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Post by time2retire on Jan 29, 2020 11:02:30 GMT -6
Prairieville High School in about 3 years. So it will be 5 years til they seriously affect the PR, right? Yes just like Southside in Youngsville had to do
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Post by ManURedDevils on Jan 29, 2020 11:15:42 GMT -6
The only change that should be made to LA soccer is the final bracket . Have a 1-16 public school side of the state bracket and a 1-16 private side. State champ from public school plays state champ from private for the overall state championship. This would satisfy everyone and level the field perfectly. If anyone thinks that St. Amant is on a level playing field with St. Paul, Catholic, Jesuit, Brother Martin and etc you are delusional. We have 8 soccer players and 8 athletes on our varsity team and 24 total kids in our program. Dutchtown is in a similar boat and 1-2 injuries to us is like these other teams missing 7-8. I can name 4 kids that play at Catholic that are from Ascension Parish and these are just 4 I know. I cannot name one that plays at St. Amant that lives in anybody else’s district. So if you want a quick easy fix be willing to play your own kind to crown the kings. this is brilliant
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Post by gallstar on Jan 29, 2020 11:48:08 GMT -6
We wouldn’t have a starting lineup if we couldn’t use freshman.
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Post by sissoko on Jan 29, 2020 11:53:27 GMT -6
The freshman sitting out would’ve hurt us bad this year as opposed to recent years. Graduating 14 seniors last year only to start 6 freshman this year has given us results that you’d expect but if we couldn’t start any of them that wouldn’t of been awful and we are still Div I. I can only imagine the smaller division schools if this got passed. Would decimate their programs potentially. The new freshman rule as it is has already hurt us a lot. We have as many current club players on JV as we do on varsity. As a result, we have several likely starters confined to JV and very little depth at all.
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Post by kevin on Jan 29, 2020 12:36:36 GMT -6
Just to be clear, the current issue with freshmen is kids not being able to play as freshmen if they are going to school outside their attendance zones; this is mostly affecting some of the magnet/charter schools around the state, or districts that allow some flexibility with special programs at different schools. It's not a blanket no-freshman rule.
The big problem with this rule is that different places have different structures. In New Orleans, all of the Catholic schools are 8-12 (or K-12), so an 8th grader sitting out can play as a 9th grader. But you've got kids who go to a 6-8 or K-8 magnet school in Caddo Parish who are ineligible as 9th graders because they are going outside of their attendance zone, even though they're going to a magnet program provided by their school board. Even within the same city and district you have issues with schools having different structures. Lusher and Ben Franklin are similar schools serving similar populations in New Orleans, but one is K-12 and one is 9-12. Or you have Catholic-BR with grades 8-12, but St. Michael's (also in BR) with 9-12.
As I said before, if you're a 9th grader, you haven't played at a different LHSAA school before, and you meet all the usual rules, you should be eligible. Period.
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Post by copakid14 on Jan 29, 2020 13:14:51 GMT -6
The proposal I was referencing was out of district 9th graders that would not be allowed to participate at the sub varsity level. Right now, they can play sub varsity even if out of district.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 29, 2020 14:28:37 GMT -6
Just to be clear, the current issue with freshmen is kids not being able to play as freshmen if they are going to school outside their attendance zones; this is mostly affecting some of the magnet/charter schools around the state, or districts that allow some flexibility with special programs at different schools. It's not a blanket no-freshman rule. The big problem with this rule is that different places have different structures. In New Orleans, all of the Catholic schools are 8-12 (or K-12), so an 8th grader sitting out can play as a 9th grader. But you've got kids who go to a 6-8 or K-8 magnet school in Caddo Parish who are ineligible as 9th graders because they are going outside of their attendance zone, even though they're going to a magnet program provided by their school board. Even within the same city and district you have issues with schools having different structures. Lusher and Ben Franklin are similar schools serving similar populations in New Orleans, but one is K-12 and one is 9-12. Or you have Catholic-BR with grades 8-12, but St. Michael's (also in BR) with 9-12. As I said before, if you're a 9th grader, you haven't played at a different LHSAA school before, and you meet all the usual rules, you should be eligible. Period. While Catholic BR does have an 8th grade it is not near the size of their 9-12 grades. A Catholic person can speak to this better but it may be 25% the size of the other 4 grades.
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Post by krvader on Jan 29, 2020 15:36:32 GMT -6
The 8th grade class @ CHS is about 65 kids compared to about 300 in the freshman class. I was told that there were 2 8th graders that played on the freshman team this season
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Post by findingthenet on Jan 30, 2020 15:32:17 GMT -6
No one has talked about the effect it has on the kids sitting out. We had 4 Freshman this year at our Magnet School that were club players who had to play Junior Varsity, even though they would have made and possibly started for Varsity. One of them is my son. He will now never get to play with his Senior brother because of this rule. We have talked about this since he was in 6th grade as his goal and he met every milestone to make this happen including working with his club coach several days a week in 100+ degree temps last summer. He found out right before tryouts, he was marked as ineligible for Varsity because we lived about 5 blocks outside the "New Zones". In the past and since my husband was there over 20 years ago, the whole parish was our zone for any Magnet school. We have lived in the same house for over 10 years. We picked this Magnet School not only because my husband and most of his family were alumni, but because the school we are zoned to does not provide the complete advanced classes my children need- a specific example is he came into HS going into Spanish III-H and plans to continue to Spanish V AP. This was not offered at the other school and is SO important to know these days. He will likely take 6 APs Junior Year like his brother- not enough options at our zoned HS. As a result, my son's whole attitude has changed and has had physical issues as well, as he is also having to deal with being JV in tennis as well. He feels like a second hand citizen and he is smart enough to know what is going on and how helpless he is in this situation. He sees the JV play (like Recreational Soccer) and worked SO hard to move to the next level, yet he is forced to play on a team where he has no opportunity to continue development. It has been a kick and go game after he learned how to work the ball up the field through club. He has fought me on every practice and every game, not wanting to go; feeling defeated. So now he knows the world is not fair, and it is SO sad that this state makes ANY kids sit out of sports for any reason, unless they are fraudulently trying to play. Our kids NEED sports and I know SO many people (including me) who would not have made it without sports. Please make it where ALL Freshman can play again.
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Post by loJic on Jan 30, 2020 18:50:17 GMT -6
Freshman rule is ridiculous
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Post by kevin on Jan 31, 2020 8:36:09 GMT -6
The proposal about kicking private schools out was withdrawn from consideration.
The meeting will be starting at 9 AM. I'd recommend checking #lhsaa on twitter for updates.
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Post by gallstar on Jan 31, 2020 9:31:53 GMT -6
The proposal about kicking private schools out was withdrawn from consideration. The meeting will be starting at 9 AM. I'd recommend checking #lhsaa on twitter for updates. just split the playoff brackets. You then have the Public champs and the private champs. Final game is private vs public. Season doesn’t change.
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Post by kevin on Jan 31, 2020 10:40:54 GMT -6
Tweet from Robin Fambrough:
I don't know what the exact wording is here, but it sounds like this would fix a lot of the freshman ineligibility issues we saw this year.
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Post by kevin on Jan 31, 2020 10:52:43 GMT -6
On the other hand, there's also this tweet from Lenny Vangilder with Crescent City Sports: Act 465 was letting 9th graders at a nonpublic school be eligible out of zone if they had been attending a K-8 school run by the same denomination. Not sure if this is now redundant with the changes to the other proposal or not. I assume there must be some reason a Catholic school principal was lobbying against its removal.
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Post by kevin on Jan 31, 2020 10:53:31 GMT -6
Another big vote: 7th and 8th graders at all schools remain eligible.
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Post by deltachartersoccer on Jan 31, 2020 10:57:30 GMT -6
The only change that should be made to LA soccer is the final bracket . Have a 1-16 public school side of the state bracket and a 1-16 private side. State champ from public school plays state champ from private for the overall state championship. This would satisfy everyone and level the field perfectly. If anyone thinks that St. Amant is on a level playing field with St. Paul, Catholic, Jesuit, Brother Martin and etc you are delusional. We have 8 soccer players and 8 athletes on our varsity team and 24 total kids in our program. Dutchtown is in a similar boat and 1-2 injuries to us is like these other teams missing 7-8. I can name 4 kids that play at Catholic that are from Ascension Parish and these are just 4 I know. I cannot name one that plays at St. Amant that lives in anybody else’s district. So if you want a quick easy fix be willing to play your own kind to crown the kings. I love this idea. What do you do about DIV which only has like 10 public schools though? Play a 10 team tournament where everyone makes it?
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Post by gallstar on Jan 31, 2020 10:59:16 GMT -6
The only change that should be made to LA soccer is the final bracket . Have a 1-16 public school side of the state bracket and a 1-16 private side. State champ from public school plays state champ from private for the overall state championship. This would satisfy everyone and level the field perfectly. If anyone thinks that St. Amant is on a level playing field with St. Paul, Catholic, Jesuit, Brother Martin and etc you are delusional. We have 8 soccer players and 8 athletes on our varsity team and 24 total kids in our program. Dutchtown is in a similar boat and 1-2 injuries to us is like these other teams missing 7-8. I can name 4 kids that play at Catholic that are from Ascension Parish and these are just 4 I know. I cannot name one that plays at St. Amant that lives in anybody else’s district. So if you want a quick easy fix be willing to play your own kind to crown the kings. I love this idea. What do you do about DIV which only has like 10 public schools though? Play a 10 team tournament where everyone makes it? that’s fair to me!
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Post by sissoko on Jan 31, 2020 11:12:22 GMT -6
Tweet from Robin Fambrough: I don't know what the exact wording is here, but it sounds like this would fix a lot of the freshman ineligibility issues we saw this year. So this keeps out of zone 9th graders eligible for JV? And requires that to be eligible for varsity, they must have attended a feeder school for their HS in 7th and 8th?
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Post by kevin on Jan 31, 2020 11:15:36 GMT -6
So this keeps out of zone 9th graders eligible for JV? And requires that to be eligible for varsity, they must have attended a feeder school for their HS in 7th and 8th? That's what it sounds like to me. But I don't know exactly what they mean by "feeder school" without seeing the actual wording of the amendment.
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Post by JoshuaC on Jan 31, 2020 11:22:35 GMT -6
9th graders being eligible for JV out of the attendance zone is a good start in my opinion. I’m for that approval.
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