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Post by bayoutrashy on Feb 27, 2024 8:22:59 GMT -6
Not here to try to create controversy but curious to see some takes on this. What programs enter the year with high expectations and consistently disappoint. For me its Denham Springs.
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Post by viewgator91 on Feb 27, 2024 9:01:34 GMT -6
Usually a top 10 program making it 3 rounds deep into the playoffs. How is that consistently disappointing for a public school? Half an hour from a major soccer club in BRSC. Only the past 10-15 years did you had a few smaller clubs pop up and fizz out in the Livingston Parish area (Twisters and FC Galaxy). LP only added PSC (PARDS soccer club) in the past 5 or so years with mostly c2/c3 club teams... Always going to be a team with a few holes compared to the privates who have bench players that play c1 level soccer. Like most places Football/Baseball/Basketball is king so while being a larger school, Denham usually doesn't cut many kids from varsity/JV roster. A program that needs to start freshmen and sophomores almost every year.
Year RESULT (Round)
2024 #3 lost to #6 STP (3)
2023 #7 lost to #10 BRHS (2)
2022 #12 lost to #4 Alexandria (3)
2021 #5 lost to #4 Bryd (3)
2020 #2 lost to #3 Catholic (4)
2019 #5 lost to #4 STA (3)
2018 #10 lost to #15 state champ Jesuit (3)
2017 #8 lost to #9 STA (2)
2016 #7 lost to #10 Grace King (2)
2015 #7 lost to #2 Acadiana (3)
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Post by coachnyman on Feb 27, 2024 11:01:37 GMT -6
Usually a top 10 program making it 3 rounds deep into the playoffs. How is that consistently disappointing for a public school? Half an hour from a major soccer club in BRSC. Only the past 10-15 years did you had a few smaller clubs pop up and fizz out in the Livingston Parish area (Twisters and FC Galaxy). LP only added PSC (PARDS soccer club) in the past 5 or so years with mostly c2/c3 club teams... Always going to be a team with a few holes compared to the privates who have bench players that play c1 level soccer. Like most places Football/Baseball/Basketball is king so while being a larger school, Denham usually doesn't cut many kids from varsity/JV roster. A program that needs to start freshmen and sophomores almost every year. Year RESULT (Round)2024 #3 lost to #6 STP (3) 2023 #7 lost to #10 BRHS (2) 2022 #12 lost to #4 Alexandria (3) 2021 #5 lost to #4 Bryd (3) 2020 #2 lost to #3 Catholic (4) 2019 #5 lost to #4 STA (3) 2018 #10 lost to #15 state champ STP (3) 2017 #8 lost to #9 STA (2) 2016 #7 lost to #10 Grace King (2) 2015 #7 lost to #2 Acadiana (3) Agreed^. |
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Post by smoser on Feb 27, 2024 20:46:38 GMT -6
in 2018 they lost to state champs, Jesuit, not STP. I only bring that up so Instajay doesnt call me out again
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Post by viewgator91 on Feb 27, 2024 21:32:05 GMT -6
in 2018 they lost to state champs, Jesuit, not STP. I only bring that up so Instajay doesnt call me out again Good catch, updated |
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Post by coachchester on Mar 3, 2024 23:17:09 GMT -6
The jays proved me wrong this year. But the last 5 years. I would have said Jesuit and Brother Martin have both been disappointments aka over hyped. They both pull 20-25 club players each year for 8th grade. Especially Jesuit. But both have done little with the talent. No schools in the New orleans metro area pull more talent.
But again congrats to the jays. They pulled it off this year.
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Post by retired_thibodaux_coach on Mar 4, 2024 8:40:19 GMT -6
The jays proved me wrong this year. But the last 5 years. I would have said Jesuit and Brother Martin have both been disappointments aka over hyped. They both pull 20-25 club players each year for 8th grade. Especially Jesuit. But both have done little with the talent. No schools in the New orleans metro area pull more talent. But again congrats to the jays. They pulled it off this year. based off of this, it's very surprising BM hasn't had really any major success. They've played in 3 title games which seem to be back to back to back and won 2 championships ('00 & '01) and 1 runner up ('02). Without using the archives, I would have thought they would have had at least a half dozen or so appearances in title games. Still a good program, just surprising. |
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Post by gallstar on Mar 4, 2024 13:39:14 GMT -6
1) Jesuit (prior to 2024)
2) Brother Martin for the longest
3) Mandeville
4) St. Louis
5) East Ascension
My list is based on talent depth vs results.
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Post by bearwatcher on Mar 4, 2024 14:37:53 GMT -6
The jays proved me wrong this year. But the last 5 years. I would have said Jesuit and Brother Martin have both been disappointments aka over hyped. They both pull 20-25 club players each year for 8th grade. Especially Jesuit. But both have done little with the talent. No schools in the New orleans metro area pull more talent. But again congrats to the jays. They pulled it off this year. Let’s face it, the Jays got lucky this year. Catholic dominated the game and missed several point blank shots. This occurred all while Catholic’s best forward, 10, sat the entire game with a knee injury. They also benefited from Catholic’s second best goal scorer, 4 , playing on an injured hamstring. The Jays also benefited from a huge no call at the end of regulation when their two center backs killed Catholic’s 11 in the box. To their credit , they perfectly executed the set piece and took advantage of a sophomore who replaced an injured player. Other than that execution , however , Catholic’s back line and goalie locked the Jays up. |
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Post by biggerdo on Mar 4, 2024 21:36:06 GMT -6
The jays proved me wrong this year. But the last 5 years. I would have said Jesuit and Brother Martin have both been disappointments aka over hyped. They both pull 20-25 club players each year for 8th grade. Especially Jesuit. But both have done little with the talent. No schools in the New orleans metro area pull more talent. But again congrats to the jays. They pulled it off this year. Let’s face it, the Jays got lucky this year. Catholic dominated the game and missed several point blank shots. This occurred all while Catholic’s best forward, 10, sat the entire game with a knee injury. They also benefited from Catholic’s second best goal scorer, 4 , playing on an injured hamstring. The Jays also benefited from a huge no call at the end of regulation when their two center backs killed Catholic’s 11 in the box. To their credit , they perfectly executed the set piece and took advantage of a sophomore who replaced an injured player. Other than that execution , however , Catholic’s back line and goalie locked the Jays up. This is just an awful take. The fact you say Jesuit is the most overrated is truly outrageous. In the last seven years, the jays have made three state championships, winning two. Of course there have been some disappointing seasons in this time frame. But every high school soccer team experiences these seasons, it’s just a part of the game. I also recall Jesuit having a pretty incredible team in ‘21. Going undefeated in regular season but ended up losing to a st. paul’s team in the semis. I wouldn’t call that season a total disappointment, still had a very impressive team. This Catholic team was good and from what I watched, played one of their better games. However, that Jesuit team was great and certainly worthy of a state championship title. |
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Post by el_jefe on Mar 4, 2024 22:40:46 GMT -6
I don't think that it is an awful take. Catholic had all of the style points but none of the results. They certainly looked the better team for the majority of the game but didn't finish their chances and that is the most impactful part of soccer. Jesuit created fewer chances all season but made the most of them.
Both teams were talented in different ways but over 185 minutes across two games, Jesuit scored 3 and Catholic 2. In my book and the record book they were the better team.
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Post by biggerdo on Mar 4, 2024 23:06:06 GMT -6
I don't think that it is an awful take. Catholic had all of the style points but none of the results. They certainly looked the better team for the majority of the game but didn't finish their chances and that is the most impactful part of soccer. Jesuit created fewer chances all season but made the most of them. Both teams were talented in different ways but over 185 minutes across two games, Jesuit scored 3 and Catholic 2. In my book and the record book they were the better team. I can definitely agree to that. Obviously, bearswatcher, one can assume, is a Catholic fan and if i were to be a catholic fan I could certainly see how’s he thinking. When I mentioned awful take, I was more referencing how multiple people have said Jesuit as the biggest disappointment in recent years. Which in my opinion is just straight up wrong. |
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Post by coachchester on Mar 5, 2024 9:21:41 GMT -6
The jays proved me wrong this year. But the last 5 years. I would have said Jesuit and Brother Martin have both been disappointments aka over hyped. They both pull 20-25 club players each year for 8th grade. Especially Jesuit. But both have done little with the talent. No schools in the New orleans metro area pull more talent. But again congrats to the jays. They pulled it off this year. Let’s face it, the Jays got lucky this year. Catholic dominated the game and missed several point blank shots. This occurred all while Catholic’s best forward, 10, sat the entire game with a knee injury. They also benefited from Catholic’s second best goal scorer, 4 , playing on an injured hamstring. The Jays also benefited from a huge no call at the end of regulation when their two center backs killed Catholic’s 11 in the box. To their credit , they perfectly executed the set piece and took advantage of a sophomore who replaced an injured player. Other than that execution , however , Catholic’s back line and goalie locked the Jays up. Look I'm not a Jesuit guy, at all..... but still i say Hats off to them, they pulled off the W and i don't think they looked like the better team. but that Happens all the time..... whether it was luck or strategy, they got it done.... if i was going to say anyone got lucky this year..... it was HC. But again doesn't matter, sometimes winning means your team makes less mistakes.... |
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Post by coachchester on Mar 5, 2024 9:33:20 GMT -6
I don't think that it is an awful take. Catholic had all of the style points but none of the results. They certainly looked the better team for the majority of the game but didn't finish their chances and that is the most impactful part of soccer. Jesuit created fewer chances all season but made the most of them. Both teams were talented in different ways but over 185 minutes across two games, Jesuit scored 3 and Catholic 2. In my book and the record book they were the better team. I can definitely agree to that. Obviously, bearswatcher, one can assume, is a Catholic fan and if i were to be a catholic fan I could certainly see how’s he thinking. When I mentioned awful take, I was more referencing how multiple people have said Jesuit as the biggest disappointment in recent years. Which in my opinion is just straight up wrong. I agree maybe not over hyped, could be poor choice of words on my part... I just know how much talent they get every year and its crazy that this this is there 1st final in 5 years... They are over flowing with Club players. they will have 20+ club players on 8th,9th,jv and varsity. other then BM, Most other schools in NO, dont have that talent pool or depth.... Maybe my expectations for them are too high.... |
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Post by bearwatcher on Mar 5, 2024 11:24:11 GMT -6
Let’s face it, the Jays got lucky this year. Catholic dominated the game and missed several point blank shots. This occurred all while Catholic’s best forward, 10, sat the entire game with a knee injury. They also benefited from Catholic’s second best goal scorer, 4 , playing on an injured hamstring. The Jays also benefited from a huge no call at the end of regulation when their two center backs killed Catholic’s 11 in the box. To their credit , they perfectly executed the set piece and took advantage of a sophomore who replaced an injured player. Other than that execution , however , Catholic’s back line and goalie locked the Jays up. This is just an awful take. The fact you say Jesuit is the most overrated is truly outrageous. In the last seven years, the jays have made three state championships, winning two. Of course there have been some disappointing seasons in this time frame. But every high school soccer team experiences these seasons, it’s just a part of the game. I also recall Jesuit having a pretty incredible team in ‘21. Going undefeated in regular season but ended up losing to a st. paul’s team in the semis. I wouldn’t call that season a total disappointment, still had a very impressive team. This Catholic team was good and from what I watched, played one of their better games. However, that Jesuit team was great and certainly worthy of a state championship title. I didn’t state Jesuit wasn’t worthy. Anyone who wins a double overtime game earned that win. I specifically acknowledged that Jesuit executed when Catholic did not. What I stated is that Catholic put themselves in that position because of what they didn’t do. Jesuit’s play did not put them in the position to win on the golden goal. Catholic dominated that game and missed several point blank opportunities , plus had a no call in the box where Jesuit’s own defender couldn’t believe he wasn’t called. Injuries are part of the game and Jesuit clearly benefited from Catholic’s best offensive weapon not being able to play and their second best running around all game on one hamstring. Jesuit didn’t force those miscues or create them due to their play. Same thing occurred in the game earlier this season , including a phantom call in the box on Catholic and two no calls on Jesuit. Did they out score 3-2, yes. Did the win the one that counted , yes. Did they win because they played the game better, no. If the question is whether they live up to expectations, the answer should be no based upon the talent pool and club results. Using the same criteria, I think both last year and this year’s Catholic team and this year under performed. Last year’s team was better than a quarter final loss to a team they previously beat 6-0. This year’s team was the best in the state and it isn’t close. Finishing problems just happened to pop up during the wrong game and at the wrong time. It’s why this game is the beautiful game. You can win by not being the better team. It’s rare in most sports for the better team to not win. It happens often in this sport because coaching and styles and overcome a lack of talent. |
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Post by gernaldo on Mar 5, 2024 22:01:56 GMT -6
This is just an awful take. The fact you say Jesuit is the most overrated is truly outrageous. In the last seven years, the jays have made three state championships, winning two. Of course there have been some disappointing seasons in this time frame. But every high school soccer team experiences these seasons, it’s just a part of the game. I also recall Jesuit having a pretty incredible team in ‘21. Going undefeated in regular season but ended up losing to a st. paul’s team in the semis. I wouldn’t call that season a total disappointment, still had a very impressive team. This Catholic team was good and from what I watched, played one of their better games. However, that Jesuit team was great and certainly worthy of a state championship title. I didn’t state Jesuit wasn’t worthy. Anyone who wins a double overtime game earned that win. I specifically acknowledged that Jesuit executed when Catholic did not. What I stated is that Catholic put themselves in that position because of what they didn’t do. Jesuit’s play did not put them in the position to win on the golden goal. Catholic dominated that game and missed several point blank opportunities , plus had a no call in the box where Jesuit’s own defender couldn’t believe he wasn’t called. Injuries are part of the game and Jesuit clearly benefited from Catholic’s best offensive weapon not being able to play and their second best running around all game on one hamstring. Jesuit didn’t force those miscues or create them due to their play. Same thing occurred in the game earlier this season , including a phantom call in the box on Catholic and two no calls on Jesuit. Did they out score 3-2, yes. Did the win the one that counted , yes. Did they win because they played the game better, no. If the question is whether they live up to expectations, the answer should be no based upon the talent pool and club results. Using the same criteria, I think both last year and this year’s Catholic team and this year under performed. Last year’s team was better than a quarter final loss to a team they previously beat 6-0. This year’s team was the best in the state and it isn’t close. Finishing problems just happened to pop up during the wrong game and at the wrong time. It’s why this game is the beautiful game. You can win by not being the better team. It’s rare in most sports for the better team to not win. It happens often in this sport because coaching and styles and overcome a lack of talent. |
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Post by gernaldo on Mar 5, 2024 22:04:03 GMT -6
Or lack of coaching overcomes a plethora of talent?
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Post by bearwatcher on Mar 11, 2024 13:42:28 GMT -6
Or lack of coaching overcomes a plethora of talent? Trying to avoid making that statement, but can’t disagree. There is more to coaching that teaching players how to execute a style of play. Clearly teaching a style of play. |
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Post by bearwatcher on Mar 11, 2024 13:47:37 GMT -6
Or lack of coaching overcomes a plethora of talent? Trying to avoid making that statement, but can’t disagree. There is more to coaching that teaching players how to execute a style of play. Clearly teaching a style of play. And note that I was ridiculed last year when I correctly predicted 6 weeks ahead that Catholic would not make it past the quarters. I am no soothsayer nor a soccer coach, but have coached sports enough to recognize obvious issues. There are aspects of coaching that are common from sport to sport. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2024 8:32:23 GMT -6
Mandeville High's last five years:
5 seed; 2023-24: 0-1 1st Round Loss To No. 28 Alexandria
3 seed; 2022-23: 2-1 Win vs. No. 30 Ponchatoula in PKs; 1-0 Win vs. Lafayette; 2-1 Win vs. Jesuit
20 seed; 2021-22: 6-2 Loss To Captain Shreve 1st round
12 seed; 2020-21: 4-2 Win in 1st Round to Zachary; 4-0 Lopss to Denham Springs
10 seed; 2019-20: 3-2 1st Round Loss to Captain Shreve
2 home 1st Round Losses
Goal Difference: -5
1 win against higher seed
Best year: 2022-23 when they almost lost 1st Round to Ponchatoula in Pks.
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