to field a consistently competitive small public school. Those are much harder to come by. With that, all that I'm saying is that public schools are getting their chance. It's not like every public school is getting knocked out in the 1st or 2nd round and getting trounced when they play. They're competitive, but are lacking that final win.
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Post by 3balz on Feb 21, 2019 13:54:59 GMT -6
When you guys say recruiting, are you insinuating that special privileges are being offered to the student-athlete, or is it just a "Hey John, come play at my school. You'd be a good fit. Blah blah blah"? I HIGHLY doubt that coaches and schools are pulling strings for high school soccer players. Just my opinion. I can understand the frustration of public schools. I went to a public school. I coached at the same public school. I never wanted a split (just me personally). I wanted to play/coach against the best teams, even it was "unfair". And now I'm on the flip side of that. Technically, Lusher is a "select" school, because we have admissions requirements. Trust me; NOBODY is coming to Lusher JUST to play soccer. 95% of the players in my player pool live within a mile or two of our school. The other 5% have other circumstances about why they chose to come to Lusher. ***** On another point, suggesting that because Jesuit has 40 players dressed and Northshore has 18 is the reason why Jesuit won is asenine. I carried 21 on my roster for most of the season, and even bumped it to 25 later in the season to reward some of our JV guys. Even playing against inferior teams, I STRUGGLED with getting the majority of my players meaningful minutes. In a typical game, I usually was able to play 17 guys, and those weren't the same 17 guys everytime. Every one of my bench players was capable of getting substantial minutes, but it just isn't feasible to think you can consistently get 18+ guys solid minutes in a game without effecting the flow of the game. The DI semi-finals had 2 public schools, and both lost by 1 goal. The DII semi-finals had 3 public schools, with 1 in the final. The DIII and DIV semi-finals didn't have any public schools, but Louisiana has yet to field a consistently competitive small public school. Those are much harder to come by. With that, all that I'm saying is that public schools are getting their chance. It's not like every public school is getting knocked out in the 1st or 2nd round and getting trounced when they play. They're competitive, but are lacking that final win. The public schools are lacking that final win because they've got a bunch of small disadvantages. Look, if the roles were reversed and Northshore had 40 very talented players on the roster and some of those talented kids wanted to go elsewhere, they have a ton of private schools to chose from. If any of those 40 kids at Jesuit wanted to go to Northshore, they can't unless they move. It's one thing to pay tuition, but moving?
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Post by sonics3 on Feb 21, 2019 14:02:15 GMT -6
When you guys say recruiting, are you insinuating that special privileges are being offered to the student-athlete, or is it just a "Hey John, come play at my school. You'd be a good fit. Blah blah blah"? I HIGHLY doubt that coaches and schools are pulling strings for high school soccer players. Just my opinion. I can understand the frustration of public schools. I went to a public school. I coached at the same public school. I never wanted a split (just me personally). I wanted to play/coach against the best teams, even it was "unfair". And now I'm on the flip side of that. Technically, Lusher is a "select" school, because we have admissions requirements. Trust me; NOBODY is coming to Lusher JUST to play soccer. 95% of the players in my player pool live within a mile or two of our school. The other 5% have other circumstances about why they chose to come to Lusher. ***** On another point, suggesting that because Jesuit has 40 players dressed and Northshore has 18 is the reason why Jesuit won is asenine. I carried 21 on my roster for most of the season, and even bumped it to 25 later in the season to reward some of our JV guys. Even playing against inferior teams, I STRUGGLED with getting the majority of my players meaningful minutes. In a typical game, I usually was able to play 17 guys, and those weren't the same 17 guys everytime. Every one of my bench players was capable of getting substantial minutes, but it just isn't feasible to think you can consistently get 18+ guys solid minutes in a game without effecting the flow of the game. The DI semi-finals had 2 public schools, and both lost by 1 goal. The DII semi-finals had 3 public schools, with 1 in the final. The DIII and DIV semi-finals didn't have any public schools, but Louisiana has yet to field a consistently competitive small public school. Those are much harder to come by. With that, all that I'm saying is that public schools are getting their chance. It's not like every public school is getting knocked out in the 1st or 2nd round and getting trounced when they play. They're competitive, but are lacking that final win. Never said that is why Jesuit won the game. The game was a very good one. I was merely pointing out certain advantages. Northshore will be rebuilding next year, Jesuit will simply reload. Same for St. Paul’s. Same for Catholic. To say that they do not have advantages is what is asenine.
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Post by upper90 on Feb 21, 2019 14:07:28 GMT -6
Not sure I'm understanding your argument...
They aren't lacking the final win because of a disadvantage. They got to the semi-finals and they lost by 1 goal, man.
Again, if it was consistent that as soon as the public schools made it to a playoff round where they faced off against a private school and got beat 8-0, then I get your argument. But the good public schools are still being competitive.
In my opinion, this problem stems from the fact that a lot of parents don't like seeing their son/daughter losing, because of these "disadvantages". I would be willing to bet that when St. Amant lost to St. Paul's, none of the players said "Well, we're at a disdvantage because they can recruit and we can't." If you do hear that argument, I would put money on the fact that it's coming from a parent, and not a player.
Players want to play the game. They want to win. They want to beat the best.
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Post by usfgk on Feb 21, 2019 14:08:45 GMT -6
Why is any of this discussion on the game thread
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Post by beasleyisbeastly on Feb 21, 2019 14:25:41 GMT -6
There's two other threads up on the main page where people can complain about how their schools don't have as many championships as Jesuits and SPS. Come on admins...
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Post by beasleyisbeastly on Feb 21, 2019 14:26:56 GMT -6
I think we need cheerleaders and band at Soccer games. This would add a great deal to the game. Just a thought but I’m going to try and get it going at St. Amant. Possibly yell leaders like at AM. Party more. My favorite cheer of all time in the video. SPS band (and possibly lots of supporters) won't be able to make it saturday with the olympia parade happening in covington at the same time.
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Post by 3balz on Feb 21, 2019 14:30:08 GMT -6
Not sure I'm understanding your argument... They aren't lacking the final win because of a disadvantage. They got to the semi-finals and they lost by 1 goal, man. Again, if it was consistent that as soon as the public schools made it to a playoff round where they faced off against a private school and got beat 8-0, then I get your argument. But the good public schools are still being competitive. In my opinion, this problem stems from the fact that a lot of parents don't like seeing their son/daughter losing, because of these "disadvantages". I would be willing to bet that when St. Amant lost to St. Paul's, none of the players said "Well, we're at a disdvantage because they can recruit and we can't." If you do hear that argument, I would put money on the fact that it's coming from a parent, and not a player. Players want to play the game. They want to win. They want to beat the best. I get it. We'll see if any public school wins a title in any division, boys or girls, this year. Sure doesn't look good. Lakeshore girls probably have the best shot at 50-50 if that.
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Post by gallstar on Feb 21, 2019 14:31:28 GMT -6
I’m setting the line at St. Paul -1/2 point. Come see me and Doc T at the Agave for your action.
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Post by noonediesinsoccer on Feb 21, 2019 14:33:44 GMT -6
Why is any of this discussion on the game thread probably an indicator of the interest in the game.
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Post by JoshuaC on Feb 21, 2019 15:59:29 GMT -6
I’m setting the line at St. Paul -1/2 point. Come see me and Doc T at the Agave for your action. Best Mexican in town. If you want to get real frisky, right down the road on Bertrand Avenue is Legends Bar and Grill. Talk about a margarita that'll knock you on your ass. Easily my favorite drink in town.
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Post by gallstar on Feb 21, 2019 16:11:47 GMT -6
Hoping the weather is good and the game is better. Gonna be lots of passion in this one. Hope to meet many of you at agave on Saturday starting at 11 AM. I’ll have name tags for everybody. We will have a great time. The game is at 7:00 so pace yourself.
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Post by soccerfan583 on Feb 21, 2019 16:14:18 GMT -6
The problem isn’t recruiting. The problem is that the kids who have the opportunity to play club soccer from a young age are the same kids who get the opportunity to go to private schools.
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Post by justmy2cents on Feb 21, 2019 17:11:23 GMT -6
The bottom line is your schools should be playing for a championship in a private/catholic category just like football and baseball.
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Post by gallstar on Feb 21, 2019 18:04:17 GMT -6
We are veering like a hydroplaning 18 wheeler on ice off topic here. Let’s comment on Jesuit and St. Paul. We can even discuss which coach would look better in shorty short Umbros but please for the love of Gallstar no more crying.
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Post by kahnman on Feb 21, 2019 18:29:48 GMT -6
The argument that 2 public schools made the semis doesn’t hold water to me. Out of 24 total to make the playoffs only 4 were private. Yet 2 of those make the final most years, and at least 1 of the other 2 is typically knocked out by another private. 4-5 out of 24 every year and the same 2/3 in the finals what 19 out of the last 20 participants? Don’t give me “public schools have thier chance”...
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Post by gallstar on Feb 21, 2019 20:22:12 GMT -6
If St. Amant scores first vs. St. Paul they win. If Northshore scores first vs Jesuit they win. Just didn’t happen this year but they were both plenty capable. Dutchtown tied both during the year and was possibly the best team before Greer went down. Now back on topic.
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Post by kahnman on Feb 21, 2019 20:49:29 GMT -6
If St. Amant scores first vs. St. Paul they win. If Northshore scores first vs Jesuit they win. Just didn’t happen this year but they were both plenty capable. Dutchtown tied both during the year and was possibly the best team before Greer went down. Now back on topic. You are right, just didn’t happen this....decade
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Post by Rabid Monkey on Feb 21, 2019 22:28:04 GMT -6
If St. Amant scores first vs. St. Paul they win. If Northshore scores first vs Jesuit they win. Just didn’t happen this year but they were both plenty capable. Dutchtown tied both during the year and was possibly the best team before Greer went down. Now back on topic. Dutchtown had Jesuit down by 2 without Greer and didn’t win. The better team in both semifinal games won without a doubt. And now the two best teams in the state will battle it out for the championship. There’s no love loss between those teams so it should be a war.
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Post by gallstar on Feb 21, 2019 22:53:55 GMT -6
If St. Amant scores first vs. St. Paul they win. If Northshore scores first vs Jesuit they win. Just didn’t happen this year but they were both plenty capable. Dutchtown tied both during the year and was possibly the best team before Greer went down. Now back on topic. Dutchtown had Jesuit down by 2 without Greer and didn’t win. The better team in both semifinal games won without a doubt. And now the two best teams in the state will battle it out for the championship. There’s no love loss between those teams so it should be a war. I agree. Two best teams and I don’t care where they live, if they were recruited or if they live on the moon. Just want to see them battle and a great match. It will be hard to top the D-3 and D-2 games.
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