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Post by gallstar on Feb 18, 2024 20:46:23 GMT -6
Any reason why public schools get dominated every year? I feel like public schools are slowly rising though. Didn’t Willow beat Jesuit, tie St. Paul’s and Dutchtown? Willow isn’t a public school. They are a magnet school. Here’s the way in. It’s located in the Garden District and can draw kids from all over New Orleans: All public schools in New Orleans, including Willow School, participate in the NOLA-PS Common Application Process (NCAP). Our school, along with four other public schools in Orleans Parish, has academic admissions criteria that require a supplemental application and an admissions exam. This process is essential to evaluate the readiness of applicants for our rigorous program and is reflected in a matrix score. |
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Post by gallstar on Feb 18, 2024 20:49:36 GMT -6
is there any reason that a 250 pound man fights in a heavy weight division and a 185 pound man fights in a cruiser weight? Soccer is a game of supreme skill and requires years to perfect possibly a lifetime. Let’s look at Dutchtown? 8 club players and 3 guys that played along the way. Now let’s look at Jesuit. 30 club players and 20 more on JV. It’s not a fight or argument worth having because history is too strong. There should be four divisions. Public D-1 and Public D-2. Private D-2 and Private D-2. This year Willow vs Holy Cross and Catholic Vs Jesuit. Dutchtown Vs Neville and Bossier vs whomever. So basically club soccer = parents send their kid to private school in New Orleans and Baton Rouge it’s got a 70% shot. Possibly higher. Mandeville is the one public school that I think has a shot along with Bossier. Two opposite ends of the spectrum with regards to my reasoning. |
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Post by Formerhcpops on Feb 18, 2024 21:19:16 GMT -6
This again. The distinction is Private/Select and Public. The "select" term applies to public magnet schools like Willow and Ben Franklin that have academic admission standards above and beyond the regular public schools. In New Orleans, parents who can bear the cost of private school do so for myriad reasons like legacy, religion, all boy/girl preference, college consderation, style points, whatever. Those parents typically can or find a way to drop the coin for club soccer, too. The selects like Willow and Ben Franklin are in the same boat but with motivated, smart kids with parents who go to the trouble of jumping through the hoops to get their kids in the rarified air of excellent public education in New Orleans. Those motivated parents are also more likely to get their kids in club soccer. I'm not disparaging anyone, everyone's situation and motivation is different, I sure wish my kids went to a magnet but family legacy ruled. Don't regret it one bit but, man, I sure wish it had been free!
Separate Private/Selects from Public for state titles? I hope it never happens but I get the argument. Carry on.
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Post by retired_thibodaux_coach on Feb 19, 2024 8:40:24 GMT -6
LHSAA already splits up championships for other sports (non-select & select). And one could argue that soccer needs the "split" more than the sports that received it. It should be an all or none deal either way.
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Post by gallstar on Feb 19, 2024 14:41:49 GMT -6
LHSAA already splits up championships for other sports (non-select & select). And one could argue that soccer needs the "split" more than the sports that received it. It should be an all or none deal either way. like your position but I think Soccer is too small to have 8 flights. I think 2-3 public and 2-private. Just my thoughts. Louisiana is one of the only states that doesn’t break them up as well. |
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Post by jellymybiscuit on Feb 19, 2024 20:37:45 GMT -6
LHSAA already splits up championships for other sports (non-select & select). And one could argue that soccer needs the "split" more than the sports that received it. It should be an all or none deal either way. like your position but I think Soccer is too small to have 8 flights. I think 2-3 public and 2-private. Just my thoughts. Louisiana is one of the only states that doesn’t break them up as well. Indoor track kind of has a system like that. Division I and 2 schools have a division and Division III and 4 schools have a division. I kind of wishes it stays the same though because having Willow and some really tiny D4 schools competing for the same championship doesn’t sound like a great idea. |
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Post by schwehmmy on Feb 19, 2024 21:07:56 GMT -6
like your position but I think Soccer is too small to have 8 flights. I think 2-3 public and 2-private. Just my thoughts. Louisiana is one of the only states that doesn’t break them up as well. Indoor track kind of has a system like that. Division I and 2 schools have a division and Division III and 4 schools have a division. I kind of wishes it stays the same though because having Willow and some really tiny D4 schools competing for the same championship doesn’t sound like a great idea. Based on school sizes, I think Willow is only about 1/3 the way down the list of privates/selects so they would likely be in the division with the larger schools. |
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Post by retired_thibodaux_coach on Feb 20, 2024 8:43:09 GMT -6
LHSAA already splits up championships for other sports (non-select & select). And one could argue that soccer needs the "split" more than the sports that received it. It should be an all or none deal either way. like your position but I think Soccer is too small to have 8 flights. I think 2-3 public and 2-private. Just my thoughts. Louisiana is one of the only states that doesn’t break them up as well. I agree 8 would be too many. I'm sure you prob remember a few years ago my stance on fixing the problem, even though it seems to be shunned and considered too complicated to implement every two years- which of course I disagree. LOL But I do understand both points for splitting and not splitting. If you want to be the best, you gotta beat the best. That's great but for many programs it's about growing the game and it's community, teaching the players the basics, learning life lessons that come with being part of a team sport, and yes, hopefully being competitive in games. No team or player really gets anything out of losing or winning 8-0. There needs to be more balance throughout all divisions for both select and non-select programs. And this goes for districts and how it's all set up as well as the playoffs. |
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Post by petemitchell on Feb 20, 2024 8:54:57 GMT -6
like your position but I think Soccer is too small to have 8 flights. I think 2-3 public and 2-private. Just my thoughts. Louisiana is one of the only states that doesn’t break them up as well. I agree 8 would be too many. I'm sure you prob remember a few years ago my stance on fixing the problem, even though it seems to be shunned and considered too complicated to implement every two years- which of course I disagree. LOL But I do understand both points for splitting and not splitting. If you want to be the best, you gotta beat the best. That's great but for many programs it's about growing the game and it's community, teaching the players the basics, learning life lessons that come with being part of a team sport, and yes, hopefully being competitive in games. No team or player really gets anything out of losing or winning 8-0. There needs to be more balance throughout all divisions for both select and non-select programs. And this goes for districts and how it's all set up as well as the playoffs. The best solution would for LHSAA to adopt a promotion/relegation system across all sports boys and girls. It’s silly that we have a system that a team can win unlimited (7 or8) championships in a row in a lower division and never move up cause they keep enrollment down on purpose all in the name of calling themselves champions. |
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Post by skenn on Feb 20, 2024 9:05:14 GMT -6
I agree 8 would be too many. I'm sure you prob remember a few years ago my stance on fixing the problem, even though it seems to be shunned and considered too complicated to implement every two years- which of course I disagree. LOL But I do understand both points for splitting and not splitting. If you want to be the best, you gotta beat the best. That's great but for many programs it's about growing the game and it's community, teaching the players the basics, learning life lessons that come with being part of a team sport, and yes, hopefully being competitive in games. No team or player really gets anything out of losing or winning 8-0. There needs to be more balance throughout all divisions for both select and non-select programs. And this goes for districts and how it's all set up as well as the playoffs. The best solution would for LHSAA to adopt a promotion/relegation system across all sports boys and girls. It’s silly that we have a system that a team can win unlimited (7 or8) championships in a row in a lower division and never move up cause they keep enrollment down on purpose all in the name of calling themselves champions. So you think schools turn away students ($$$ to their bottom line) in order to win state in soccer? |
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Post by Formerhcpops on Feb 20, 2024 9:14:59 GMT -6
I agree 8 would be too many. I'm sure you prob remember a few years ago my stance on fixing the problem, even though it seems to be shunned and considered too complicated to implement every two years- which of course I disagree. LOL But I do understand both points for splitting and not splitting. If you want to be the best, you gotta beat the best. That's great but for many programs it's about growing the game and it's community, teaching the players the basics, learning life lessons that come with being part of a team sport, and yes, hopefully being competitive in games. No team or player really gets anything out of losing or winning 8-0. There needs to be more balance throughout all divisions for both select and non-select programs. And this goes for districts and how it's all set up as well as the playoffs. The best solution would for LHSAA to adopt a promotion/relegation system across all sports boys and girls. It’s silly that we have a system that a team can win unlimited (7 or8) championships in a row in a lower division and never move up cause they keep enrollment down on purpose all in the name of calling themselves champions. Oh please... you really think ANY school cares enough about soccer (or any sport other than football) to keep enrollment down so they can win championships?! If so, I have an oceanfront airbnb in Arkansas I'll give you a deal on. Also, LHSAA doesn't know how to spell pro/rel. |
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Post by retired_thibodaux_coach on Feb 20, 2024 9:15:17 GMT -6
I agree 8 would be too many. I'm sure you prob remember a few years ago my stance on fixing the problem, even though it seems to be shunned and considered too complicated to implement every two years- which of course I disagree. LOL But I do understand both points for splitting and not splitting. If you want to be the best, you gotta beat the best. That's great but for many programs it's about growing the game and it's community, teaching the players the basics, learning life lessons that come with being part of a team sport, and yes, hopefully being competitive in games. No team or player really gets anything out of losing or winning 8-0. There needs to be more balance throughout all divisions for both select and non-select programs. And this goes for districts and how it's all set up as well as the playoffs. The best solution would for LHSAA to adopt a promotion/relegation system across all sports boys and girls. It’s silly that we have a system that a team can win unlimited (7 or8) championships in a row in a lower division and never move up cause they keep enrollment down on purpose all in the name of calling themselves champions. BINGO!... It really isn't that difficult to do, just takes a little time and effort. But like I said, it's shunned upon to bring it up. I believe a few years ago I wrote a detailed post about how LHSAA could do it. |
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Post by petemitchell on Feb 20, 2024 9:27:15 GMT -6
The best solution would for LHSAA to adopt a promotion/relegation system across all sports boys and girls. It’s silly that we have a system that a team can win unlimited (7 or8) championships in a row in a lower division and never move up cause they keep enrollment down on purpose all in the name of calling themselves champions. Oh please... you really think ANY school cares enough about soccer (or any sport other than football) to keep enrollment down so they can win championships?! If so, I have an oceanfront airbnb in Arkansas I'll give you a deal on. Also, LHSAA doesn't know how to spell pro/rel. I didn’t specify soccer. I said each individual sport could play different divisions based on success and vice versa a team could drop down if they are weak in a particular sport. Yes there are schools who like to advertise hundreds of state champions all while avoiding the big dogs of D1. |
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Post by viewgator91 on Feb 20, 2024 9:27:20 GMT -6
The best solution would for LHSAA to adopt a promotion/relegation system across all sports boys and girls. It’s silly that we have a system that a team can win unlimited (7 or8) championships in a row in a lower division and never move up cause they keep enrollment down on purpose all in the name of calling themselves champions. BINGO!... It really isn't that difficult to do, just takes a little time and effort. But like I said, it's shunned upon to bring it up. I believe a few years ago I wrote a detailed post about how LHSAA could do it. I love the idea, the only problem I have with high school pro/rel is a smaller school getting a really strong class in the 2nd flight and then getting promoted only to graduate 10+ seniors. Public is get what you get, but makes more sense on the private side where they roll out 10+ seniors every year (it seems)... |
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Post by petemitchell on Feb 20, 2024 9:43:58 GMT -6
BINGO!... It really isn't that difficult to do, just takes a little time and effort. But like I said, it's shunned upon to bring it up. I believe a few years ago I wrote a detailed post about how LHSAA could do it. I love the idea, the only problem I have with high school pro/rel is a smaller school getting a really strong class in the 2nd flight and then getting promoted only to graduate 10+ seniors. Public is get what you get, but makes more sense on the private side where they roll out 10+ seniors every year (it seems)... A few kinks would have to be worked out but it’s the only thing that makes sense. LCA will drop down next year when in reality we should let them compete in basketball and football with the big dogs and drop down in all other sports that they struggle with. |
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Post by jellymybiscuit on Feb 20, 2024 17:22:06 GMT -6
The best solution would for LHSAA to adopt a promotion/relegation system across all sports boys and girls. It’s silly that we have a system that a team can win unlimited (7 or8) championships in a row in a lower division and never move up cause they keep enrollment down on purpose all in the name of calling themselves champions. Oh please... you really think ANY school cares enough about soccer (or any sport other than football) to keep enrollment down so they can win championships?! If so, I have an oceanfront airbnb in Arkansas I'll give you a deal on. Also, LHSAA doesn't know how to spell pro/rel. I didn’t know Arkansas had oceanfront airbnbs. Im gonna just say Willow because they are technically private and get that deal. |
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