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Post by Formerhcpops on Jan 22, 2022 17:34:13 GMT -6
Can you all help me with something? I've played and watched soccer since the early 80's. But, I'm also a soccer parent so that lowers my credibility with you on principle.
So here's your chance to educate a pesky dumb parent. Throw-ins have devolved into something not even close to what they formerly needed to be. Enforcement guidance, and maybe even the rule itself, must have changed significantly, right?
1. What leeway does a player officially have to cheat forward from the point where the ball goes out. 5 yards? 20? 30? And, what guidance exists that makes it good to selectively enforce such official leeway?
2. Coming back and forward over the top of the head with both hands, is this no longer a requirement?
3. Can we send guys to the Manning Passing Academy to train for throw-ins in the manner of Peyton & Eli?
Yea, I'm obviously being a bit facetious but my questions are sincere. Thank you.
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Post by time2retire on Jan 22, 2022 19:47:12 GMT -6
Can you all help me with something? I've played and watched soccer since the early 80's. But, I'm also a soccer parent so that lowers my credibility with you on principle. So here's your chance to educate a pesky dumb parent. Throw-ins have devolved into something not even close to what they formerly needed to be. Enforcement guidance, and maybe even the rule itself, must have changed significantly, right? 1. What leeway does a player officially have to cheat forward from the point where the ball goes out. 5 yards? 20? 30? And, what guidance exists that makes it good to selectively enforce such official leeway? 2. Coming back and forward over the top of the head with both hands, is this no longer a requirement? 3. Can we send guys to the Manning Passing Academy to train for throw-ins in the manner of Peyton & Eli? Yea, I'm obviously being a bit facetious but my questions are sincere. Thank you.
Also, Time2retire, if you're just going to complain about ballstars, be part of the solution, take the class and become a ballstar. The Botherhood of Ballstars - Bayou Chapter, known as Bayou Bob, has online courses and virtual meetings on Sunday nights.The last time I cited NFHS this was your response. So I could either 1) ignore your request and let you figure it out, or have someone else help you or 2) help you by citing NFHS and giving you insight to practical refereeing, and risk another response like the one above. |
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Post by Formerhcpops on Jan 22, 2022 21:19:48 GMT -6
Can you all help me with something? I've played and watched soccer since the early 80's. But, I'm also a soccer parent so that lowers my credibility with you on principle. So here's your chance to educate a pesky dumb parent. Throw-ins have devolved into something not even close to what they formerly needed to be. Enforcement guidance, and maybe even the rule itself, must have changed significantly, right? 1. What leeway does a player officially have to cheat forward from the point where the ball goes out. 5 yards? 20? 30? And, what guidance exists that makes it good to selectively enforce such official leeway? 2. Coming back and forward over the top of the head with both hands, is this no longer a requirement? 3. Can we send guys to the Manning Passing Academy to train for throw-ins in the manner of Peyton & Eli? Yea, I'm obviously being a bit facetious but my questions are sincere. Thank you.
Also, Time2retire, if you're just going to complain about ballstars, be part of the solution, take the class and become a ballstar. The Botherhood of Ballstars - Bayou Chapter, known as Bayou Bob, has online courses and virtual meetings on Sunday nights.The last time I cited NFHS this was your response. So I could either 1) ignore your request and let you figure it out, or have someone else help you or 2) help you by citing NFHS and giving you insight to practical refereeing, and risk another response like the one above. Are there any referees without hurt feelings who can answer my questions? |
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Post by futbolfootball on Jan 22, 2022 21:27:05 GMT -6
Ballstar, they're now called ballstars. Done. You're welcome.
Also, Time2retire, if you're just going to complain about ballstars, be part of the solution, take the class and become a ballstar. The Botherhood of Ballstars - Bayou Chapter, known as Bayou Bob, has online courses and virtual meetings on Sunday nights.The last time I cited NFHS this was your response. So I could either 1) ignore your request and let you figure it out, or have someone else help you or 2) help you by citing NFHS and giving you insight to practical refereeing, and risk another response like the one above. Are there any referees without hurt feelings who can answer my questions? Sorry no can do. Referee’s code. You come at one (especially Time2Retire), you come at all. |
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Post by futbolfootball on Jan 22, 2022 21:47:28 GMT -6
Can you all help me with something? I've played and watched soccer since the early 80's. But, I'm also a soccer parent so that lowers my credibility with you on principle. So here's your chance to educate a pesky dumb parent. Throw-ins have devolved into something not even close to what they formerly needed to be. Enforcement guidance, and maybe even the rule itself, must have changed significantly, right? 1. What leeway does a player officially have to cheat forward from the point where the ball goes out. 5 yards? 20? 30? And, what guidance exists that makes it good to selectively enforce such official leeway? 2. Coming back and forward over the top of the head with both hands, is this no longer a requirement? 3. Can we send guys to the Manning Passing Academy to train for throw-ins in the manner of Peyton & Eli? Yea, I'm obviously being a bit facetious but my questions are sincere. Thank you. To level set before we get started: Soccer is, at its core, a game of laws not rules (unless you’re NFHS or NISOA, because the US has to be difficult). Compare a Umpires “rule book” to a referees IFAB laws of the game and it looks notably different. A rule book would have prescribed scenarios and examples written out to a “t”. Just like a judge or arbiter, a referee is the arbiter/judge of those laws. I’d encourage you to look at the post before this on the Ref page and consider taking the class to quench your curiosity. 1. The way you ask makes this a loaded question. Guidance and enforcement haven’t changed. “In the opinion of the referee” is the optimal phrase for enforcement here. At the higher levels of the game, throw-ins are a pedantic thing to micromanage. You ref to the skill level. This is also why the game you watch on TV is allowed to be more physical than say a Middle School match. Generally speaking, rule of thumb to enforce this law is typically 2-5 yards of leeway before I whistle to push back, but like I stated above flow and spirit of the game sometimes compels me to just keep it moving. 10+ yards repeatedly is pretty excessive for me, though. 2. Hasn’t changed. But see above. 3. Only if their parents pay for it. |
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Post by premier on Jan 22, 2022 22:01:54 GMT -6
I’ll give an example of my game tonight. Multiple times BOTH teams would take about 5-7 yards extra from the spot the ball went out. No complains, no issues, both sides doing it. No call from me on any throw in for moving up the field. Now I did call two inappropriate throw ins because the player didn’t “cross the plane” of the ball going over the head for them trying to take a short, quick throw.
It’s really up to the flow of the game. I’ll call egregious stuff, but it all depends on the flow of the game and what the players/coaches are focused on/complaining on.
If your coach wants to constantly complain about throw ins, you best believe imma call it on every single infraction and especially on your team when they mess up.
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Post by Formerhcpops on Jan 22, 2022 22:21:18 GMT -6
Thank you. These last two grown-up responses are reasonable, cogent, and responsible. Thank you. If only...
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Post by futbolfootball on Jan 22, 2022 23:06:31 GMT -6
Thank you. These last two grown-up responses are reasonable, cogent, and responsible. Thank you. If only... You got your answers. Don’t be that person. No need to be passive aggressive or immature in response to something that made you upset. Especially on a forum. |
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Post by Formerhcpops on Jan 23, 2022 10:09:06 GMT -6
Thank you. These last two grown-up responses are reasonable, cogent, and responsible. Thank you. If only... You got your answers. Don’t be that person. No need to be passive aggressive or immature in response to something that made you upset. Especially on a forum. Aw, I'm not upset. I just didn't realize this was a personal advice column. But, since we're doling it out, there's no need to be humorless and overly sensitive. Especially on a forum in which you have the opportunity to educate. Trust me, there's lots of confusion around throw-ins. My 16 year old wants to become a ref and we talk about these kinds of things. As a player, he never knows what's good or bad with throw-ins because enforcement seems to be all over the map. There's no need to take that as an insult, it should be an opportunity to clarify or even just share the guidance you guys discuss. He helps with little kid games sometimes and he wants to impart the correct instruction. But, you know what? Put all of that aside. I just want you to go have a wonderful day! Seriously, but not without humor. |
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Post by happyjack on Jan 24, 2022 8:18:35 GMT -6
Hcpops: I have a question and need help
Also hcpops: but I reserve the right to ridicule your answer if it doesn’t meet my preconceived notion of what the answer should be
Also also hcpops: if I ridicule your response you’re just immature and should grow up
Also also also hcpops: I’ve done all of the above but it’s all clean fun as I’m asking for little hcpops JR who is just 16 and confused
Also also also also hcpops: oh you guys…
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Post by firebruin on Jan 24, 2022 11:33:02 GMT -6
I call it if the ball doesn't at least go over some portion of the player's head. I also give some leeway of 2-5 yards as well.
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Post by Formerhcpops on Jan 29, 2022 7:57:06 GMT -6
Hcpops: I have a question and need help Also hcpops: but I reserve the right to ridicule your answer if it doesn’t meet my preconceived notion of what the answer should be Also also hcpops: if I ridicule your response you’re just immature and should grow up Also also also hcpops: I’ve done all of the above but it’s all clean fun as I’m asking for little hcpops JR who is just 16 and confused Also also also also hcpops: oh you guys… Oh, Happy, thanks for that analysis. So level-headed and charitable, I'm smarter now. Thank you for that. |
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