Intentional pass back to GK

[kahnman]

Does the pass need to be intended for the GK the entire time for this to be a violation? If a defender plays a ball deliberately (to use a word from LOTG) towards his own goal, and directed at a defender, and said defender moves out of the way, can the GK now pick up the ball because the initial pass was not meant for him?

[time2retire]

Use the “iron triangle”
Deliberate (most subjective) - it must be deliberately passed to the goalkeeper
Direct - it must be straight to him and no other touch along the way
With the foot - which to me means ankle down, any other part is not part of the foot. So off the shin, knee, thigh, chest, head are all fair game.
Touched with his hand - goalkeeper must touch with his hand to complete the iron triangle

There are certain elements of passback that are legal in IFAB/club that are not (yet) in school soccer. I prefer not to discuss those here for the sake of not confusing the few people who look here.

A simple litmus test - are they putting the ball there deliberately for the goalkeeper to make a play?


For me, there is a deliberate pass with the foot that is direct and the goalkeeper touches it with his hand. By the strict interpretation this can be called a pass back.

Not to be confused with a deliberate play by a defender that can negate offside

[Skippers]

One outside back switching it to the other outside back. The keeper grabs it mid flight. Pass back? Was it directly to keeper? Was it intended or deliberate to the keeper?

I say no pass back. Please correct me if wrong.

[premier]

Jan 4, 2023 14:06:54 GMT -6 Skippers said:

One outside back switching it to the other outside back. The keeper grabs it mid flight. Pass back? Was it directly to keeper? Was it intended or deliberate to the keeper?

I say no pass back. Please correct me if wrong.

That's........a very interesting scenario. If the cross didn't go straight to the keeper and they had to move towards the cross to intercept, I probably wouldn't call it. Guarantee I'd have to explain it to the opposing coach though...lol

[sissoko]

The language on this one is a bit confusing, especially since “deliberately kicked” is interpreted differently when offside is being determined. Given the interpretation below, I think it’d be better written as “deliberately kicked to (and intended for) the goalkeeper.” It’s been hard to find further clarification on the language, but here’s a somewhat recent post by the IFAB on Facebook regarding these situations-

m.facebook.com/theifab/photos/a.580627272105430/2052017748299701/?type=3


According to this post, none of the situations above would warrant a pass back to the goalkeeper. However, even the explanation on #2 is misleading, as it mentioned both “in the direction of” and “intended for the goalkeeper.”





Does NFHS handle this any differently? I haven’t found anything to suggest they would.

[OuachitaCoach]

Definitely going to exploit this by training aerial crosses in front of our own goal.

[time2retire]

If I see it being used as a tactic, I’ll probably put and end to it. One-off mistakes can and do happen.

[Skippers]

Jan 5, 2023 12:56:10 GMT -6 OuachitaCoach said:

Definitely going to exploit this by training aerial crosses in front of our own goal.

After this weekend, of course.