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Post by lasoccerplay12 on Jan 11, 2005 21:26:42 GMT -6
considered confirmed. Physical game, two reds, a yellow or two, Shreve scored off a cross? can't remember, but it was a rocket from outside the 18. T. Johnson scored for Magnet off a pk. The red's came after the pk (1 for Magnet, 1 for Shreve). Ah, let's just say I'm in no mood to talk about these reds, because I'm leaning towards Magnet being jipped on the call (someone else post on this, we'll talk). Went down to PKs, Magnet won.
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Post by nOrThWeSt7 on Jan 11, 2005 21:35:30 GMT -6
The game was incredible. I don't even go to Magnet or Shreve and I felt like a true fan. The underdogs came through with this one. Shreve seemingly dominated Magnet's defense the entire game, with blitzing runs, exploiting their width. In the first Over Time, Shreve ripped a shot that the Magnet keeper blocked, but didn't catch, and it went in. Then a PK in Magnet's favor came. Trevor Johnson took the kick. And as he kicked, Shreve member Travis Weimer pushed Magnet's Alan Wheeless and Travis receieved a red and I believe Alan a yellow. In the final O.T., neither team scored, both having sufficient shots. The PKs were taken. All 5 shooters took their turn, the score was 3-3. The sweeper for Magnet stepped up to shoot, scored, and when Shreve's Stephen Barefield shot, he blasted one over the goal. Congrats Magnet.
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Post by rotag on Jan 11, 2005 21:39:47 GMT -6
In the run of play, Shreve's defender slipped and fell. Magnet's guy fell on top of him, and a foul was called. It was just outside of the box. They were lining up for a free kick when the linesman signaled that it was in the box. (What???)
Then as the shooter was getting ready, a Magnet guy pushed one of Shreve's, who pushed him back. Another player pulled the Shreve guy back. The linesman saw this going on, and was waving his flag, and the Shreve keeper was pointing to the scuffle, not at all ready for the shot. The shooter shot, and it was declared a goal.
Then the two red cards came out. One to the Magnet player who pushed, and one to the WRONG Shreve player. It was given to the one who was trying to intervene and the player who had really been involved told him, "You are getting my card."
Meanwhile the Magnet player who had scored the PK, ran up the field and took his shirt off. Supposed to be an automatic red card. No card, no call.
So, who was jipped? Have a bunch of questions about the officiating of this game, but that's soccer.
It was a good game up until that point, though it was questionable to most that the center ref is a Magnet parent, with a daughter at that school. Is she still on the girl's team?
Chris Beason had an outstanding game and kept Magnet in it.
The next match up ought to be a doozy.
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Post by rotag on Jan 11, 2005 21:41:49 GMT -6
T. Wimer did not push, another Shreve player did, but T. Wimer was given the card.
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Post by Bandit99 on Jan 11, 2005 21:50:32 GMT -6
Facts... Travis Weimer of Shreve - Red Carded Allen Whelles of Magnet - Red Carded Trevor Johnson of Magnet - Yellow Carded for Removing shirt
J Weimer Saved first or second PK C Beason saved second PK
Both keepers saved one PK
went to 7 kickers with the final kicker Steven Barefield (sp?) putting it just over the cross bar.
I believe the remake will be the 29th, unconfirmed
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Post by lasoccerplay12 on Jan 11, 2005 21:50:49 GMT -6
As for the pk and red's, in order for you to have a PK, both the kicker and keeper must tell the ref that they're ready. Wiemer is a good keeper and wouldn't be worried about the scuffle, because all that matters is the ball in the net, right? Scuffle aside, good goal, good pk.
Reds- A Magnet player was pushed into the box right before the PK was taken. He then tried to run out, so the ref wouldn't call it against him, and in doing so he had to run straight into a Shreve player. I'd have done the same thing. He took it for the team, in the defence that he was running out of the box because he was PUSHED into it. If a Shreve kid was in the way, hey, i'm sorry, but someone's gonna be pushed. Well, Magnet didn't really debate this with the ref, because when you're down 1-0 in overtime, and you just got a PK, you DON'T argue. Anyway, with both teams one man down, it stays even. (10 v 10) I however can see your point of view, and that very may well be what happend. All that matters was both teams were down a man, and even in number.
As for the scorer, he got a yellow. Maybe you didn't see it, but he WAS sent off to the sidelines (punishement for the yellow).
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Post by iiaaa on Jan 11, 2005 21:51:42 GMT -6
being the magnet player i feel i have a say in this...although you may not believe me....i was at the corner of the semi circle and the 18 and a shreve player came and pushed me into the box on a pk...which you all know you cant be in it...so i gave a little shove back to get out of the box...the pk was taken and we scored...then the sideline ref said it was #20 and #6...im #6 and so was the first guy that pushed me for shreve so i thought he was talking about him but he was talking about me...and apparently i went into t.wimer when i came out of the box and i found out after the game when i went to talk to the ref that he took a swing at me...im still not really sure why i recieved a red as i didnt say anything or retaliate in any way
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Post by Bandit99 on Jan 11, 2005 21:57:23 GMT -6
not sure about 7 kickers, maybe 6, but it was sudden death
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Post by copakid14 on Jan 11, 2005 22:00:12 GMT -6
This was an entertaining game to watch with about 15 minutes left in the game. Before that time it really looked like these teams hadn't played in a few weeks. The officiating was equally questionable with really no call determining the outcome of the game. The penalty kick for Magnet was warranted and the linesman did a good job of coming in and correcting the center on the position of the foul. I wasn't real impressed with Magnet's midfield as they just tried to play long balls to Trevor and Scott all night long. Shreve's midfield did a better job of possessing and building their attack but it just didn't amount to much. The difference in this game was Shreve's inablility to finish their quality chances. Magnet only had a few actual shots on goal before the penalty kick in overtime. Barefield had a good run in the box and then hit the left post with his shot and there was another shot that Beason stopped from only about 5 yds out. Overall, good rivalry game that had to end in PKs. Looking forward to the next matchup.
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Post by lasoccerplay12 on Jan 11, 2005 22:07:33 GMT -6
Just watched the tape of the game. I retract my statement earlier, Wiemer was distracted and point to the hustle. What happend was G. Duncan and A. Whelless where trying to get in front of eachother's leg. A little touch, but not anything to worry about. #6 then pushed Whelless into the box, where T. Wiemer (for some odd reason) had to come, late, and push Whelless more. Argue all you want, I've got the tape, this is how it went. Sorry to the keeper for the distraction, but it was Shreve's fault in the reds, and Whelless stands not guilty.
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Post by LAsoccer1317 on Jan 11, 2005 22:10:10 GMT -6
Definately don't know which game you watched... probably the Southwood-Airline match because I don't see how you can just make up excuses about the officiating, it was so fairly called. I'm sorry that the linesman had a better view than you from the stands of about 200 people but it was in the box. And do NOT give me the oh Wimer wasn't ready for the kick.
ANYWAYS... game was good and intense... the first half was the better, it was about 50/50 possesion with both Magnet and Shreve had around 6 shots on goal... Second, then you can talk about Shreve dominating... it was more around 70/30 possession in 2nd half, it's just that Beason came up HUGE and Shreve couldn't bury one in. Great game though...
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Post by iiaaa on Jan 11, 2005 22:12:09 GMT -6
thank you...and did you confirm that the foul did occur in the box for the pk?...all i remember is seeing trevor ontop of beck on the ground in the box
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Post by ShreveDad on Jan 11, 2005 23:21:27 GMT -6
Another great Shreve-Magnet match. Shreve has won a match the last two years in a shootout and this year it was Magnets turn. I thought the first half was split, Magnet had the better of it the first 20 minutes and Shreve the last 20. Both teams had some good chances. Second half Shreve had more chances, hit the post once and Beason made some great saves for Magnet. Both defenses did a wonderful job of keeping forwards in check and preventing shots. Shreve got a goal 3 minutes into first overtime when Bennett Bynum blasted one from 25 yards out, Beason got his hands on it but couldnt control it and it rolled in. 2 minutes later was when the fun began. It was hard to see from the stands just what happened, but I asked the center after the match and he said the defender pulled the attacker down. It was close to the 18, he pointed for a free kick and AR said PK. While the result was the correct call the way the referees handled it was not ideal. It's the centers call and he is within his right to change it after consulting with the AR. The rest happened so fast, I will leave it to the players to talk about that. As far as the shootout goes, it went to 6 kickers. Magnet made 5, Shreve made 4. It was a great game played by two very good teams. Magnet came out on top this time. They deserved the win.
As far as the referee, his daughter is a senior at Magnet. She played as Freshman, I dont think she has played since. I thought he called a fair game. He let a lot go, but he did it both ways. He had two opportunities in the first half to call fouls on Shreve in the box but didn't. Shreve can't complain much about the one he did call. In the end the players determined the outcome which is as it should be. Congrats to both teams on a well played, hard fought match that was very entertaining to watch.
The Shreve coach told me after the match that the next match with Magnet will be on Monday Jan 31 at Indy.
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Post by ShreveDad on Jan 12, 2005 10:11:42 GMT -6
Here is my opinion on the referees last night. I remember Jeff Kelly who always would say before we worked a match, especially a big match, 2 things. 1) Make sure we get the call right and 2) Lets look like a team while we do it. Last night there were 3 incidents which tested those statements. All were centered around the call that gave Magnet the PK.
#1—Sweeper takes down the attacker just inside the 18. Before the match most centers will usually say “Give me first shot in the box” What should happen is the two officials should make eye contact with the center doing one of two things. If he is certain it was outside the box he just calls the foul, runs to the spot and play proceeds. If he is uncertain it was in the box, he should call the foul and look to the AR who should signal the foul and when eye contact is made drop the flag and run to the goal line. That tells the center it was in the box and a PK should be awarded. They did not do this, the AR just stayed on the touchline waving the flag. Did they get the call right—yes. Did they look like a team—no.
#2—Just before Trevor took the PK, the AR started waving the flag. He obviously saw the pushing going on by the 18. The Shreve fans were saying that Jeremy might have been distracted. My guess is that if Trevor had missed the Magnet fans would have said the same thing. I’m sure that Trevor and Jeremy didn’t even see him waving his flag. What should have happened is the AR should have waited until Trevor had taken the kick and then raised his flag ONLY if the kick should have been retaken. If he was calling the Magnet player for encroachment the kick should have been retaken. If he was calling the Shreve player for encroachment the flag should have stayed down. Since they let the kick stay, it must have been a Shreve player he was flagging. Once again did they get it right—yes. Did they look like a team—no.
#3—Cards issued after the PK. Here is all depends on what they saw. I haven’t had time to look at the tape yet but my feeling is that Allen and Gavin should have gotten yellow cards if they were only pushing for position. Travis also could have gotten a yellow card not a red. The one player who deserved a red was Trevor for taking his jersey off. That is an automatic red card. High school rules allow him to be replaced so Magnet would not have had to play down a man. I can’t believe the 3 referees missed him running the whole length of the field. That is my only real problem with what happened. The near side AR had to see it or certainly should of. Did they get it right—not this time. The reds given depended on what they saw. The red card not given was a mistake.
All in all, a fairly refereed match. Mistakes were made but they did not determine who won the match. More with referee mechanics than the calls made. He let a lot go, but for both teams. The only glaring mistake was Trevor not getting the red card for taking off his shirt. Well played match by both teams. We play again in a couple of weeks, that one should be just as exciting as this one was.
***Added at noon*** Just watched the tape. As far as the cards go, Wheless and Duncan should have gotten yellows for pushing. Travis came up from behind and pushed Wheless in the back. Yellow for sure, maybe red. Trevor should have gotten a red for taking his jersey off. All in all, advantage to Shreve. Magnet could have subbed in for Trevor. Not so for Travis. The referees didn't have the advantage of video tape. They did the best they could.
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Post by lasoccerplay12 on Jan 12, 2005 17:12:53 GMT -6
Thanks for the insight Shrevedad. I thought excessive celebration was just a yellow though (maybe this is just for club, maybe a new rule or something for high school).
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Post by shame on Jan 12, 2005 17:44:54 GMT -6
I dont think the problem is with the cards. I think it's with how the players reacted. From the stands it was hard to tell that a Magnet player had even been red carded. Why? because he walked off the field respectfully. However the Shreve player made a big deal of it, stormed off the field, took off his shirt and went to the corner of the field. Just shows a lack of respect all around. The Magnet player who took off his shirt should have been red carded as well and probably would have if the refs werent dealing with getting the carded Shreve player off the field.
I was at the first half, but neither team dominated the second half. Both teams were really tired. Magnet passed better but created few scoring opportunities. Shreve played toe and go up to their forwards who almost converted on some good chances. In the end Magnet prevailed. Shreve cannot complain. They have won many of the past Shreve-Magnet games the same way that Magnet has just done. I hope that the next game will be just as intense but without the disrespect.
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Post by shame on Jan 12, 2005 17:47:12 GMT -6
Maybe the Shreve ranking should be changed. But then again I've always thought they were over rated. To much recognition is given to a team that is no better than Magnet. Either of these teams could win any match up between each other and neither should be ranked that high.
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Jan 12, 2005 17:52:47 GMT -6
Maybe the Shreve ranking should be changed. But then again I've always thought they were over rated. To much recognition is given to a team that is no better than Magnet. Either of these teams could win any match up between each other and neither should be ranked that high. It's a rivalry game... Caddo -vs- Shreve has been one for awhile... Just like any team can beat any in district 3 because there is must much rivalry inbetween them teams... It seems to always be a close game no matter what team is alot better...
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Post by savonarola on Jan 12, 2005 19:28:43 GMT -6
First of all, it was nice to be able to watch this game without having to put on a parka and 3 layers of thermals....Maybe that is what threw the refs off; they weren't used to such nice working conditions.
This game was really an argument for letting district games end in a tie. Both teams were spent at the end of regulation and I think the two goals scored in the first overtime period were the result of fatigue. It would have been proper for each team to leave the pitch with one point in the standings after such a result.
Shreve's defense continues to impress me and they will keep them in any game they play this year. Their midfield play was much better than last time I saw them play. Hopefully, the finishing will begin clicking for them. Finishing is about pace and rythmn, and the scheduling this season has played havoc with that.
First time I have seen Magnet this year. Last year they had #9 at forward and I thought he contributes more in back. He also played with more composure than in the past. #4 had a good game and #2 created some pressure with his speed, even though his ball control and technical abilities were weaker than the oher forwards out there. What a monster he would be if Raymond Lee or Radi Baltov could have worked with him when he was younger!
What a pleasure to watch. I am sure from Shreve's perspective it would be little consolation to hear that this is the most solid performance I have seen from them. I am sure they would have preferred the ugly win to the beautiful loss. Magnet showed some grit and mental toughness. I had them written off after they went down 1-0 and when they went into the shootout.
Hope both teams can avoid injuries and go into the playoffs on a strong note.
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Post by CaddoMagnet on Jan 12, 2005 20:13:30 GMT -6
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